Joe Must Go! CT plans to take down LIEberman

[thom1102]

I have been working to stir up the anti- LIEberman sentiment here in the state, and it appears to be catching on. Using the old Dean For America network, I have, along with several other like minded people, started convincing people that Lieberman must go and thinking of viable alternatives. Tomorrow, we are planning to pass out fliers at a town hall meeting here in Hartford, run by John Larson, Rep(D) CT 1st District, on Social Security, and if anyone has a favorite LIEberman quote which exposes him as nothing more than a DINO, please post them here.

Anyone who would be interested in getting involved in this effort, here is a link to our Yahoo!group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DumpJoe /
Additionally, we own the url for DumpJoe.com, and when that comes on line, I will let you all know.

Thanks all
Thom

[saltpoint]

1. If Senator Lieberman is challenged and defeated --

-- in a Democratic primary race, well, I'd be pretty damned glad.

Keep up the good work, Thom et al.

[thom1102]

3. Thanks!

But we could use all the help we can. Joe has a lot of the state party establishment in his pocket; most owe him a favor or two. If this succeeds, it will be a completely grassroots affair.

[saltpoint]

9. A grassroots upset would also be the sweetest kind.

Keep us on DU posted. As 2006 comes on, several of us may be good for a volunteer gig in Connecticut if the need is there.

[Jack Rabbit]

2. Good luck

You can play back Lieberman's support for a war whose vey rationale long ago lost credibility and his praise for the Torturer General, Gonzales.

[deacon]

4. Joe must go-- he doesn't do any good for us-- dump joe n/t

[paineinthearse]

5. See thread running in Dem Party forum

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Lots of support there. I've added a link to this post.

Good luck.

[Riding this Donkey]

6. Let his Joementum lead him right out the door, and i hope it hits him in

the *ss when it slams shut!

[ProgressiveConn]

7. I signed up.

I'd be glad to help in anyway I can.

[thom1102]

13. Thanks!

[NewJeffCT]

8. good luck, but...

I'd rather spend energy defeating Simmons, Shays, Johnson & Rell.

Lieberman is a nice to have to me.

[ProgressiveConn]

10. Who would you vote for over him

in a hypothetical primary?

[NewJeffCT]

11. a lot of people

John Larson
Rosa DeLauro
John DiStefano
Lowell Weicker
Paul Newman
Toby Moffett
Michael Lawlor

and others.

However, any of them are vulnerable to Johnson or Shays in a statewide race for Senate.


I should also add - Susan Bysiewicz & Dick Blumenthal

[ProgressiveConn]

16. Lawlor is great.

I'd love to see him in the Senate. Anything you can share about Newman's politics? He would be an interesting name. How does Larson or DeLauro poll against Johnson? I'd love for her to run for senate, vacate her house seat and lose.

But then again I have a family vendetta against Johnson. =)

[NewJeffCT]

24. No idea on the polls

But, Johnson is pretty popular despite her being the furthest right of the 3 Republicans in the CT delegation. She has this grandmotherly image that plays well with many... same with Rell, who is still shockingly popular despite her being Rowland's right hand woman for 10 years and for proposing a $180 million tax cut for millionaires while raising the gas & alcohol tax.

[thom1102]

15. ABLieberman...

Some talked about: Paul Newman (according to Sam Seder on the Majority Report), Richard Blumenthal, any of the dems vying for Governor, my dirty gym sock. At this point, just about anyone who will stand up to this administration will do.

[ktowntennesseedem]

17. Same thoughts here,

If you can find an alternate, great, but don't do it at the expense of time and effort better spent on fighting bigger enemies

[thom1102]

19. I don't know...

At least with the named republicans, we know where we stand. LIEberman is a democrat we can not count on, who has strayed too far from the mainstream democratic values. He sells out the party whenever it suits his national aspirations. That to me is more dangerous than someone who is a known and expected enemy.

[ktowntennesseedem]

23. Good point.

If we can get Joe to hit the road in '06 it would be worth it. I just don't want to waste too much on him. Wish Joe wasn't up for reelection till '08. Then we would have the luxury of focusing on getting moderate Repubs to join Jeffords in the Independent column, then on unseating a few vulnerable Repubs in '06, and take back control of one or both houses of Congress. And hey, if we do manage that, Joe won't matter so much anyway.

Even so, I would like to be able to add "former-" in front of his Senator title.

[CHestonsucks]

12. Excellent idea.

I'd love to see the Zell Miller of CT get handed his hat.

"Here's your hat, what's your hurry?"

[PassingFair]

14. When you find a likely candidate...

let us know, either here, or through DFA, or both. I'll be the first to send a check. Dinos must go.

[Jacobin]

18. Thank you for your work

That man has GOT to go. He is a disgrace to the party.

[autorank]

20. Watch the sneak. He'll switch parties. Nothing too low.

The simple formula for American Politics is those who are outspoken about their own piety and values are most likely sleaze bags. The entire WH operation and its "god" affinity is the latest prime example. The TV evangelists (The Bakers and that "I have sinned against you" guy) are the alpha in the long line.

Why not Lieberman? He sold out tens of millions of Americans by being the legislative & regulatory enabler for Enron and WorldCom. How much lower and immoral can you get?

I hope it's either Newman or Weicker. Both would mop the floor with him unless, like I suggested, he switches.

[whistle]

21. Would Lieberman cross over and become a rePuke?

[NewJeffCT]

25. I don't think so, but I can't be 100% sure

He is still pro-choice and the other week was speaking out about the dangers of global warming.

[secular_warrior]

22. not going to happen - he's too much of a respected figure

Lieberman is one of the most prominent US senators, along with McCain. He is someone who gets support beyond party ranks (like McCain).

In order to take out St. Joe, you need a really good, moderate challenger - not someone from the left, unfortunately. CT is Dem, but moderate (both Lieberman and Dodd are very moderate to conservative).

[thom1102]

26. Even if it doesn't...

I would send a message that he will have to watch his left flank because it is vulnerable. He has banked on the fact that he has a high national profile to insulate him from criticism from the left. If he gets a stiff primary challenge, it may jolt him into thinking being more of team player and attending to the needs of his base rather than his own national aspirations.

Even if we don't take him down, we may bloody his nose a little. If he has to get in the gutter to defend himself, that may tarnish his saintly image.

[fujiyama]

28. I don't consider Dodd

conservative. He's better than Lieberman atleast. Even though their voting records are similar, Dodd is more liberal (didn't he vote against Gonzales for example?) and he doesn't vocally shill for this administration as much as Lieberman.

Connecticut is a wealthy state filled with banking, pharmacuetical, and insurance corporation interests, so it's understandable (though unfortunate) that various pols of both parties would be beholden to some extent to them.

Lieberman however has crossed the line on one too many occassions. It's not necessarily his voting record as much as his tendancy to vocally support so much of this administration's disasterous agenda (especially internationally, where his views are extremely similar to that of this administration).

That said, I don't know how well another Dem would fare against the GOP contendors. As much as I hate Joe, I don't want the GOP one step close to having a filibuster proof majority in the senate.

[thom1102]

35. He is a signing member of PNAC

[ProgressiveConn]

36. I'd call Dodd a conservative

politically. But not ideologically. At least that is how it has always seemed to me. He doesn't seem to stick his neck out that often politically.

Also I think you need to understand that having Joe in there might make that filibuster proof majority be one vote closer. If we were filibustering say the draft order (just a random example) I'd be very worried about him not standing with us. =(

[SoCalDem]

27. The Joe-mentum is running out of steam???

Aaaaw!!

[OneMind]

29. Lieberman?

I thought he was a Republican!

[kohodog]

39. Personally, I think he's looking for a position in the Administration

I wouldn't be at all surprised if he bails and ends up with a position in Homeland Security, DOD or somewhere else. I think he'd prefer that at this point, but we'll see.

[Toucano]

30. Is there anyway to honor his past contributions to the cause

but reveal him as out of step with the current and future needs of the party?

He makes me angry a lot, but the man fought segregation in the deep South. I don't want to see him totally disrespected, I guess.

I know, "Touch me, feel me!"

[KoKo]

32. He got his honor...VP Nominee and many "kissies" from Bush...plus

he and Dodd got rid of SEC Regulations which would have protected consumers from the Dot Com Bubble of 2000! And we live with their Damned De-Regulation to this day with the scandals of these Corporate Whores raping ordinary Americans with Mergers/Downsidings/Acquisitions.

Lieberman, Dodd and their buddy Biden should get the DOOR as soon as possible. They are personally great politicians...charming and engaging but they sold us Dems down the River...with the Chimp and they did it during Clinton, too!

[thom1102]

34. The tack that we are planning

is that he is a fine senator for a senate where he is in the majority, but as an opposition senator, he doesn't know how to function. He has to be willing to stand with his colleagues and challenge this administration, something has been unable or unwilling to do.

[Toucano]

37. That sounds good.

I'm glad you've thought about it that way.

[KoKo]

31. Good for YOU! I have good memories of Conn...lived in Greenwich

Ridgefield and New Haven. Joe Liberman is a DISGRACE...but then I'm in NC now and Liddy Dole and Richard Burr (who replaced Edwards) are a DISGRACE...

But Lieberman is acting like a Southern State Zell Miller, lately...get rid of they guy...sheesh. I also think he threw Election 2000 by caving into Bush about the Absentee Ballots in Florida and that's why Chimp kisses him on the cheek whenever he can. I really can't stand him anymore...and blame him for "Selection 2000" after he sided with the Bushies....

[Lori Price CLG]

33. Oh, Kick, kick, kick, and thanks!! n/t

[Riding this Donkey]

38. LIE-berman has to go..He has gone along with training

the Iraqi's with SPIT BALLS and our boys will never get home at this rate! Him and his twin Sell (out) Miller are of no use to us.
I say give the Lieman the boot!

Has anyone seriously approached Paul Or even JoAnne Woodman for making a run? I'd travel down from Mass to campaign for either.