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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:02 PM
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Tonight's interview was a flat-out admission that he IS "bulldog".
And after seeing Guckert tonight, I saw a guy in a lot of emotional distress trying to put on a brave face.

Whatever kind of career this guy may have wanted to build to escape from his sex-worker past is now GONE. He has been shamed and ridiculed mercilessly, and I may be alone in saying this, but I think we should lay off Guckert himself just a bit.

As for his connections to Bush, Scotty, Rove, whoever, and the very shady way Guckert got in there, that still deserves scrutiny, but personally I am not going to pile on and ridicule this guy anymore. I've seen people in similar circumstances hurt themselves and try to put an end to it all, and I don't want to see that.

Am I the only one thinking this?
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:04 PM
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1. If he ends up dead
I'm not sure my first thought would be that he took his own life.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 11:50 PM
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62. I was thinking the same thing. n/t
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 04:08 PM
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93. How would we ever know? Either way wouldn't be a surprise
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:04 PM
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2. End it all?
In a "well staged" suicide, no doubt...

http://www.lovearth.net/fortunateson.htm
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 12:01 AM
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66. 'suicide' 12 shots to the head with a single shot derringer no less. -eom
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MurrayDelph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 09:47 PM
Response to Reply #66
101. with arms and legs trussed behind him
and hanging from a twenty-foot branch?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:08 PM
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3. probably
"Am I the only one thinking this?"
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:08 PM
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4. No, you're not the only one thinking this, but...
What you need to keep in mind is that this guy, for whatever reason, by whatever means, decided to attack our fourth branch of government.

He is an enemy of the people of the United States of America.

I don't think we should lay off this guy until we find out EXACTLY how he got where he is. We need to know EVERYTHING.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:11 PM
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7. I'm not saying to lay off whatever crimes he may have committed.
I just mean his lurid past. It's been done to death, and since he admitted that this IS his sexual history, it's kind of mean.

As for his lack of journalistic credentials, whether or not he was a plant - those questions are fair game.

But he is a human being, however flawed.


Besides, aren't you tired of tighty-whitey pics yet?
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:19 PM
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16. I would not at all be surprised if...
Gannon's comfortable post at the White House is a DIRECTLY related to his work as a prostitute.

It's not like Bobby Eberle was just looking for a bald guy to plant in the White House.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 12:02 AM
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67. I think so too
I don't give him apass that easily. He, after all, could've said "no" couldn't he? And if he was being blackmailed couldn't he have gone to the local police or something? :shrug: I think it's all weird and I wanna know how he got there too. Who let him in? And I remember on another Gannon/Guckert thread someone posted he was let into private White House invite only parties. What was so special about him getting a pass?
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:20 PM
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19. I don't think it's about easing up on the guy himself
b/c we feel sorry for him, or he's suffered enough, or any of that. I think that focusing on him and the sex details gets US de-railed and off what's important -- the white house connections, the bigger story.

I'm not terribly concerned about the guy, but I AM concerned that we not let ourselves get backed into a corner where we chew on a sex story and let them slip by us in the meantime.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 01:09 AM
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77. What if the sex details ARE the WH connection?
I mean, I know the guy is human and all, and I'm sure he's been under a very great deal of stress lately... hell, he probably could use a friend or two, to be honest.

However...

What if the fact he was in the White House press pool is a direct result of his activities as an (I'll be nice about it) escort? He reportedly (earlier Fri, late Thurs) knew about 'Shock & Awe' four hours before it happened. Was that a fact known and unreported by the PBM (print & broadcast media), or did his knowledge come from some pillow talk?

That I even need to ask the question points to the deadly seriousness of the security breach- and I do think that's what we're ultimately dealing with. That it could have been a security breach which involved both sex and fake journalism (aka overt propaganda) only makes the situation that much worse.

Again, I want the man's Rolodex or its equivalent.

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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 09:12 PM
Response to Reply #77
98. If that's the case -- full speed ahead
and damn the torpedos.

What I'm saying is that I'm concerned with the focus falling on all the tabloid juicy stuff and therefore missing the real story -- or making the real story all too easy to dismiss.
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:21 PM
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20. It's hardly been "done to death." I work in an office where
everyone is a moderate to raging liberal, and no one is talking about this story. When I bring it up, they have blank faces and say, "you're kidding." But they all knew that Michael Jackson was in the hospital. The media is AT WORK, my friends.

The story hasn't penetrated the public psyche. We can't afford to lay off for a second.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:35 PM
Response to Reply #20
31. Michael Jackson is in the hospital?
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 03:45 AM
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86. Xactly
at our weekly peace vigil 2night, one of the regular, politically savvy participants had not heard of JimmyJeff. She does not have easy access 2 a computer so she does not rely on the internet 4 news. Score one 4 the corporate media.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 03:50 PM
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89. no, it's news to a lot of people and the pressure has just begun.
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:55 PM
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42. I agree, it's time to move on to WHO set him up?
I'm sick of the tighty whities. The guy is a fucking pawn. He is NOT a major power player. The guy is scared because he is not a pro. He knows he is a nobody. His bottom lip was quivering and he was pratically flinching, he was so nervous.

The real story is WHO set this up. The focus should be on WHO in the WH paid another propaganda operative.

It's time to move on to WHO set him up and let's hope this guy doesn't end up dead.
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 03:23 AM
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85. Because he is "up against the wall"...he WILL talk soon.
And this unfortunately needs to happen. Fate chose him to be the one to do this.

Like Monica Lewinsky, or Anita Hill, or Oliver North, or Gordon Libby...Gannon/Guckert CHOSE his fate...however embarassing, and difficult it seems now. And remember, he wasn't just a pawn, he knew who he was deliberately smearing and distoring the truth about...for GOP-USA...every day he sat in that Press Room, and on those blogs he wrote destroying Daschle's campaign (also for the GOP), and also smearing Kerry.

Gannon/Guckert probably will need a "safe-house" soon. And I hope those in the position to shield him, will...so that Truth at least about this Administration can see the light of day.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 12:37 AM
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71. I am tired of the he's gay, no he's gay threads. However,
like every flawed public figure, he should not get a "free" pass. Oh, you're sorry? Well, you hurt others.

Sen. Byrd hurt others with his KKK connection. He owns up to it, and it will follow him into the grave.

Justice Earl Warren hurt others when he set up the internment camps, and he finally owned up to it.

He will have to own up to the lies he told for the administration, and the way he vilified other citizens because his masters told him to.

Just my opinion.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:09 PM
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5. Tried to better himself by selling us all out?
I'll try to be forbearing.
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:10 PM
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6. As long as he is still lying and covering for whoever
set him up in his White House gig, he is fair game.

What he did to Tom Daschle is despicable.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:13 PM
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8. He's a dumb freeper. A shill, a patsy and a nobody.
I'm not saying to let him off scot-free, just ease up a bit on the personal ridicule.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:13 PM
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9. Rove has been spinning the "Gannon is a victim"
story ever since this broke. "Left wing bloggers ruined this fine man's life" "Poor Jeff Gannon, attacked for being gay". Why is he doing that? Because it works that's why. Decent people don't take pleasure in seeing someone crash and burn. And so good people like yourself start saying "Lay off. Play fair" and Karl wins again. I suggest that if you haven't done so already you go find some of hate and bile that "Jeff Gannon" was spewing in his "news" stories. This jerk knew exactly what he was doing. He was a willing soldier in the Rove machine that is destroying our country. Pity him, perhaps, but don't give him a pass.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 11:22 PM
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47. He was a hustler who saw a chance to make a decent buck
and gain some respectability by being a sellout stenographer for Bush. I'm not defending what he did, but I can sure see why he would do it.


For all you know this guy might eventually be another David Brock, if we offer him the opportunity.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 11:31 PM
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52. Fine
and George Bush may be the next Abe Lincoln. That's fine, turn the other cheek and play nice. Back off, do the honorable thing. Just remember that your political opponents won't. Ever.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 11:43 PM
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59. Well, I wouldn't mind to see a LITTLE of it on the news
they've gone out of their way to leave him some dignity.

But I'm so sick of nothing but GannonGuckert stuff here at DU. It's drowning everything else out.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 12:56 AM
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74. No, I will not go that far. He is playing the victim too well. He is
looking for an out. I suspect he likes the limelight.
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 04:22 PM
Response to Reply #47
94. That's when he should be given a break - not before
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:13 PM
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10. If he came clean on
everything, named names and admitted he was wrong to do what he did then I could see laying off him but I feel no pity. He's a part of the reason we got another 4 yrs of *.
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:23 PM
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24. And he helped defeat Tom Daschle with vicious lies. nt
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TryingToWarnYou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:13 PM
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11. Lay off of him? Sorry, he earned it...every bit of it.
No fucking way should anyone "lay off of him".

Udo, I dont know why you say that.

This guy perpetuated the lies of this administration instead of reporting facts. You remember facts right? (not being snarky, but with this MSM issue in our country, facts have become endangered species).

This guy gave the appearance of credibility to an administration that has none.

Do you think they would lay off of us if this was a "liberal" reporter?

This is precisely why we have had our heads handed to us in the past two elections... playing softball when they are playing hardball. We will continue to be the conservatives bitch until we stand up and start fighting back with everything they give us.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 11:23 PM
Response to Reply #11
48. Did you read my post?
I just want to lay off the personal ridicule, nothing else.
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TryingToWarnYou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 11:36 PM
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54. I think the personal ridicule goes with the territory. NT
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 12:07 AM
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68. If he was serious
about all this he would've deleted those websites, don't you think? Why not? "Talon News" deleted his articles he "wrote." He's using this to divert us from knowing the real deal about this. Who's behind him.
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 11:43 PM
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60. And if he hadn't been caught..
He'd still be doing it, and laughing about it to everyone he knew. As well as the FR.

Nope, I'm not laying off him.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 11:46 PM
Response to Reply #60
61. Allright, I give.
You guys can re-hash his sexcapades endlessly, and DU will be boring as hell until it blows over.

But I don't believe for a second that the corporate media will ever really play that angle up...
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 11:52 PM
Response to Reply #61
63. That's cool..
I understand what you are saying; I just strongly disagree w/ it.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:14 PM
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12. "his sex-worker past"
This guy appears to have been hired to do shilling for bushco. Prostitute for money/sex or bushco, it's all the same to me.
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:14 PM
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13. There is a side of me that
agrees with the thought of not being part a gang that pushes someone over the edge. But, it is also true that he brought this on himself by his own actions and choices. He has to be held accountable, stop acting like a victim, and tell the American people the truth behind this story. If he can find that courage, there will be opportunities for him to go forward.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:15 PM
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14. If you're feeling sorry for him, read some of his articles, like
the one where "Jeff Gannon" says that if John Kerry is eleced, he'll be our first gay president.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:18 PM
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15. Nope, you're not alone. His tawdry life is icky,
but it's the connection to the WH that should concern us. There's something far bigger than one male prostitute dressing up as a journalist.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 01:01 AM
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75. And I think Joe Biden hit it on the head on Bill Maher. There will be
no Congressional investigation b/c the WH owns the executive branch and the legislative branch. No investigation on how he got a press pass can go forward unless the Repubs okay it. (Does when pigs fly come to mind?)

And soon they will own the judical branch. There is the real "harm." Too much power in one party's hands. 2006 we should campaign for "checks and balances."
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #75
99. I think you're right. I also suspect there might be a number of
people -- even erstwhile Bush supporters -- listening to that message.
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n2mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:19 PM
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17. There is a point where I agree with you but disagee
probably disagree more because he brought this on himself. He is an adult, adults are suppose to know right from wrong. I think he knew what he was doing, and just trying to get it all.

My point is.... he is also covering up lies, I don't go for this either. If the man would come out and be honest I would look at him differently. He is taking the fall for someone within the WH and that is his problem. If he wants to continue to enable that is his problem. He is part of the dysfunctional triangle. He needs to pay the consequences of his behavior.
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 04:31 PM
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95. He knew the risks and he gladly took them
Reap what ye sow. And I agree wholeheartedly that if the table were reversed the pubes would be hitting this on all 12 cylinders. The only way we have any hope of defeating them is to play by their rules.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:20 PM
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18. No, you're not the only one.
I don't want the investigations to end per say, but to ease up a bit on Guckert. But in the mean time, I will continue to joke about bulldog and his escort service...this is only a message board. I just don't want to see anything happen to Guckert. He may have to do what Monica did...stay holed up on the inside until this thing blows over. Who knows.:shrug:
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n2mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:26 PM
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26. I don't get DU
Why ease up on Guckert/ Did the pukes give up on Clinton?
What are they doing to Dean now?

Sorry, no more Ms. Nice Dem.
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:45 PM
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37. It's liberal guilt. Republicans have no such qualms.
Guckert actually said that his personal life should not be relevant to his reporting. How is it personal when you post it on the web? I'm with you. Take no prisoners.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 11:25 PM
Response to Reply #26
49. As far as that goes...
I didn't think Monica should have been ridiculed as much as she was.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:21 PM
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21. UdoKier, You're right, he seems unstable.
His speech was halting, compared to his WH "work" and he was not fluid at all. These can be manifestations of neurological symptoms or he be just plain scared. He certainly didn't seem like a "military stud" or the over confident faux reporter that we've seen on the previous clips. Maybe the interview was a message to all that the guy is alone and in trouble.

He deserves few if any breaks, however. Too bad that his obvious, clumsy scheme blew up in his face. He is a destroyer, everything he touches turns to bacteria.

We'll see what happens. He has the same options others have...he can seek counseling or the care of a psychiatrist, clean up his life, and tell the truth. What a concept.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:34 PM
Response to Reply #21
29. He may have good reason to be scared.
If he's in as deep as we think (Plame, Rathergate, Daschle, gay prostitution, etc), he's a serious threat if he decides to tell all. I suspect Mr. Gannon has a 6 Figure bonus from any one of a number of rags to "tell all".

At the same time, the power of the internet is a wake-up call to these treasonous bastards.....there really is a media out there thats big and not on the take and committed to getting the truth about this administration out.

A suicide could be a twofer....stop the gossip and pin it on the evil blogosphere.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:41 PM
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35. Old, maybe he's victim of "the modified limited hang out."
I cannot believe the arrogance of Rove, * and co. exhibited by putting this guy in their fold. Jeebus!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 11:31 PM
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53. And we know they're easy to stage ..
look at the author of "Fortunate Son"..Jim Hatfield.. and what happened to him.

SNIPS~
A BuzzFlash Interview with Jim Hatfield, Author of "Fortunate Son."

http://www.softskull.com/jimhatfield.html.>

A few days ago we posted an interview with Sander Hicks, from SoftSkull Press, publisher of "Fortunate Son," the expose that the Bush propaganda machine got banned for a while. Next month, "Fortunate Son" will be republished in a Second Edition. BuzzFlash.com obtained an exclusive interview with Jim Hatfield, author of "Fortunate Son," which we are posting below.

"Fortunate Son" covers the seedy and hypocritical past of America's Anointed President-Select. You get a full accounting of the dark underside of the front man for Bush Incorporated.


More at...
http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/2001/05/Jim_Hatfield_053101.html
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:21 PM
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22. This guy will become homeless or something like that...
and then conveniently dead when no one is looking.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #22
28. don't let the door hit him in the ass
on his way to Hell.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:36 PM
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32. I think he's a tool rather than an arm and fingers. I really do.
They all need to go there, but he shouldn't go alone.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:54 PM
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41. A sacrifical cog. in the disinfo-smear machinery
Edited on Fri Feb-18-05 10:54 PM by Old and In the Way
A cheap gear connecting the RNC and the corporate media, designed to wear or break before damaging more expensive parts of the machinery. Easily replaceable, too.

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Moxygirl Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:22 PM
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23. I'm going to pile on
and then some. This scumbag deserves everything he has coming. Did the right lay off Monica when they smelled a scandal because they felt sorry for her? Gagnon is getting just what he asked for a week ago, I don't feel any pity for this loser.
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drummer55 Donating Member (306 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:24 PM
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25. you reap what you sow.
sorry no sympathy here.

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:26 PM
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27. i have yet to ridicule this man, not my style. his choices are his
Edited on Fri Feb-18-05 10:28 PM by seabeyond
own. he suffers the repercussion. he played the game, full force in total hypocrisy. why would he expect anything less. face on national tv as journalist and gay porn sites naked offering service. surely he understood there were risks.

this man has little to do with the story i see. this is a continuing of seeing media is/was used by bushco. that sets up a media driven decision who is president. this is what i want stopped or we get no dems to have a fair shot in any election.

i feel strongly that this administration uses homosexual in the cruelest and evilest of ways to gain their wants. for me that is horrible, and horrible that they have gotten away with it. they have created so much hate for homosexual community since taking office i am disgusted.

i dont sit in judgement of guckert, he created his world
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:51 PM
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39. Excellent post.
Thank you, I couldn't put it better myself. :-)
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:35 PM
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30. While I care not what his sexual persuasion or preference may be,
we need to keep his fraud front and center. We need to make sure Mr & Mrs America know the WH hires frauds to do their lying for them.

I do have a question about the prostitution angle though. I have long though it should be legalized, but in most states it remains a crime. So how come he hasn't been arrested for solicitation? Female hookers get busted all the time. What gives? I am ignorant of laws regarding this but is it OK to solicit online but not in person?

In Texas, cops can now get naked to make an arrest for solicitation. I guess in DC, things are different? The WH's fraud reporter gets naked online and liberals get picked on for hurting him? :wtf:
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Melynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:36 PM
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34. I hoping that the pressure will make Guckert spill his guts
but not literally. I hope Guckert goes public and tells the truth about his connections to the White House and the RNC. It could happen, although right now it doesn't seem possible.

My guess is what Guckert does in the future will depend on how his handlers treat him. If Guckert's bosses distance themselves from him then I think that he could talk. And if enough public pressure is applied, that may happen.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:43 PM
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36. It's been said before and I'll just repeat it...
he made his bed, let him lie in it. He will get no sympathy from me and like it! The punkass bitch! :nopity:
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n2mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:55 PM
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43. Well,
he had websites, he must have enjoyed what he was doing. He attended press conferences, he must have enjoyed it. If he didn't enjoy it, he enjoyed the bucks. That says it all.
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Stirk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:48 PM
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38. No, I'm sorry- and I honestly don't have an ounce of pity for the man.
Edited on Fri Feb-18-05 10:49 PM by Stirk
He's been an eager propagandist for the most corrupt, overtly fascist regime the United States has ever seen.

Soldiers coming back from Iraq with missing pieces, the future millions who will suffer without Social Security if Bush succeeds in privatizing it... people who get hurt by corporate profiteering in the era of "tort reform"... victims of US torture and Bush's wars... I'll save my pity for those people. Guckert doesn't deserve it.
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liberal43110 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:51 PM
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40. He is still lying and withholding information on CRIMINAL events
like the Plame case. I can feel a little sorry for him, but I will not let up until he tells the truth. He went along with this game, and now he is suffering the consequences.
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GarySeven Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 10:56 PM
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44. Are you KIDDING?????
This is a sick little pervert; not because he is Gay, but because he is a REPUBLICAN. They are TRAITORS to Constitutional Democracy and a THREAT to the Republic. Conservatives KILL abortion doctors; they KILL civil rights leaders. They don't obey rules, they have no rules; they believe only in thuggery and gangsterism, threats, blackmail and whatever else it takes to put themselves on top and the rest on the bottom; the complete Subversion of Americanism.

Cut them no slack, yield them no quarter. You would receive none from them. They intend to destroy America and they are counting on cartoon liberals to let them.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 04:05 PM
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92. They are indeed counting on liberals to remain "nice"
and hoping that our hearts bleed for this propaganda spewing muckraker. Just look at what they're doing to our country! No, I will not "play nice" with ruthless criminals!
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necso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 11:06 PM
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45. This guy is a street hustler,
who saw an opportunity to make more money by pimping and pandering something other than his own flesh (and who knows if he even gave up on that) -- regardless of the harm that it did. (And it would be interesting to know how he came across this "opportunity" -- and the extent to which he was recruited, as opposed to just taking the main chance. -- Someone's "circles" are overlapping to a shocking degree, I surmise.)

This base, grasping, unscrupulous, opportunistic whore seized his main chance and served as a covert flunkey, agent and toady to a cult of dangerous, delusional, amoral extremists. He "distinguished" himself by the ferocity of his attacks on the loyal Democratic opposition -- and by the distance he went to debase journalism in this country. His acts amount to nothing less than an assault on the democratic foundations of this country -- and one more step in the direction of an authoritarian state with a completely controlled press.

And he did all this for money, notoriety, power and other personal gratification.

So now he is putting on some little act, whining and making excuses, trying to downplay his crimes and to discredit those who brought these crimes to light of day -- and generally spinning like hell -- all to his own benefit. And he is seeking the same sort of consideration that he made it a professional practise (and perhaps a personal taste) never to extend to others. -- And we're supposed to let him get away with it?

Fuck him. No mercy. No pity. No remorse. He must become anathema, shunned -- held in horror... We must make an impression.

And the same goes for the rest of these traitors. They wouldn't let us have a decent chance to win at the polls, using everything in their power, media, money and government, to prevent it. Fuck them too. They like street-fighting so much when nobody is fighting back -- let's see how much they like it when somebody does (rhetorically speaking, of course).

Save your softer feelings for something that better warrants it... like a rabid dog.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 11:28 PM
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51. I don't disagree with any of that...
But as I said, who knows if we don't have another potential David Brock here - if he knows what's good here (only difference being that Brack actually can write...)
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necso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 12:01 AM
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65. Well,
I'm not sure that Mr Brock would appreciate the comparison.

And I would be surprised if that happened. This hustler seems an unlikely candidate to come over from the dark side (the total absence of scruples, at least, would argue against this). Indeed, I imagine that more (and easier) hustling is all that this particular cockroach is looking for.

Besides, survival is the first rule of the species.

But then again, there is probably money to be made in an expose -- if he dares.
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 04:47 PM
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96. Once he chooses America over the Republican party then cut him some slack
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 12:18 AM
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69. Let him have all the sympathy
from his little freeper buddies who will be protesting. :eyes: I'm sure they'll give him plenty. Maybe someone there will want his services too.
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necso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 12:40 AM
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72. Yeah,
but I'm not going there.

I see hints of some secret, dangerous sex-game being played by (some of) this power elite, just like it was by (some of) the Nazi elite (who were also openly and rabidly homophobic -- and who in "secret" practiced something quite different) -- the greater the dangers of being exposed, the greater the thrill.

But there are things that I prefer not to think about -- unless I have to... And there is not yet enough useful information.
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necso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 02:53 AM
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84. And I suppose that
Edited on Sat Feb-19-05 03:27 AM by necso
I should point out that secret "games" are almost always played (to some degree -- and by some members) in every power elite. Religious, cultural, corporate, class, (etc) groups that openly forbid (or would forbid -- or would at least pretend to forbid) things to people, are often infested with people who try to keep their practise of (some of) these forbidden things secret. (This "infestation" ranges from the marginal to the widespread -- and this phenomenon is also typically exploited by others "in the know").

A special sort of these "secret-sinners" also (typically) makes its way (deliberately) into the upper levels of the hierarchy (the "higher-heavens") in order to exploit the opportunities there -- and to take advantage of the protection that this affords them. They can do this, because, as a rule, other "high-dwellers" will not be anxious to expose any of the hypocrisy (and all the other ugliness, including crimes) in their midst, and as long as it doesn't go too far, it is usually ignored. (Although it is often widely known -- and universally denied by those that do.) Sometimes, however, some of the players in one or the other of these games are "thinned out", or "thrown to the wolves". (This practise normally "misses" anyone of real importance.)

(And, generally, there are all sorts of miserable creatures that seek positions of power (other miserable creatures just find themselves there) -- for all sorts of sordid reasons -- and resulting in all sorts of sordid practises. And do keep in mind that I see nothing necessarily sordid in consensual adult sex, even for money (others disagree). And, in any event, the issue is whoring American journalism (not bodies) -- with all that this entails for the American people, who depend on journalism to provide them with the information that they need, and to help them protect democracy and to prevent governmental excess.)

And there is (sometimes) a special group of "secret-sinners", a subset of those who have reached positions of power, that even go so far as to flaunt their "forbidden" behavior (at least in certain "circles") -- secure in their power, in the power of their protectors, or in the fear of those who are witness to, or victims of, this behavior -- and pushing the phenomenon to approach to its limits.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 11:22 PM
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46. If Rove is saying that Gannon's life has been ruined and he is a
victim that would mean the White House is getting ready to "off" him and Gannon knows it. In other words, Rove is setting up the case for suicide.

Gannon announced earlier in the week that he was not going to give anymore interviews on the advice of his counsel. Then tonight he gives an interview - I think he knows the only way to stay alive is to get a higher profile. Otherwise, he will "commit suicide" and everything will be forgotten by the MSM and slip into nothing like the 1989 White House sex scandals.
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laundry_queen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 11:36 PM
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55. That's how I see it.
It reads like a movie script.
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Athame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 12:23 AM
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70. Yep, he is seeing his life pass before his eyes now
I do think that they are setting us up as driving him to suicide, though. This will be spun as the left bloggers knowing no limits, literally hounding Guckert/Gannon to death.

WE should be turning our blazing blogs to the White House and not let up on THEM. There should be constant questions raised. What are the connections to Rather and also to the Swift Boat Vets? How was Guckert compensated for his work against Tom Daschle? In fact, WHO actually wrote his articles? He has admitted using WH press releases verbatim. There is little evidence that he can write, except hot M4M ad copy.

Seems to me we could save his life, for whatever that is worth now, by openly and loudly predicting his "suicide" at the hands of the BFEE, just like Hatfield, Spence, and so many others.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 11:37 PM
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56. I don't know
All this "suicided" stuff is sounding far too much like the RW "Clinton Murders" propaganda. What Scaife and his cronies have done to Vince Foster's family and friends should get them a special place in Hell.

Rove is a scoundrel of the highest order, but IMO the murder thing is going over the top in the absence of solid evidence. I think Rove will spin this as hard as he can...oh, wait...he's done that and it didn't work.

OK. Next, they will create a distraction...oh wait, they already did that with the scary TERRA! TERRA! TERRA! testimony the other day.

None of it seems to have worked very well...hmmmm...maybe suicide IS the next step!!

:tinfoilhat:
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DUgosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 01:18 AM
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79. Yes, your point is it exactly.
Gannon/Guckert needs to appear on EVERY Sunday morning "news" show this Sunday. The quicker he signs on and spills his guts the better. He needs to go to a very safe place until then. He is in GRAVE,SERIOUS danger and not from offing himself but from being offed. Tonight's shakey interview proved that he has realized that.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 11:25 PM
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50. Neh---'lay off GUCKERT/YUCKERT'---------Would KERRY/GORE do that ????? n/
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True_Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 11:37 PM
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57. He's a whore and a hypocrite
I want to know how someone with an alias, a tax evasion problem and
sold sex on the Internet is qualified to cover an administration that won a second term by mining homophobia and preaching family values?
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 11:41 PM
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58. No way.
This guy deserves no quarter. He is a lying POS. He is a willing propaganda tool. He has never had any qualms about fucking with people who did him no personal harm as long as it served to make him a bigshot among his RW peers.

I'm tired of the left laying down for these assholes. This is war. Fuck him. Nuke his ass.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 11:59 PM
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64. He doesn't have to go on CNN
He could go do something else.

He seemed like someone who was trying to do the 'Oh I'm just an idiot kind of guy" (like B**h does - like he had lessons) and deny, deny, deny and blame the Democrats for attacking his personal life.

I thought it was complete bullshit.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 01:07 AM
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76. I wonder...Faux News passed him by? That would be the place, in
my opinion, to try to paint him the victim.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 12:49 AM
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73. I think why he is scared is he knows he's expendable
and he knows too much...

thats fear cause he knows who he is been working for and they don't give a damn about their underlings!!!
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 01:11 AM
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78. I think he had an affair with someone pretty high up
In order to get credentialed the way he did. This could be the "Monica-gate" of this administration.
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icehenge Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 01:22 AM
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80. Be careful
His stuttering eye blinking, uneasiness on camera can be
explained by nervousness but it seems more complicated.

It seems to me that he has already been humiliated
as he didn't want anyone to know about his past history.
So why is he so nervous NOW? What is he afraid of?
Everything is out there on the table right?

Maybe he's afraid of making a "mistake".
Maybe telling the truth, And the Bush team coming after
him to cover up their secrets.

We need him. He is vital to the investigation.

I'm not sure what my message is, but do we need to
destroy the man to get his confession?

We don't want him to end his life out of fear.
Keep the pressure on him but do it skillfully.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 02:37 AM
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83. Which family-values Republicans did he have sex with?
???
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 01:43 AM
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81. Okay, I understand your viewpoint, but I just read Howie's
column for tomorrow. There is no hope for Gannon/Guckert. He is now a Christian being persecuted for his beliefs and so nothing in his past counts. He is without sin. He has absolutely no regrets for the lies, distortions, or his past. He has been absolutely forgiven, his sins washed away as if they never happened, no confession, no atonement, and while he is allowed to attack others using every despicable means in his repertoire, we are not allowed to question him. He is a CHRISTIAN. All that he does is by the direction of GOD.

The man is a total animal.
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MsMagnificent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 02:31 AM
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82. Riiight... like they layed off Monica?
On many things I try to maintain integrity

However, the adage 'what's good for the goose is good for the gander' is a true one, and that is a lesson the Reprobates sorely need to learn.
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TXDemGal Donating Member (600 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 04:00 AM
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87. Ahem...why are you assuming that his man-date biz
is in the past? We've got no evidence of that. In fact, has it not been established that most if not all of the so-called Talon News journalists are, in fact, unpaid volunteers? So where is this 46 (or is it 47) year old man's means of support?

Also, and I'm just late night wondering here, but how did JimmyJeff hook up with (no pun intended) this Bobby Eberle character of GOPUSA anyway? Isn't Eberle in Texas, while Gannon is based on the east coast?
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 05:51 AM
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88. With 'journalists' like that, democracy is the victim,
and by extension, the people are the victim.
And Guckert "himself" is hardly the issue anyway. This is not about his personal life but about his professional life.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 03:56 PM
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90. no no no, this man has betrayed the public, and he is STILL LYING ABOUT IT
so it's way premature, and a big mistake. this story is too new to a lot of people.
gannon, stay well and get yourself a bodyguard, because we want to know how you got as far as you did, this story must be told in full.
how'd you get such a good seat jeff? because "i just asked" isn't cutting it.
spill jim-jeff, then maybe you'll feel like less of a lying piece of shit, and you could rejoin the human race.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 04:01 PM
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91. "Past"?
At least one of his websites is still active!
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 04:49 PM
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97. No Fucking Way! Lay Off??!!!?? KICK HIM IN THE NUTS!!!!
Edited on Sat Feb-19-05 04:50 PM by Beetwasher
Twist the knife. Make him beg on live TV for us to stop and then keep going. This guy is a piece of digusting, hypocritical, Nazi wannabe, filth. He deserves EVERYTHING he's getting and more.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-19-05 09:20 PM
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100. Here is why I will not lay off the personal ridicule.
He was totally OK with all of this UNTIL HE WAS CAUGHT.

He volunteered to be a tool for the Fascists.

Now, I plan to use him as a tool to destroy them.

I hope he DOES put a bullet in his head.
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