POPE, NEW BOOK: ABORTION IS LIKE HOLOCAUST

[emad]

(AGI) - Vatican City, Feb. 18 - The Pope considers the laws on abortion in many countries to Nazism, abortion itself to the holocaust. In his view, both phenomena "clash with the law of God". That's what he wrote in his last book, "Memory and Identity. Conversations between the millenniums", out next week. Rumours have it that the Pope warns the people of Eastern Europe not to follow the nihilism of the west. The 140 page book is not an autobiography, nor a series of essays: it's written version of the talks the Pope had in the 90's with philosophers Krystof Michalski and Jozef Tishner, regarding the main events of the 20th century. The Pope turns to the peoples now free from the Soviet rule, telling them to resist the temptation to follow western Europe's secularised cultures. "The main threat is that central Europe's identity may be subdued, with the risk of following the negative culture of the west". The Pope writes that during the struggle against communism "this part of Europe completed its spiritual path thanks to important values, underestimated in the west. There, the conviction that God is the highest guarantor of man and human rights is still strong".
(AGI) -
http://www.agi.it/english/news.pl?doc=200502181631-1207-RT1-CRO-0-NF11&page=0&id=agionline-eng.oggitalia

DESPERATE Theo-Con humbug before the resumption of the Rome murder trial of "God's Banker" Roberto Calvi.....

[rpannier]

1. Yeah, but I guess back alley abortions are so much better.

And forcing victims of rape and incest to carry the nine months is really what God's plan is. Yep, gotta love a God who would do that. Or is it possible the Pope is WRONG???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I report, you decide (or deride)

[CindyDale]

2. He doesn't get it, I guess

The idea that human rights are guaranteed by God is anti-clerical and pro-secular. It always was.

Has he heard of Voltaire?

http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/voltaire.htm

Edit: Looking this up, it came from Locke, who both Voltaire and Jefferson were influenced by, but the whole idea is that rights are God-given (i.e., not controlled by the church or state).

[tanyev]

3. Well, Mr. Pope, if abortion is so evil,

then we should be promoting birth control and making it easily available, shouldn't we?

[HockeyMom]

5. Birth Control is Evil too

That is what they teach. The Pill, IUDs kill fertilized eggs. Even CONDOMS go against God's will. "GOD decides how many children you will have, not YOU." I spent 12 years in Catholic school and parted company with them as a TEENAGER on the issue of birth control.

[emad]

4. From: Papal bullet 'diverted by Virgin Mary', JP2 on "convulsions"

Later he describes his meeting with Agca in a Rome prison cell at Christmas in 1983. “We talked for a long time. Ali Agca is, as everyone says, a professional assassin. Which means that the assassination was not his initiative, that someone else thought of it, someone else gave the order.”

He does not speculate as to who that was, but observes that it was “one of the last convulsions of the 20th-century ideologies of force. Force stimulated Fascism and Hitlerism, and force also stimulated Communism.”

He says Agca became intrigued by the “secrets of Fatima”, which in turn led him to an interest in religion. The Pope adds: “Ali Agca, as I believe, understood that above his power, the power of shooting and killing, there is a greater power. He began looking for it. I wish for him that he finds it.” Agca is serving a prison sentence in Turkey, having been extradited there after serving nearly 20 years in Italy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1490115,00.html

WELL, Hitler was certainly interested in the Fatima secrets and spent an inordinate amount of time and effort trying to get in on this scam...







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[skjpm]

7. progressive pro-life Democrats like me admire the Pope

The Pope has a consistent pro-life ethic which includes opposition to the war and the death penalty, and promotes fair wages and social justice. While there are many places where I disagree, I think that, in general, he outlines a direction which I think is worth discussing. Many Catholics are ex-Democrats, and if you want them back in the party, you could work harder to include those of us whose value system is based on the same principles as the Pope's.

(or you could write a whole bunch of snarky, flaming posts, which is what will probably happen)

(P.S. I'm an Anglican. We're allowed to admire the Pope, too-but from a distance.)

[CindyDale]

13. Who people vote for is their own business

but no one who truly opposes the war and death penalty, supports fair wages and social justice is going to vote radical right wing.

Neither will anyone who truly values human rights.

[Dark]

6. Of course he doesn't want Eastern Europe to become more secularized.

That means less money for the church.

As for the abortions, maybe if the church actually tried something besides praying and marching, like, I dunno, COUNSELING women and offering aid to struggling parents, people would not get abortions.

[apple_ridge]

8. "The pope writes..." He's a drooling mess and can barely

raise his hand.

[DemBones DemBones]

10. He's an intelligent man physically disabled by Parkinson's disease.

I would imagine he has been dictating his "writings" for many years -- as many able-bodied people do.

Your lack of empathy for the disabled is hardly a credit to liberalism.

[Cuban_Liberal]

9. GD wouldn't be complete without our daily, anti-Catholic flamebait.

Thanks for being predicatble.

:eyes:

[DemBones DemBones]

11. So true, and so sad that some have nothing better to do than hate

anything Catholic.

[ChairOne]

15. ... while others seem to have nothing better to do than apologize

for anything catholic.

wutrya gonna do?

[Nashvilliberal]

18. Defending one's faith against knee-jerk bigotry...

is hardly the same as apologizing.

[ChairOne]

19. But defending one's faith, the leader of which is a sexist reactionary...

... and which receives 1000s of sexual molestation complaints yearly, that IS apologia.

It isn't obvious from your post that you know what "apology" means. Apologies in advance if you in fact do.

[usregimechange]

12. I think he is a tad senile

[leesa]

14. Don't unborn souls go straight to heaven? What's the problem?

[Hugin]

16. No... They're guilty of...

That "Original Sin" stuff... They have yet to
answer for their "Crime against god."


(I think you're right tho...)

[radwriter0555]

17. oh please. that brainless, brain dead doddering old fool can't even

wipe the drool from his chin.

He most certainly isn't capable of pushing the US right wing agenda on anyone.