What Ever Happened to the War We Were Picking with China??

[DemocracyInaction]

Do you remember what Bush and his bums were doing between taking ofice in Jan. 2001 and the 9/11 attacks of the same year?? I do.

In fact it was THE topic all over internet democratic websites. Week after week he was definitely baiting and goading the Chinese which started to come to a head when they forced down our "innocent" spy plane that was where it wasn't suppose to be. Remember Rice was Bush's expert on Russia; but Gen. Myers was picked because he was the military expert on the Asian theater (one of his postings was as head of the Pacific--along with NORAD, etc.). 9/11 stopped the baiting.

No wonder Bush ignored all warnings of terrorism from the ME. Their whole focus was China from the moment he took office. And now that we know how these scum lie and manipulate us into war, it has to scare the bejesus out of you to know where they really intended to go. In some ways, thank god, they went to Iraq and found out there that their fairy tale assumptions of people greeting them with flowers was ignorant and childish. Think what the Chinese would have greeted us with?? Makes your skin crawl.

Now, I have just one question. We know what they were going after in Iraq when the terror strikes opened a whole new door to 'use' to their advantage---oil. What were they after in China?? Is it because China owns so much of our debt??? What??

[neweurope]

1. China is your biggest competitor as Number one world power.

Not quite yet - but coming very fast. The Bushistas see this and they are not going to put up with it. Reread PNAC. And don't feel too relieved that they only attacked Iraq. More is coming, I'm sure.

:scared:

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Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!

[FloridaPat]

2. We are at economic war with China. Their need for oil is increasing

and they are making deals left and right with countries for oil - including Iran.

They own a ton of US dollars as you pointed out. A lot of US jobs are going to China. Even more businesses are going there. They are becoming a very big importing country. If they could take over our spot for imports, the world could dump the dollar, and our economy would be dead while the rest of the world's economies are OK. They are buying as much land or whatever they can to use the dollars they have to buy something before the dollars fall.

And for people who think China and others won't dump dollars because they have so many - think of what a cheap war that would be for them. They dump the dollar and the US dies. No shot fired.

Taiwan use to be what the fights were about. And the fact they are communists. I had forgotten completely that crap before 9-11. Maybe he switched enemies because it was easier to invade Afghanistan and Iraq.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

3. Guess what? China's been in the news lately in a number of very....

...interesting articles that have included the following information:

1. Their legislature has passed into law a measure that makes legal an invasion of Taiwan should one be required;

2. Their Defense Budget has recently been increased by almost 13% for 2005 with the focus to be on modernizing their armed forces for the purpose of projecting their power abroad (identical grand strategy to that of the US);

4. The recently asked Australia to review their military treaties with the US;

5. For the last few years, the Chinese have been meeting with a number of their political counterparts in Central and South America;

6. China has replaced the US as the country in which most other countries invest.

Why would the Busch Junta want to go after China? They see China as our primary economic, political and military competitor in the Pacific Basin. The Busch Junta believes that the only way to eliminate that threat is by making a number of moves in the Pacific that will cause China to attack the US giving the US the oportunity to either take China completely out of the picture, or to seriously degrade China's economic, political and military capabilities.

China currently has an Army of 2.5 million. With a population of 1.3 billion, how many additional troops could China realistically call up in the event of a major armed conflict? 10 million? 15 million? 30 million? Those numbers are sobering enough, but suppose they become fully modernized?

[Aristus]

9. Wow! China is more like us than I thought.

They can legislate an illegal invasion into a "legal" one; just like US!

They must be very proud.

[madrchsod]

4. china is increasing their defense budget

and the usa does not like it at all. china wants to buy euro aircraft,russian missiles,and other weapon systems where they can find them. china is launching a brand new naval force in this century to protect it`s growing trade and social influence around the world. the chinese military structure is at least 25 years behind the us military but 25 years is not a long time for a people that has 4000+ years of civilization. add it all up and the usa is on the wane and china is on the rise...bush is one hell of a good leader...

[Igel]

5. The easiest explanation is that they weren't picking a war

with China. Not all tough speech implies an intent to go to war. Some is just speech. The technical term for this is "bluff", a rare word of truly limited use; I don't think I've seen it since I took a course on Hittite, it's so rare, and the meaning so obscure.

The trick is telling the difference between a "bluff" and the real thing.

[DemocracyInaction]

7. igil--at the time they weren't talking tough at all. They were outright

baiting them with all sorts of military manuevers and accusing their diplomats, etc. Out of nowhere, suddenly they were doing things to China the minute he took office like we saw them do to Iraq and are doing now to so many other countries.

[Igel]

10. A "bluff" doesn't involve things that are trivial;

a bluff has look deadly serious, and be indistinguishable from the lead up to actual war. Moreover, just because you bluff in one situation, doesn't mean the same actions elsewhere are a bluff.

I think it was a bluff with China, and the Chinese knew it was a bluff, and acted appropriately; * upped the ante, so did China. A flight jockey caused the two parties playing chicken to scrape fenders. And since * backed down, the Chinese had no interest in that game. Maybe it just looked like a bluff to me, and was actually an aborted run-up to war, but that's how a good bluff would look. It's an easier leap for me to assume it was a bluff than to assume all * really wants is for the 3ID to have a world tour; a war with China would be an ugly, ugly thing, and nobody wants it.

I think Saddam thought * was bluffing. After all, there was that China business. He was wrong. * probably thought all of Saddam's threats were also a bluff, but apparently he was wrong.

Is China bluffing over Taiwan? Is * bluffing over US support for Taiwan? Are Hizbullah and Karimi bluffing wrt civil war in Lebanon? Is Mullah Omar bluffing over the much-vaunted spring offensive in Afghanistan?

Damn, I hate poker.

[DemocracyInaction]

6. Like to note something else

1. Saw an excellent criticism of how we have blown the opportunites to really unite and economically expand here in our own hemisphere and had countries so very willing to be a part of it all. We snubbed them and always went looking for goodies elsewhere. Now someone, could indeed, surround us right here on our side of the world.
2. When I saw the Chinese openly and obviously going after Tiwan again and soon, I thought to myself: "they ain't dumb---now that Bush has blown our wad in military and money on an unnecessary war that has produced squat but a mess over there and a drained treasury over here, it's the perfect time for enemies to go for the throat".

We will come to know Bush as the guy who not only fucked up every business he touched but also fucked up the US of A and flushed it.

[Stop_the_War]

8. China could whoop the Americans' asses n/t

[bridgit]

11. as has been the case always...

...our capitalists aren't willing to shed the blood:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/GC11Ad05.html