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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 04:13 PM
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Is the Christian Right subverting our government?
Yes or No.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 04:14 PM
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1. does the sun rise in the morning? (nmi)
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 04:16 PM
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2. Does The Earth Revolve Around The Sun?
eom
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cdb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 04:17 PM
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4. Absolutely.
Positively. Yes. They have been since Billy Graham prayed with Nixon.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 04:19 PM
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5. According to some RWer's, no. n/t
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 04:16 PM
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3. Their goal is to replace
the constitution with the bible. I don't know if that answers your question but it is a prime example of their gross ignorance. No institution in this country benefits more from our constitution than organized religion and they want to destroy that document as they merrily hate in the name of Jesus.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 04:21 PM
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6. Does a Bear Shit in the Woods?
Although, in truth it is not them, exactly. They are merely handmaidens for the anti-Christ.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 04:29 PM
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7. a rhetorical question, eh?
n/t
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prodigal_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 04:29 PM
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8. decide for yourself
from the horse's ass, er, I mean mouth: http://www.jprcc.org/
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The mission of JPRCC is to provide timely, relevant information and resources for the Americanist Christian community. As Christians, God has given us the responsibility to take dominion over every area of life; theology, politics education, economics, business, law, etc..

We believe that Christian Reconstruction and Calvinism provide the clearest view of scripture and are the closest to the theology of our Founding Fathers. However, as our Founding Fathers understood, preaching "good" theology is not enough to preserve freedom. Christians must take responsible action.

Present concerns to Christians and threats to our freedoms include Pelagian theology, regionalized government, the United Nations, liberal / socialist legislation and their proponents.




some analysis: http://www.religioustolerance.org/reconstr.htm
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Its most common form, Dominionism, represents one of the most extreme forms of Fundamentalist Christianity thought. Its followers, called Dominionists, are attempting to peacefully convert the laws of United States so that they match those of the Hebrew Scriptures. They intend to achieve this by using the freedom of religion in the US to train a generation of children in private Christian religious schools. Later, their graduates will be charged with the responsibility of creating a new Bible-based political, religious and social order. One of the first tasks of this order will be to eliminate religious choice and freedom. Their eventual goal is to achieve the "Kingdom of God" in which much of the world is converted to Christianity. They feel that the power of God's word will bring about this conversion. No armed force or insurrection will be needed; in fact, they believe that there will be little opposition to their plan. People will willingly accept it. All that needs to be done is to properly explain it to them.

All religious organizations, congregations etc. other than strictly Fundamentalist Christianity would be suppressed. Nonconforming Evangelical, main line and liberal Christian religious institutions would no longer be allowed to hold services, organize, proselytize, etc. Society would revert to the laws and punishments of the Hebrew Scriptures. Any person who advocated or practiced other religious beliefs outside of their home would be tried for idolatry and executed. Blasphemy, adultery and homosexual behavior would be criminalized; those found guilty would also be executed. At that time that this essay was originally written, this was the only religious movement in North America of which we were aware which advocates genocide for followers of minority religions and non-conforming members of their own religion. Since then, we have learned of two conservative Christian pastors in Texas who have advocated the execution of all Wiccans. Ralph Reed, the executive director of the conservative public policy group the Christian Coalition has criticized Reconstructionism as "an authoritarian ideology that threatens the most basic civil liberties of a free and democratic society."

Leading writers in the movement are:

Greg L. Bahnsen of the Southern California Center for Christian Studies.
David Chilton. He adopted hyper-preterism, (a.k.a. full or complete perterism) a particular belief about end time events. He was basically ostracized from the Christian Reconstruction camp afterwards.
Gary DeMar.
Kenneth L. Gentry, Jr.
Gary North of the Institute for Christian Economics. He is a prolific author.
Larry Pratt: head of the Gun Owners of America and English First, a group opposed to non-English speaking immigrants and bilingual education. Author of "Armed People Victorious" which documents Guatemalan and Philippine militias and para-military death squads. He was campaign co-chair of the Buchanan presidential campaign in 1996.
John Quade.
Rousas John Rushdoony of the Chalcedon Foundation is often considered the founder of Christian Reconstructionism. Author of Institutes of Biblical Law.
Rev. Andrew Sandlin.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 04:33 PM
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9. The Christian Right is just a front used by fascists to con believers...
into voting against their own interests. None of them give a damn about any of the crap they harp on, whether it's abortion or gays - they don't REALLY care.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 04:34 PM
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10. All corporate interests are subverting our government.
The "Christian" right are no exception.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 04:43 PM
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11. My brother-in-law is a fundy preacher in SC. Big Bu$h supporter, too.
He started ranting at my wife about taxes last week. He believes that there should be no direct taxes for public education unless parents can divert their tax burden to their Christian schools and home-schooling. In fact, he believes that you shouldn't have to pay taxes for something you don't use or support.

My wife pulled the rug out from under him by pointing out our strong opposition to the still off-the-books $280-billion+ of our tax dollars that have gone to the Bu$hboy's war. "Can we opt out of that tax?" my wife asked him.

So the answer is YES! With lunatics like him in the pulpit preaching the gospel according to George Bu$h (War, War, and More War) our government is indeed being subverted. But that is part of Rove's plan. Too bad these fundy preachers aren't smart enough to realize that they are: 1. Being played like a drum by Rove and Bu$h, and; 2. Straying so far from the teachings of Jesus Christ that it borders on blasphemy.

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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 04:47 PM
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12. Is rain wet?
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 04:47 PM
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13. No. Big Money is subverting our government.
Christian fundamentalism is just one of the tools it uses to make us enjoy kneeling.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 05:06 PM
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14. They've done more than their share of subversion.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 05:10 PM
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15. Yes.
The Dominionists and/or Christian Reconstructionists definitely want to remake the country into their own Calvinist version of Old Testament days.

Your garden variety Fundamentalist and/or Evangelical does not necessarily follow that belief, but some have gotten sucked in. (I remember when Southern Baptists avoided politics. They ended that policy about the time of the "Christian" takeover of the Texas Republican Party--just before Shrub "got saved".)

Jesus save us from these hypocrits.
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kweerwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-05 08:41 PM
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16. The "christian right" is to religion ...
... what a paint-by-number set is to the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel.
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