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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 08:11 PM
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Peak Oil presentation in House on CSPAN live
Roscoe Bartlett - R Maryland.
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NEOBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 08:17 PM
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1. Lemme guess. It's by a Repug, so the talk is about abiotic oil.
They still don't get it.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 08:19 PM
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2. I've never heard that term
but the pug was basically pputting the facts out there, as I understand them
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 08:25 PM
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3. It's a "Theory" that Oil is NOT a fossil fuel...
but created in a process of geology. Of course these theorists fail to explain why fields here in the United States have been declining for the past 30 years, stuff like that.
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:08 PM
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5. My Standard Response: If Abiotic Oil Theory Is Valid, Why Are We
not finding any of this oil.

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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:12 PM
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6. Allah hates us? (plus a serious comment)
:shrug: :eyes:

If it's declining, it's not abiotic.

It may not be a fossil fuel, but it ain't a bottomless well. We should have learned that 25 years ago... we started to... but then Reagan told us that other forms of energy were obsolete and that ketchup is a vegetable. I hope his bones rot slowly and the worms feast for millenia on what's left of his impotent brain.
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:54 PM
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10. Thats About It. They Can Call It Anything They Want
It still doesn't change the fact that we are near the peak rate of supply.

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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:20 PM
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12. True...
though I would say that the nail in the coffin for this theory is the fact that oil is a complex-chain of hydrocarbons, and as far as I'm aware of, they can only be formed by the breakdown of life forms, hence the Fossil in Fossil Fuel. Recreating the conditions of this breakdown in the lab, scientist have been able to synthesize oil, I have yet to hear about oil being formed without the organic compounds present.
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ochazuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 08:51 PM
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4. Faith-based geology
They'd probably say the same thing about coal except for all those fossil ferns mixed in with it.

On the other hand, that doesn't stop people from saying the reason fossil shells are on mountain tops is the Great Flood.
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dsewell Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:15 PM
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7. No, and they need more Republicans capable of thinking like this
Edited on Mon Mar-14-05 09:16 PM by dsewell
Although I live next door in Virginia, this was my first exposure to Congressman Bartlett. He knows his stuff: both the economics and the science of energy. He thinks CO2 might just have something to do with global warming, and he's a strong supporter of research and investment in renewable energy sources.

He seems to be one of those Republicans that Garrison Keillor is talking about when he says that they don't make Republicans like that any more. He was speaking to an audience of pretty much one, his colleague from MD. (Though a quick skim of his website shows he's fashionably far to the right on gun laws and "protect the family" legislation.)
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:22 PM
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8. Bartlett? Wonder if he could be any relation to this other Bartlett.
Edited on Mon Mar-14-05 10:00 PM by JohnyCanuck
That's Professor Al Bartlett of the University of Colorado in Boulder.


Professor Al Bartlett's lecture on exponential growth and the effect on oil depletion and resource consumption:

Apple Quick Time (MP 4)
http://news.globalfreepress.com/movs/Al_Bartlett-PeakOil.mp4

Real Player Version
http://edison.ncssm.edu/programs/colloquia/bartlett.ram


In addition to Professor Bartlett's very illuminating lecture, here are some other online videos dealing with Peak Oil

Edited version of documentary End of Suburbia (24min)

Apple Quick Time (.mov)
http://911busters.com/video/IQ1_20_END_OF_SUBURBIA_VIDEO_24.2_.mov

Windows Media Player (.wmv)
http://911busters.com/video/IQ1_20_END_OF_SUBURBIA_VIDEO_24.2_.wmv

End of Suburbia is also available for rent at Netflix
http://www.netflix.com/MovieDisplay?trkid=73&movieid=70022083


Dr David Goodstein Author of "Out of Gas: The End Of The Age Of Oil"
lecture at Caltech:

Streaming Real Media

56K - http://today.caltech.edu/theater/5602_56k.ram

Medium Broadband - http://today.caltech.edu/theater/5602_bb.ram

Full Cable/DSL - http://today.caltech.edu/theater/5602_cable.ram

Lecture Page Link Here:
http://today.caltech.edu/theater/list?subset=science

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NEOBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 10:04 PM
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11. That's refreshing to hear. n/t
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Nordmadr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-14-05 09:28 PM
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9. I couldn't believe what I was watching.
Edited on Mon Mar-14-05 09:29 PM by olafvikingr
but it is true, two Republican House Representatives from Maryland were just openly discussing and presenting issues related to peak oil (well, not much geopolitcally but...hey). We need more of this.

Olaf
Edited for spelling
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