My finger on the pulse of the black community, re: Nichols

[CatWoman]

when I went to pick up lunch, I tuned in to the local Black talk radio station.

A lot of people were calling in to defend him, and blame whites and racism.

Things I learned about Nichols:

* had a 13 year-old-daughter whom he hasn't seen or been in contact with in over 7 years.

* drove a brand new BMW.

* college educated, and football star in college.

* had a six figure income.

* had a baby born with a girl he had a fling with. The child was born just this past weekend.

* cheated on his girlfriend of 7 years with the woman who just had the child.

* much speculation that the "spurned" girlfriend of 7 years lied about him raping her to get back at him for cheating.

OK. I'm trying to absorb all of this.

But in the meantime, I want to say that nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, justifies this man killing those four innocent people.

He planned to kill even more -- a list was found in his pocket containing names of the relatives of girlfriend who yelled rape and the prosecutor.

This man led a charmed, successful life. I can't imagine why in the world he didn't support his daughter, or try to play a role in her life.

Obviously he melted down, but when he went to allocate blame, he should have started with the man in the mirror.

[Binka]

1. Narcissistic Sociopath

http://home.datawest.net/esn-recovery/artcls/socio.htm

[ultraist]

27. Possibly

But a psychologist on another thread suggested schizophrenia. He did have some sort of melt down/episode. Schizophrenics have episodes. Sociopaths don't just snap.

It's impossible to arm chair diagnose without more of his history. It will be interesting to see what comes out during the trial. They are going to do a psych eval. Legal insanity has already been mentioned. Sociopaths don't qualify for legal insanity because they understand the consequences of their actions. With some other mental conditions/disorders, the person does not understand the consequences of their actions.

The hit list will probably disqualify him for legal insanity though, unless, they can show he was delusional. His "I'm a soldier" remark, may indicate he was.

There was a schizophrenic in our HS who had episodes similiar to what this guy did, whenever he was under a lot of stress or got off his meds. He didn't actually kill anyone, but was found open firing a gun on an empty beach and other weird behaviors.

[johnnie]

2. Melted down?

He was caught with two knives a few days before the shootings. He was trying to get them into the court room.
This guy was just an asshole who did not want to give up his "charmed" life, so he decided that killing people and trying to get away was the right thing to do.
I don't buy the fact that he "snapped", he is just a criminal who is full of self-importance.

[CatWoman]

3. Yes, I think he did "melt down"

for lack of a better phrase.

[Pirate Smile]

6. He was obviously reachable because the hostage did reach him

and he calmed down and surrendered.

The difference - hopefully he will get life in prison instead of the death penalty. He is obviously going to jail for the rest of his life (at least).

It sounds like he had two sides to him. Some people said he was scary and intimidating, others said he was a good person, hard working, etc.

I think he showed both sides pretty clearly during the whole tragedy and by its conclusion.

[leftynyc]

36. This is in Georgia - he's going to die

That's why my mouth dropped to the ground when I heard he surrendered. No way do they give him life in jail.

[LisaL]

44. I heard the DA said he isn't even sure he will ask for the death

penalty.

[Binka]

Cat He Is A Narcissistic Sociopath IMHO

When he GOT EXPOSED for being the heartless fraud he has always been his masked slipped enough for others to finally go "AHA!"

NS make REALLLLLY bad choices when confronted and they are wont to act impulsively and with impunity. He has been a fucker for a long time YMMV but I have BIG TIME experience with someone much like this asstard.

Read this link. http://home.datawest.net/esn-recovery/artcls/socio.htm

[CatWoman]

8. thanks, Binka

agree 100 percent :thumbsup:

[Bunny]

4. It's an interesting study in sociopathy, if that's the correct word.

Sounds like the guy had everything going for him, and then flipped (when he took his girlfriend hostage, if he did that). Went way over the edge last week.

Scott Peterson was another one who appeared to have every advantage, and then kills his pregnant wife and dumps her in the bay.

Does the black community have any opinion on his connection to Ashley Smith? Do they think he may have known her beforehand, etc.?

[CatWoman]

5. nothing that I heard so far

however, the commentator kept questioning why, when she saw him parked in front of her house at 2 a.m., did she not try to alert someone or better protect herself -- especially since she had her cell phone with her.

It does seem rather odd, doesn't it?

I wonder if she did know him?

[Pirate Smile]

9. She has had some problems also and I think that helped her

relate to him and why he listened to her.

She doesn't have custody of her kid. She isn't a saint but is obviously a good, kind person who could relate to someone doing things they regret.

I don't know any of the specifics.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

10. That was the first thing I thought about...

when I heard the reports that he'd allegedly held a woman hostage when she left her house at 2:00am to go to the store. Did they know each other? Don't know why it hit me, but it did...

[blm]

7. Sounds like a duped BFEE op to me...ala Hinckley and the "sniper" killer.

.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. I Think His Victims Were African American Except The Judge..

And the woman he allegedly raped was African American....


Given those facts why would any African American defend him...

[Bunny]

12. The Court Reporter was white, the guy he carjacked was white,

the Customs Agent was white.

[LisaL]

14. The deputy he killed was black. The female deputy he beat

up was black.

[Bunny]

22. Yeah, I know. Your point was?

[LisaL]

23. My point is, why do black people call in to defend him, when

his victims were black as well?

[CatWoman]

25. and look at how he treated the Black women in his life..........

[Bunny]

26. And I was responding to Post #11, which said that all the victims

were black, except the judge.

I don't know why anyone is defending him, or attacking him, for race reasons anyway. It really doesn't seem to be a racial crime.

[CatWoman]

15. portraits of those who were slain

that's the judge in the middle.

I think the court reporter on the left.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. The Guy On The Right Was African American...

I think the person in the hospital who he shot was African American...


I look forward to the day when we all see right and wrong; not black and white...

[LisaL]

21. The guy on the right is the male deputy he killed.

The lady in the hospital he beat up is also black. She is the female deputy that was escorting him to court.

[Tomee450]

41. I heard that the woman he

allegedly raped was white and that he was known to have had relationships with other white women. Who knows. Rumors are flying. More and more people are saying that he probably knew the woman who turned him in.

[mongo]

13. I don't condone nichols' actions, but I do have some compassion

for the guy. Yeah, he melted down.

There but for the grace of God, go I and all that.

Ashley Simpson is a hero - I'm sure when he fled the courthouse his plan was suicide by cop. I'm glad she was able to bring him to a place where he could face his actions.

I think there are a lot of people in this world that are only one real or perceived injustice away from snapping.

[LisaL]

16. If his plan was suicide by a cop, why did he flee in the first place?

I doubt his plan was to die-he wanted to kill other people, not to die himself.

[CatWoman]

17. agreed -- like I said there was a "hit list" found in his pocket

[LisaL]

20. Relatives of his ex-girlfriend?

He seems like an extremely vindictive person.

[kittenpants]

28. Is Ashley Simpson really your hero? Please say you meant Ashley Smith?

[mongo]

30. oops - yeah

fingers faster than brain... God I hope that was NOT a freudian slip!

[Catherine Vincent]

19. "...he should have started with the man in the mirror."

So true. He did not have to kill those innocent people.:-(

[DinahMoeHum]

24. Re items 2,3 and 4. . .what a waste. All that going for him. . .

and he threw it into the toilet because he basically let the little head do the thinking for the big one.


:hangover:

[johnnie]

29. Rape isn't about the "little head"

I have compassion for this man as another human being, but everything points to the fact that this guy is a criminal. It seems like a lot of people are making excuses for him.
I don't want him on death row, but I won't defend him by saying he "snapped". It is pretty clear to me that this guy didn't want to pay for his crimes and he was out to save his own ass.
He has ego issues and doesn't seem to want to play by the rules. His woman breaks up with him so he goes over there and rapes and beats her. I'm sure you can come up with some psychiatric mumbo jumbo for it, but I call him an asshole.
And this isn't really directed at you DinahMoe, just the "little head" thing. :)

[DinahMoeHum]

33. I'm not defending this fool. And this ain't "psychiatric mumbo jumbo"

- whatever that means.

AFAIAC, rape is about showing power and ego over another person.

That's what "letting the little head doing the thinking for the big head" means.

That asshole has done too much thinking with his cock instead of his head and heart for a long time - and he's gotten himself into deep shit as a result. What has happened a few days ago is the final act in a tragedy.

:hangover:

[johnnie]

34. Of course rape is a power trip

That's what I said. You are the one who said it was about his cock (as in a sex act), I think it is an ego problem.
What does AFAIAC mean?
And as I stated, the "psychiatric mumbo jumbo" wasn't directed at you. You claimed it was him thinking with his cock, others were saying he has all these other "mental" problems. That's who I was directing the mumbo jumbo stuff to.

[amazona]

35. AFAIAC = As Far As I Am Concerned

.

The conservation movement is a breeding ground of communists
and other subversives. We intend to clean them out,
even if it means rounding up every birdwatcher in the country.
--John Mitchell, US Attorney General 1969-72

[johnnie]

37. Ahhh

Thank you.

[Tomee450]

31. I believe the man snapped

but of course he will still have to pay in some way for his crimes. Over the years I've become rather cynical. I don't readily believe everything I hear. Did this info come directly from the police or is it a rumor? Are they just now discovering the hit list and if so, given all that has happened, why didn't they check his cell earlier. Also, isn't it strange that a man supposedly as smart as this man would have a hit list in his cell where the police could easily find it? Why would he need to have a list of all those people? He knew all of them, knew where they could be reached. Did he keep a list because he thought he would forget who was to be killed? I wonder if this is really true, if this really came from the police. It just seems quite odd that he would actually keep a hit list in his cell or on his person. If it's true, maybe he had already started going nuts.

I guess I've become a cynic. Something does not feel right about this story. I felt the same way about the woman who turned him in. Something not right.

[CatWoman]

32. from today's AJC

Info on list:

After Friday morning's deadly rampage at the Fulton County Courthouse, law enforcement officials found a handwritten list of names in Brian G. Nichols' jail cell and placed some of the people into protective custody, prosecutors said.

Ash Joshi, who was helping prosecute Nichols on charges that he raped his ex-girlfriend and held her hostage, said the list included the woman's relatives and a boyfriend. Some had stars beside them.

On the first page was written the names of Nichols' friends and his attorney, Barry Hazen. Joshi said it appeared to be nothing more than a contact list. Prosecutors shared the list with FBI agents in an effort to anticipate where Nichols might be hiding, or heading.

On another page were written other names, including Barnes, the judge in Nichols' trial; Nichols' boss, who testified against him during the retrial; and the lead prosecutor, Gayle Abramson.

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/metro/atlanta/0305/16courtmain.html

[Tomee450]

40. Thanks.

I'm surprised to hear that Nichol's employer testified against him. I watched his attorney for the rape case say that his employer had said Nichols was a good employee who was always on time.

[bin.dare]

43. is it possible that one of the names on the list lived at ...

... the apartment complex? do we know how long he was parked in the lot before meeting ashley?

[LisaL]

39. Something doesn't feel right?

Something doesn't feel right? Well, sorry, that's not gonna cut it. As for Ashley Smith, there is not a shred of actual evidence that she made anything up. The fact that somebody feels "something is not right" just doesn't amount to anything.

[Midlodemocrat]

38. Well said, CatWoman.

[CatWoman]

42. WOW!!!!

A compliment from a mod!!!!!

hot damn!!!!

:hi: