Atlanta hostage: "He'd killed, BECAUSE HE'S A SOLDIER "

[diamond14]

Had the Atlanta 'suspect' done military service? The hostage-heroine spent 7 hours with this guy, and the man told her: 'He'd killed, BECAUSE he's a SOLDIER'....




here' s the video where the statement was made....

http://video.msn.com/video/p.htm?t=1&p=Source_Today%20Show&i=cb7e3f6c-413b-44cc-b5fe-a5c0251f7fb0&rf=


On this page, the video is about half way down page: called "Charges Pending"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7157845/

[Mistress Quickly]

1. I thought he considered himself a warrior? eom

[sallydallas124]

2. soldier

I don't think he was being literal. I think he meant soldier in the way it's used in hip hop - soldier meaning he's a fighter, tough, won't back down, etc.

[alcibiades_mystery]

4. Correct

n/t

[liberalitch]

22. That's how I understood it.....

well, soldier.... the state of georgia is about to excute you for "war crimes"

So many of my kids are on this path..... they saw this guy as a role model.
This why I really hate the whole hip hop culture....
I KNOW that many of you will say this is a racist stance, but I feel this way BECAUSE i love all of my students.

[alcibiades_mystery]

3. Maybe not

"Soldier" currently has a specific meaning in African American vernacular that has nothing to do with the military (witness the Destiny's Child song "Soldier" http://www.lyricstop.com/s/soldier-destinyschildft.i.lilwayne.html )

[Catherine Vincent]

5. Oh yeah, well this "soldier" is going to prison.

For a long time.

[diamond14]

6. he's the right age for serving in Gulf War I (today, he's 33 years old)

he would have been 18 years old in 1990....


searching various news articles about his life, there is a BIG MISSING part around the time of the first Gulf War...


he was raised in a middle-class neighborhood in Baltimore Maryland...attended Catholic schools (hostage talked to him about God)....

somehow, he ended up in 1993-94 on the football team at a college in the South....but in between high school and entry to college, I can't find anything....military service? just asking....IMO, main-stream-media should be looking at this guy's life experiences, to determine how he got to this point....a better understanding could help prevent crimes...

my fear is that MSM will only look at THAT courthouse and the security deficiencies, rather than look at the sociological issues that create criminals, so we can work to solve these problems ON A BIG LEVEL....

[underpants]

8. No no military experience

How should I put this? I expect that he was either in a manic episode (see the post below this) or it is some sort of black militancy thing. One other possiblity is video games-his lawyer in the rape case (Hazen) said Nichols was a heavy dope smoker, maybe he got high a lot and played military video games and had convinced himself that he was a soldier.

My last (read CYA) possibility is that he was exhausted OR he wanted her to think he was ex-military.

[diamond14]

11. do you have any info about what he was doing during 1990-1992?

I haven't read anything about what the 'suspect' was doing during those years....


of course, there's a lot of speculation that he was on drugs, or manic depressive, etc., etc.....but that's just pure speculation...


my post linked to a video interview, from the hostage...so we KNOW that 'He KILLED because he's a SOLDIER'....

it brings the question: was he in the MILITARY?

obviously, he knew how to use a gun....

[fat free goodness]

12. No, we don't know this.

re: "my post linked to a video interview, from the hostage...so we KNOW that 'He KILLED because he's a SOLDIER'...."

All we know is what he said. This may have no relation to even his reality, much less to ours.

[underpants]

15. Hazen, his lawyer in the rape trial, said he had NO MILITARY EXPERIENCE

At least none that he had seen and he both knew just about everything about the guy and had spent considerable time with Nichols.

Repeat after me : NO MILITARY EXPERIENCE

[underpants]

16. Second video link here

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032633/?ta=y

[diamond14]

19. there's nothing further in that video about his military service...nothing

do you have a link to information about what the suspect was doing from 1990-1992?

[underpants]

25. Sorry the sound isn't working on that link for me

The only other information I have (no link) is what I HEARD okay?

NO MILITARY EXPERIENCE got it yet? Good grief

[diamond14]

17. link? could you post a LINK to that information? thanks....

links are GOOD....

:hi:

[fat free goodness]

27. ?? I am not the one saying he has military exp.

My point was that the only thing implying military experience is the murderers use of the phrase "I'm a soldier".
We may state with confidence he is a liar.
We may reasonably assume he is insane.
We have no idea if he even meant "soldier" in the military sense.

A vague comment by a lying, possibly delusional, murderer is not credible.

[diamond14]

30. just looking for a link to your remarks about his lawyer....when did the

lawyer say that he had no military service?


I must have missed it, so PLEASE post a link so we can all read it....

thanks...

[fat free goodness]

32. You have me confused with another poster.

"just looking for a link to your remarks about his lawyer....when did the lawyer say that he had no military service?
I must have missed it, so PLEASE post a link so we can all read it...."

You have me confused with another. I did not post any remarks about his lawyer.
ON EDIT: looking back, I think you want "underpants" (the poster, not the clothing article :))

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

7. Try...a better explanation. HE WAS IN A FULL BLOWN MANIC EPISODE.

I'm laying money on the prospect that this guy has bipolar disorder and was in the throes of a full blown manic episode. Watch for this as a defense...

JB

[bloom]

10. Mania is not a defense

unless he can prove he didn't know what he was doing. Thought was shooting ducks or something.

When someone kills someone for a reason that is obvious, even though misguided - insanity - not knowing what one is doing - doesn't hold up.

Not that people don't try it as a defense anyway.

[Corgigal]

9. the witness

the woman who sat with him for 7 hours gave his reasoning. He thought that he was set up by the former girlfriend and that people were looking at him like he did it. So he figured he would become what they saw.

Actually it's an amazing interview. I want my daughters to watch it because her behavior kept her alive. She became "human" to him and while it depends on the offender if that always works, it did for Nichols at that time and place.

I'm happy she's alive for her 5 year old. I also think losing her husband a 4 years ago reached him some how. Nicols was a middle class American kid. He had all the benefits of that class and inside they shared the same values. Nichols thought she was an angel that is why he choose her and she stopped the madness. I hope she at least she gets the 60,000 dollars.

[kentuck]

13. Nichols was BSing her.....

Because he thought she was naive and she would do whatever he asked. He was in a hole - no place to run. He needed someone to help him excape. She was that person. And then she would have been killed. Nothing more - nothing less, imo...

[Corgigal]

14. my opinion

He wasn't BS'ing her. Now he was into rationalization mode. He let her leave to visit her child. She didn't break out of there , she didn't sneak out. He let her leave.

In fact it reminded me of a book I read several years ago. It explained their are 4 different types of offenders and if you figure out what you're dealing with them you can combat it or possible just live through it.

If anyone is interested I have the link below:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0028740637/qid=1110817709/sr=1-23/ref=sr_1_23/102-1126484-5162553?v=glance&s=books

[kentuck]

21. And if she came back without reporting him, he had succeeded.

He had won her trust. But, she called 911 thankfully. Otherwise, she may be dead today. He had nowhere to go. He let her leave because he was gambling. If she turned him in, he would be captured alive - because there was no place to run anyway. I think it was a cold calculated gamble on his part... and he gambled wrong.

[fat free goodness]

28. Not so sure...

"and he gambled wrong."
He had three possible outcomes:
1 Die in a hail of bullets (or by one well placed sniper shot);
2 Be captured peacefully;
3 Escape.

If he ran without aid, even with a hostage, (1) was the most probable outcome. Almost certain, in fact, given the manhunt.

If he let her go, either she returned and aided him, or she called the entire world down on him. Oddly, with the entire world called down on him, he is far more likely to be captured alive than if he is discovered by one or two officers. Lots of eyes, and less risk attempting the capture.

I think he gambled that either way he was better off letting her go. He was absolutely correct in that.

[diamond14]

23. I agree....he wasn't lying to her....hopefully, he'll be kept alive so

he can be studied and America can come up with solutions to this kind of behavior....


perhaps Georgia will put aside their revenge KILLINGS, and stand up against any more KILLING...perhaps after listening to the HOSTAGE...the other citizens of Georgia would finally decide: NO MORE KILLING to show citizens that KILLING IS WRONG....
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/

[Blue_Roses]

18. It doesn't really matter now

the whole thing is senseless and very, very sad. I've been glued to the rivoting details all weekend and I don't know if I could have been as calm as she was to think things through. Bottom line--she gotout alive and there were no more killings. She deserves the reward.

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[Blue_Roses]

24. No, I heard it also--about 4 times

and they even asked the forensic psychlogist this question and he said most people who do "mass" murdering call themselves soldiers. Nichols made the comment that his people had been done wrong for a long time....and basically he had a score to settle.

How can anyone reason this--and frankly why try--it's all just very, very sad.

[diamond14]

26. link? can you provide a LINK to your information?

links are GOOD....

:hi:

[Blue_Roses]

29. It was on CNN last night

also you can go to www.ajc.com for the direct story

[kittenpants]

31. does that mean he'll be going to Gitmo?