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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 02:48 PM
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Gay white supremacists out themselves on the internet.
From the Souther Poverty Law Center site

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?...

(One more nail in the coffin off the assumption that being gay automatically means being liberal.)

"And then there are the gay neo-Nazis.
Talk about a sect within a sect. The members of this tiny subculture on the radical right mainly men who inhabit Web chat rooms like "Gay Aryan Resistance" just can't seem to get any respect

"No matter. Homosexual white men, declares a web page called the Gay Racialist Network (www.geocities.com/ARCOrg/ ), are "nature's elite." While straight men are good for breeding, gay white men are "charismatic leaders that possess ... genius."

Similar messages appear on sites like Gays Against Semitism (www.geocities.com/gasunited/ ), and especially in chat rooms with names such as "Gay Nazi Sex," "Gay Nazi WP Fetishists," "Gay Aryan Neo-Nazi Skinheads," "Nazi Muscle" and, most curious of all, "Diapered Skinheads."

"The Gay Aryan Mann must rise up," writes one impassioned man in the "Gay Aryan Resistance" chat room, "and destroy ZOG and end the Semitic homophobia imposed on our Kultur!"

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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 02:50 PM
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1. Not surprising. Repression begins in yourself
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:19 PM
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20. *Insert KFC joke here*
Look at this idiot:

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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 02:51 PM
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2. "Diapered Skinheads."
I'll never get that image out of my head.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:13 PM
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14. Anyone see CSI last night? Infantilism? O. MI. GOD!
:freak:
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 02:52 PM
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3. This is just bizarre!
Just goes to show that any group can be NUTS! This is just out-there! What is next, Neo-Nazi Jews?! Log Cabin Rethugs are weird enough for me!
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 02:58 PM
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8. Neo Nazi Jews? Lol.
that's one I hadn't though of.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:00 PM
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9. You laugh but they do exist
I was watching a history of the US Nazi Party in the 1970s their leader was not only Jewish, but his father liberated buchemwald
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:15 PM
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17. There are self-loathing '_________' (fill in the blank)
They exist in every category, sadly.
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 02:52 PM
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4. "Talk about a sect within a sect."
I couldn't have said it better myself. :D
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yella_dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 02:52 PM
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5. I hate
gay Illinois Nazis.

-- Jake Blues (sort of)
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 02:54 PM
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7. Why "gay Illinois Nazis" in particular?
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yella_dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:28 PM
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26. It's a quote
from the original "Blues Brothers" movie.

Jake (John Belushi) states: "I hate Illinois Nazis."

Elwood (Dan Akroyd) tromps the throttle and drives a group of protesting Nazis off a bridge into a stream.

You had to be there, I guess.


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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 02:53 PM
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6. I just caught the part about Jews imposing homophobia.
that is rich.

how big a hole do you have to be in not to see that the xtian right is at the forefront of the oppression of just about everybody?
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:08 PM
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12. Puzzling
Edited on Fri Feb-18-05 03:09 PM by IanDB1
<snip>

Similar messages appear on sites like Gays Against Semitism (www.geocities.com/gasunited/ ), and especially in chat rooms with names such as "Gay Nazi Sex," "Gay Nazi WP Fetishists," "Gay Aryan Neo-Nazi Skinheads," "Nazi Muscle" and, most curious of all, "Diapered Skinheads."

<snip>

Any connection to HotMilitaryStuds?



"Diapered Skinheads"????

It looks like Yahoo! pulled their user's group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/malediaperedskinheads /

Too bad. It had 1,442 members.

Did anyone here think there would be 1,442 skinheads with a diaper fetish?
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Stop_the_War Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:03 PM
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10. So fucking what, yeah there are a few wackos, but they
are not part of our community at all.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:13 PM
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15. I don't think anyone here intends to paint the gay community as nazi-like
It's just got that "man-bites-dog" novelty to it.

Gay nazis? Whoda thunk?

Gay nazis in diapers?

It sounds like that thing Jerry Springer did with The Midget KKK.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:14 PM
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16. For God's sake that is the freaking point!!!
we have got to stop claiming all of gaydom as it is clearly not reality. The time is now.

They don't want to let us be gay like we want to be gay, with gettin married and adopting and alla that, yet they say it's because we're gay.

But they have no problem being gay the way they want to be gay, in an undercover self-loathing militaristic circle jerk, while still denying they are gay, and the point is THEY ARE JUST AS GAY AS WE ARE.

We need to deal with their hypocrisy appropriately and the way to do it is to pull back the blinds on their gayness.
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:23 PM
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23. I agree, these are WHITE SUPREMACISTS
Edited on Fri Feb-18-05 03:24 PM by ultraist
This is not about GAYS oppressing others, it's about WHITES oppressing others.

We KNOW that Gays are not the power holders, but whites are. To focus on the gay aspect and demonize gays is to totally miss the big picture of what is happening here. The gay community is NOT the perpetrator.

Those sites might be run by white heteros for all we know, set up to demonize gays. HOW DO WE KNOW they are gays? If they are, it's a very small subculture of the gay community.
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:08 PM
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11. Gannon used to write for "Boot To The Skull" website
they call themselves and anti-illegal immigrant website. I'm not saying their neo-nazis or anything...i'm just saying...
http://www.boottotheskull.com/
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:11 PM
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13. Make sure the other bloggers like Kos, etc. don't miss that detail
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:15 PM
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18. Bush's Culture of HATE is becoming more mainstream
This is just the type of thing that is becoming more acceptable. I read an article about an Ok KKK group that was publicly recruiting and working on gaining political clout. A big segregationist move is happening.

I've also noticed people are becoming more comfortable with HATE speech. ANTI-Muslims, ANTI-Blacks, ANTI-gays, ANTI-foreigners, ANTI-non *Christians*, etc.

It's not a coincidence that HATE GROUPS are on the rise. Bad things are happening here and we should be on alert.

My guess is, that non-whites in general, but Blacks specifically, will be the main target since they are the largest minority group, thus pose the most threat to power. People are feeling desperate to hold onto their power during these stressful times.

Forms of segregation can be insideous or overt. The hate crime groups are overt about claiming their superiority (segregationist attitudes) but this attitude is also seen in more subtle forms such as when people deny a power differential exists to maintain their "superiority."

http://www.almaz.com/nobel/peace/MLK-jail.html

Excerpt from Martin Luther King's Letter from Birmingham, Alabama

"...segregation distort the soul and damages the personality. It gives the segregator a false sense of superiority and the segregated a false sense of inferiority. Segregation, to use the terminology of the Jewish philosopher Martin Buber, substitutes an "I-it" relationship for an "I-thou" relationship and ends up relegating persons to the status of things. Hence segregation is not only politically, economically and sociologically unsound, it is morally wrong and awful. Paul Tillich said that sin is separation. Is not segregation an existential expression 'of man's tragic separation, his awful estrangement, his terrible sinfulness?"
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:23 PM
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22. My prediction: Gays, Arabs, Jews, Handicapped, Blacks, Catholics, Liberals
Or something in that order is how things will go down.



Hispanics and environmental activists will be in there somewhere, too, along with intellectuals and other activists.



Although Arabs and Muslims might go first before the gay people.




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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:34 PM
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27. Interesting post!
Edited on Fri Feb-18-05 03:36 PM by ultraist
And interesting "list." You think that the smallest (by numbers) group will be first? That's plausible in that it's easy to destroy a group that is minute in size compared to the oppressor group.

But doesn't it seem that they would want to destroy the oppressed group that poses the most threat first? What oppressed group has the most powerful political voice? (BTW, I don't consider "white liberals" to be all that oppressed at this stage, relative to other groups; we have the Democratic party and LOTS of white liberal power holders). I assume you mean white hetero liberals.

I'm seeing gays and Blacks being heavily attacked. I think it will be gays or Blacks first.

What percentage of the population is LGBT?
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:59 PM
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28. My reasoning (or what I think is reasoning)
My prediction: Gays, Arabs, Jews, Handicapped, Blacks, Catholics, Liberals

Think not just in terms of numbers, but in terms of political empowerment and popularity.

Right now, the two most unpopular minorities in the country are gays and Arabs/Muslims (I group them together because most of the public sees them as one in the same).

You can thank Bush for this agenda.

Of all minority groups, gays and middle-easterners have had the sharpest increase in hate crimes against them.

You have anti-gay legislation being passed. Anti-gay amendments in 11 states.

Just about every fundamentalist group would be glad to see the gays sent away for "repairative therapy."

Next, the Arabs and Muslims.

We're already profiling them at airports and rounding them up without charges or access to lawyers. In other words, we already have special camps for them, and those camps are getting full.

One could argue it is already happening to them, and they've beaten the gay people off the starting blocks.

After the gay people, they are wildly unpopular and mistrusted.

Plus, we can conveniently blame them for 9-11.

Or for whatever retaliation we receive after we attack Iran or Syria.

Next, the Jews.

Even though 85% of Jews are in favor of gay rights, I think the number of Jews who feel comfortable around Muslims is probably smaller.

Bush is already spreading the seeds of anti-semitism here at home. For example, they're leaking memos that an "Israeli Spy" might be partially to blame for screwing-up our occupation of Iraq.

And in the catastrophic days after our next war with Iran or Syria-- which is certain to suck Israel into the fight-- you can bet many people here will blame Israel and "The Jews" for it.

This is already happening especially in Europe where tensions over the Palestinian conflict are cited for the dramatic increase in anti-semitic hate crimes.

So, once the Gays, Muslims and Jews are out of the way, who's next?

Presented in no particular order:

The mentally ill
The physically handicapped
Catholics
Black people
Hispanic people
Liberals
Intellectuals (professors, scientists, etc.)
Activists-- starting with the anti-war and environmental activists
Feminists
And various people and organizations that sympathize with any of the above

Eventually, you'll have a country of white people who are:

Southern Baptist
Pentecostal
Evangelical
Scientologist
Unification Church (Unless Moon treads to heavily on Bush's turf).

Those are who Bush has been throwing his money at and have gained his favor.

That is my worst-case formulation of Bush's plans.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:24 PM
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24. Bush "cultured" the hate groups' support.
Being the radicals that the Bush cabal are,...it's not at all surprising that so many fringe elements are on the rise.

I just shake my head.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:17 PM
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19. they should have a chat with the anti-gay white supremacists
and then decide which side they're on
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:21 PM
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21. apparently they are superior to those men.
those men they consider to be breeders, while they are themselves supperior and "charismatic leaders."

I'm feeling woozy.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 03:25 PM
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25. Actually, they need to meet the anti-gay black Muslims
I hear that if they touch one another, they cancel one another out in a burst of pure energy that can be calculated with the formula E=MC2
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-18-05 04:25 PM
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29. so it should be an interesting chat
i imagine both claiming "some are more supreme then others"
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