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whosinpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 06:22 PM
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What makes a "rogue nation"?
Went to the dictionary to define "rogue".....

It is listed as an adjective - Operating outside normal or desirable controls: How could a single rogue trader bring down an otherwise profitable and well-regarded institution? (Saul Hansell)

Here is a newssnip from Yahoo....

Legal Challenges, Terrorism Threaten U.S.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=542&nci...

snip - WASHINGTON - America's strength is being challenged by "a strategy of the weak," a Pentagon (news - web sites) document says, listing diplomatic and legal challenges in international forums in the same sentence with terrorism.

snip - "Our strength as a nation state will continue to be challenged by those who employ a strategy of the weak focusing on international fora, judicial processes and terrorism," it says. It does not go into detail.


Asked about the statement, Douglas Feith, the No. 3 official at the Pentagon, said during a news conference, "There are various actors around the world that are looking to either attack or constrain the United States, and they are going to find creative ways of doing that, that are not the obvious conventional military attacks."


snip - Feith, the outgoing undersecretary of defense for policy, denied the reference would include a detainee at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, suing the U.S. government for his freedom. He said it was meant to note "the arguments that some people make to try to, in effect, criminalize foreign policy and bring prosecutions where there is no proper basis for jurisdiction under international law as a way of trying to pressure American officials."



So - any attempt to constrain the might of the USA is seen as an attack - just as bad as terrorism....even if there is legal precident. That is my take on this. Might=right. Laws be damned.
What a sad day.....comments anyone?
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 06:22 PM
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1. GWB in charge?
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name not needed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 06:24 PM
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2. ** can't pronounce the name?
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pnutchuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 06:45 PM
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3. I watched an interview with delegates from different countries
on BBC just after Bush gave his "diplomatic alternatives" speech regarding Iran and Israel on his European tour. The Green Party delegate from the UK told the panel that the US should be considered a "rogue" nation by the EU.

The Hitler and Nazi Germany comparison is not new on the DU however, I think, for some, it seems a bit over the top or out of context no matter how real the similarities may be. I think rogue is a better fit and can be easier assimilated by those straddling the fence of hostilities with this administration.
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hector459 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 06:53 PM
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4. I dunno, but it seems to me that the US and Israel fit the bill:
Abide by no law except the one you make and change to fit your agenda.

Define all opposition as evil.

Lie relentlessly to your citizens and cover with even bigger lies.

Make rules and demand that eveyone else follow those rules while you break them.

Attack and/or invade sovereign nations, unprovoked, and call it spreading democracy or self-defense.

Never apoplgize, never admit mistakes, and always disrespect all world leaders unless it's in your best interest to be nice.

Keep your populace in a state of constant fear and hate mongering of whoever you decide should be the enemy.

On further reflection, N. Korea might fit this bill as well.
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pnutchuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 07:43 PM
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5. But but
Edited on Sat Mar-19-05 07:44 PM by pnutchuck
they're Communists! :scared:

edit: spelling
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-19-05 07:49 PM
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6. The Nuremberg principle will apply whether the like it or not...
in the end.

Just saying you are beyond the law doesn't make it so.
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