I fucking hate republicans.

[porphyrian]

Pieces of traitorous shit, all.

[Roland99]

1. The last good Republican was apparently Eisenhower

[ohkay]

2. Well that was constructive.

[Bouncy Ball]

8. Well THAT was constructive.

LOL.

[Mr_Spock]

111. Well, THAT was constructive

Is there an end to this?

[UdoKier]

Nah, just TRUE.

nt

[Stop_the_War]

7. The last good Republican was Lincoln...and that's it..

but back then Republicans were politically Democrat..so one can say there has never been a good republican LOL

[Igel]

19. 2nd inaugural address ...

concluded:

"With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations."

[Minstrel Boy]

39. He wasn't THAT good.

Thanks to Eisenhower, a united Vietnam didn't have elections in 1956, because Ho Chi Minh would have won. The resulting American-led war cost millions of Vietnamese lives, and at the end, Vietnam was still communist. (Though Ho died before seeing victory.)

Thanks to Eisenhower, Guatamala and Iran saw their progressive democratic governments overthrown, and hundreds of thousands of deaths since, and a world of geopolitical hurt for the US, can be attributed to the coups over the years.

Thanks to Eisenhower, Cuban policy is what it is today.

Yeah, nice "military-industrial complex" mea culpa farewell speech, but what the fuck did he do about when he could have done something about it, but watch it grow?

[ktowntennesseedem]

47. Wrong, the last good Republican is Jeffords.

and any other Republican that you add the word "former-" in front of Republican.

[rndmprsn]

Eisenhower Quote

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children... This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron."

Dwight D. Eisenhower
PRESIDENTIAL address, April 16, 1953

[Roland99]

66. That's what I was talking about.

[stpalm]

129. Cross of Iron....

clever- an homage perhaps to the great William Jennings Brian?

Could you imagine any of todays repukes saying that? lol

[El Fuego]

149. So if I follow your logic....

... a good republican is a dead republican?

(disclaimer: just joking!! sorta)

[mhr]

3. My Enmity For The Freepers, Fundies, And Conservative Ditto Heads

is unbounded!

[Stop_the_War]

4. ME TOO!

[WilliamPitt]

5. I don't

I hate fake-ass neocons passing themselves off as conservatives, and Taliban Christians who have poisoned the well.

There is a difference.

[porphyrian]

10. Maybe, but I hold them all accountable.

If they can't or won't police their numbers, fuck them all.

[Zenlitened]

45. Seconded.

If there are republicans out there who don't wish to be tarred with the same brush, let 'em speak up and reclaim their party, if they think that's possible.

If they want to stand up for traditional American ideals of liberty, opportunity and leadership in the world... let them become Democrats!

[Bouncy Ball]

48. And there ARE republicans out there (and even here on DU)

who have done that very thing---who have spoken up and said this isn't my party, they left me. And they voted for Kerry.

As for the rest of them, if you voted for bush, hell yeah I oppose you.

[Zenlitened]

55. Absolutely, but I'd say "former" republicans.

They had the sense to join us. They came over to our side, and I salute their willingness and ability to do the right thing.

This talk of how we should make overtures to those who refuse to budge -- I agree, that's just bullshit. To hell with them, leave 'em behind.

[Jackie97]

109. Some have spoken up against their crazy as hell party.....

but still voted for Bush because they still thought he was the "less of the two evils". Shouldn't we try to figure out what the heck their problem is?

[Zenlitened]

122. Nope, we should focus on how we can sharpen our message...

... better articulate our beliefs, and stand up for the principles that traditionally have united Americans. Those who are willing and able to join us, will. Those who can't or won't... forget 'em.

Trying to "win over" republicans is a poor strategy, in my view, when there is a far greater pool of disaffected non-voters out there, hankering for a message and a candidate to inspire them.

[Tomee450]

74. Doesn't appear to

be too many Republicans willing to go against their party. The moderates seems to have vanished. Even the so called moderate Republicans in Congress march lock step with the extremists. They rarely oppose the leadership.

[Bouncy Ball]

98. Exactly what I've noticed.

There ARE some "everyday" republicans who have gone against their party and been pretty out about it. I know many.

But the elected ones? They just go along with it.

[Ladyhawk]

136. Well, hell, a lot of Dems aren't even opposing **. n/t

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[Zenlitened]

87. Uh, how does criticism of JK equal support for Bush?

Everyone here has criticisms of one sort or another. That's what distinguishes us from the freepiots -- we're able to cast a critical eye on ourselves and our candidates, rather than wallowing in party-worship.

True, some here take it too far or lose a sense of proportion sometimes, but criticizing a Dem does not equal support for Bush, not in a direct sense at any rate. Believe me, you'll know when DU hates someone! There'll be no doubt!

[Ladyhawk]

135. I keep telling myself this, but all the Republicans I know...

are neocons or Taliban Christians. Do I not know the right Republicans?

[Bouncy Ball]

6. Vile, evil, nasty little foul lumps of deformity, all.

I wouldn't vote for one if you peeled off all my toenails with a pair of pliers then ran hot piano wire through both of my eyes. I fight their nasty little destructive hateful dark agenda with every fiber of my being, every day of my life.

[ohkay]

13. NO!

That is 100% the WRONG way to look at politics. The problem with this country is people who feel that way! " I would NEVER vote for a Democrat, even though Bush is ruining this country". You don't honestly think that EVERYBODY with an R after their name is an oily, mustache twirling evil villain, while Dems are superhero's with a Bright and Shining D on their capes do you???

You have to take a look at the politician, and vote on the issue and the person. Not the party. Using absolutism is dangerous

[porphyrian]

20. Too late.

That argument only held water two elections ago. Now, anyone who still chooses to be republican intentionally stands behind a bunch of criminal fucking traitors to this country and to humanity. Anyone that morally corrupt can go fuck themselves, I'm done with them.

[Bouncy Ball]

23. You said it much better than I did.

Hey ohkay (like you're fooling anyone), it's TOO LATE FOR THAT.

Too damn late.

[ohkay]

31. What state do you live in?

Do you have local elections? State senators? council men? Do you think they are ALL bad if they are Republicans? Every single member of the republican party, from Bush down to the town selectemen in East Twinkie Illinois, are rotten to the core evil beings?

[Bouncy Ball]

36. Excuse me, I live in Texas

THE BREEDING GROUND FOR VILE NASTY REPUKES.

I have what is probably the WORST state representative in Austin EVER and he's a republican through and through.

He wants to make it legal to bring guns into schools, churches, and hospitals. He has NEVER explained why, but read on for possible motivations.

He has voted against funding schools and textbooks a record SEVENTEEN TIMES. He has NEVER voted yes for school funding or books. Never.

He got a measure passed to cut out poor womens' access to birth control in this state.

He owns a private prison consulting/building business on the side, as well as a gun shop and a couple of gun ranges.

(Think about that---wouldn't it behoove him to keep up a nice stable prison population given what he does for a living on the side? That is disgusting.)

He was BUSTED running his private business out of his taxpayer-funded offices in Austin.

I could go on and on but you get the idea, hopefully by now. Some of the WORST repukes come from right here.

[ohkay]

38. Ahh. Texas.

Ok, Well I live in MA, so all of our R's ( with the exception of that lying bastard govenor) are usually moderate.

But read my further post- the party will change, be it in 2 years or 20, and at that time, you have to be willing to see how EACH party changes.

[Bouncy Ball]

42. Living in MA can make a big difference in your outlook, I am sure.

I have watched these nasty creatures carve up Texas with glee in the redistricting, like kids in a candy store.

One Dem now has a district that cuts a one mile wide swath through EIGHTEEN counties, from south Austin to the COAST OF TEXAS.

Yeah. They did that hoping to oust him and forcing him to campaign in that many counties. He managed to barely win. But most Dems were victims of the repukes redistricting in Texas.

They will not rest until they have it all. Playing fair is NOT in their vocabulary, compromise is a concept lost on them.

Thus I oppose them with everything I have and at every turn. Their policies and practices are HARMFUL to our country. And I'm making an understatement.

[ohkay]

51. That sucks.

you should move.

I say that only partially tongue in cheek. Our republicans probably look a lot like your democrats. They both have to go far, far center.

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[Bouncy Ball]

99. Uh, HELLO, NO is a big step forward for SOME elected Dems

who have only been saying "OK" for the past few years.

No is a BIG step in the right direction and NOT inconsistent at all with what Dean says. One of Dean's MAJOR points is that we must oppose the republicans.

You might want to go brush up on what Dean says before you go around lecturing Democrats.

[Zenlitened]

105. Pretty cheeky, huh?

I just love to be told how to be a good Democrat, don't you? And the tone is charming too.

[Bouncy Ball]

106. Oh yes, very.

Off to do an advanced search! I just love that feature!

[Bouncy Ball]

113. Hey reallygone

are you still going all over DU telling all us Democrats how we should support bush's plan for privatizing social security?

LMAO!

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[Puglover]

67. Yeah I do Ohkay

every selfish corrupted one of them. PERIOD.

[apple_ridge]

115. Amen to that!!! That's exactly how I explain it to people when

I say that I will no longer associate with Republicans, even those who have been lifelong friends.

[Bouncy Ball]

21. Hmmm, the last person who told me that was a bush voter.

In fact, they spent about three months before the election trying to convince me of that very same argument you just used.

That is what I USED to do, years ago, before the rise of these nasty little shits.

No more. If you associate yourself with the repukes, you know EXACTLY what you are associating yourself with. If you truly don't know, then you are too ignorant to get my vote anyway.

Elliot Ness never said about Al Capone, "Well, let's look past his actions, I mean he might be a nice guy INSIDE."

[ohkay]

27. sigh

So if a moderate republican, someone with a great record on social issues but was fiscally conservative, ran against a dem who was said the right thing but had a terrible voting record, and was someone you didn't trust.. you would vote for the Dem?

Ok. So.. what flavor is your Kool aid?

And for the record, I've never voted for a republican in my life. But I sure as hell won't rule it out.

[Bouncy Ball]

33. I'll rule it out.

As long as the republican party, as it is now, stands for the things it stands for now, there is NO WAY I would vote for any of them.

In the case you mentioned, you failed to remember there are ALWAYS other options. They are called third parties, and I don't want to hear any insulting ass bullshit about wasting my vote. It's MY vote and I HAVE cast it for third parties before. I have never voted for a repuke in my life, not even for city dog catcher.

Why?

I've never, I repeat NEVER, known a good one running for office. Period. I live in Texas, and have all my life.

The last time halfway decent republicans ran for office, I was too young to vote for them.

No, they don't get my vote. Ever. It would take MASSIVE reform within their party and a complete change of their party platform and ideals for that to happen.

[ohkay]

35. NOW we are agreeing!

"It would take MASSIVE reform within their party and a complete change of their party platform and ideals for that to happen."

That could happen. It might take decades, but how old are you? How long do you plan to live in this country.

You see where I;m going with this? The Neo-cons time of power is not going to last. There will be a backlash inside the republican party, and if the people who are so sour on them now, refuse to EVER listen to what they have to say in twenty years, we give OUR party the right to abuse our loyalty.

[Bouncy Ball]

37. I'm NOT giving my party the right to abuse my loyalty.

Did you catch the stuff I wrote about third parties? Dems are VERY good (almost too good) at holding their own party members' feet to the fire, THAT is not what I'm worried about.

[ohkay]

41. GOOD!

Stay that way! But if there is a backlash, and the Neo -cons are purged and the Christine Todd Whitmans are in charge of the GOP, I will listen to what they have to say without getting all, "Republicans are evil", automatically.

Do you understand why it worries me to hear people state, categorically, that all republicans are evil?

[Bouncy Ball]

43. You need to understand something here.

Most of us are saying this after years of watching this shit happen and with no voice in the media.

I am not an unreasonable person. I hope to GOD the more moderate, halfway fucking reasonable, DECENT people in the republican party (are there any left???) take back their damn party.

But until then, I fight them, totally and completely, and hasten their downfall.

[ohkay]

49. I agree 100%

That is different than saying, " I will never, under any circumstances, vote for a Republican."

I am NOT advocating voting for these people, but I'm afriad that the youth of this country ( says the ancient 26 yr old ) will become strict party loyalists and never question what a democrat would do.

[Bouncy Ball]

50. You don't know Democrats very well then, LOL!

Just look on this thread! There's a post where someone throws in the elected Dems they don't like in the same pot, too.

We have NO problem holding our own accountable. If Kerry had been elected, I was prepared to be watching him like a fucking hawk. My party, to put it bluntly, is not made up of blind followers.

Where we ARE very united is in our opposition to the republicans. And that, as Martha Stewart would say, is a good thing.

[Raksha]

134. If the Republican party ever reforms and the neocons are purged...

...they are STILL gonna have to explain to me why they went along with these criminals for as long as they did! The absolute best-case scenario is that they would go back to be being "old-style" traditional small-government Republicans. Okay, that's better than being a criminal but it's still nothing I sympathize with. I am a third-generation LIBERAL Democrat. I didn't support small-government states' rights Republicans in the Sixties, so just WHY the hell would I support them now?

[porphyrian]

71. Just to butt in on one point...

How many failures to defeat the neo-cons should we accept in order to allow these "good" republicans the time to take their party back, assuming that is anyone's agenda in the first place? How much more damage to our country and what it stands for will that involve? I can't speak for you, but from where I'm standing, we've already waited too long to stop them. If there are republicans who don't agree with the direction their party is going, they need to start fighting now or they are traitors through complicity.

[Bouncy Ball]

100. Exactly.

I think it's interesting everytime a thread like this is started, a few pop up chiding others and telling us we should just sit back and wait for the republicans to reform themselves.

Uh, ok, meanwhile there won't be anything left by the time they get done with this country.

No thanks. I'm fighting. (And these people are HIGHLY transparent in their motives, by the way.)

[Zenlitened]

107. Shhhhh... they think they're being subtle.

[Bouncy Ball]

110. They DO??? Seriously?

They really think that?

BWA!

The tired old "now, now 'WE' shouldn't do this or we'll NEVER win!" bullshit is so worn out, you'd think they would have come up with something new by NOW.

[Zenlitened]

146. Well, they used to...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[beyurslf]

40. I may not think that every R is as vile as Bush, but I can't imagine an

election where the R was a BETTER choice than the D. I am Dem because I disagree with the R's about everything! I may not always agree with the Dems but even when I disagree with Dems I still dont agree with the R's

[ohkay]

44. Ok, that makes sense

But that can change. And if you form an absolute political opinion that you will not change, you are just voting party line, and that's what the freepers do.

[beyurslf]

127. Oh course. I won't vote for a D just because they are a D, especially here

in KS. We have some D's that I honestly don't know what makes them be in the party. Anti union, anti choice, anti gay, anti environment, pro guns, pro corporate welfare, pro school choice. I mean,I know we can vary on some things, but on everything?

[Bouncy Ball]

46. I've read the party platform for both parties

every single election year. I've read the state party platform for both parties for Texas every election year.

I can't begin to describe how much I disagree with the republican party platform and how much I agree with the Dem one.

It is pretty much as simple as that, when you get right down to it.

I know the party platform isn't THE party, but it is there for a reason.

[Tomee450]

78. Well I have

to disagree. There was a time when I could vote for a moderate Republican, but not now. It seems for many Republicans,it's the party before the country. How could they go along with all the things currently being done to this country. Civil rights are being eroded,severe attacks on the poor, greater and greater wealth for the rich while many more citizens sink into deep poverty, attempts to stack the court with right wing judges, attempts to discriminate against homosexuals, attempts to get rid of separation of church and state, manipulation of the press. It seems to me at some point, if you love your country you say I can no longer go along with this. It's sad to see how the Republican party has changed. I can't think of any Republican that I could vote for. I don't hate Republicans but it is hard to respect people who would support the ideas some in the Republican party are putting forth. Some of those ideas will have a lasting negative effect on our country, IMHO. I think a few years down the road, people are going to wake up and wonder how this was allowed to happen.

[Jackie97]

112. You wouldn't vote for a Republican?

If you had a choice between Arnold from California (who pretty much holds the same values as Democrats in a lot of areas) and Zell (who pretty much acts like a Republican), are you saying you would choose Zell?

[Bouncy Ball]

124. I'd choose third party in that case, as neither of the choices

are any good, in my opinion.

And what a false choice. Like I'm ever going to have to choose between the Gropenator and Zell. LOL!

[rjx]

9. I will NOT date anyone that is Republican

No fucking way. Even if she is respectful and full of love, I just can't be with someone with those values.

[porphyrian]

16. If she was respectful, full of love and republican...

...she'd be a big fucking hypocrite in denial, and definitely too psycho to date.

[Bouncy Ball]

18. how could a republican be respectful and full of love anyway?

All of them I know only have niceness on the surface, if that. Scratch the surface and find all kinds of vile shit. Racism, bigotry, homosexual hatred, self-loathing, sexism, ageism, classism, complete and total bias against any other country besides the US, etc.

It's worse than peering into a sewer.

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[Zenlitened]

88. Welcome to DU.

You have an, um, interesting way of jumping into the conversation.

[More Than A Feeling]

143. I will be dating one soon

she supported Kerry.

[Nitrogenica]

11. Funny---repug co-worker doesn't know anything about Gannon. Hate it.

[Mr_Spock]

114. You must do as I do - tell it to ANYONE WHO WILL LISTEN

It's amazing how few people have heard about this story. When I'm finished, EVERYONE WILL KNOW!!

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

12. I don't hate anybody

And I hope moderate Republicans will come to their senses and stop supporting the idiocy set forth by their party

[porphyrian]

30. If you don't hate anybody, you aren't paying attention.

Hey, hate is a shitty emotion, and I don't hold it against you for choosing not to experience it. However, I've got a full hate-on for these fucking traitors, and I can't wait to see them go down.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

56. No if I don't hate anybody I am simply not punishing myself for their

existance. That doesn't mean I am not angry.

[Zenlitened]

60. That's cool. I think too often people are afraid of anger.

They're afraid to acknowledge it, failing to realize that anger is a natural -- and sensible -- response to the horrible things the repukes are doing to our country. It's what we do with our anger that matters -- and what we allow it to do to ourselves, as you've pointed out.

I see hate as much the same as anger -- it's just an emotion, and we can use it to guide us just as we do love and happiness. But that's largely semantics, at this point... hate, anger, anger, hate. Just nouns. We all know what we're up against, and we're all finding ways to fight it, no matter which noun we choose.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

83. I see it differently and here is the distinction I draw

Anger is the emotion...hatred is the manifestation of unchecked anger...that's really just me..I don't expect others to follow suit.

[Zenlitened]

90. I see what you're saying. :)

[porphyrian]

65. Point taken. Thanks for clarifying. - n/t

[Chicago Democrat]

14. Hatred of any class of people is foolish and wrong. Instead, redirect

your anger toward the Republican ideas and policy positions and try to develope compassion and feelings of love towards all people. This is the only way we can ever acheive progress in our society is to have a respectful, honest and loving discussion. That can't happen if you "fucking hate all republicans".

[porphyrian]

34. No one choosing to remain republican at this time deserves compassion.

In fact, anyone who is not actively railing against this traitorous fucking administration is complicit in its actions and are themselves traitors. If they don't want to be painted with a broad brush, let's see them do something. Otherwise, fuck them all.

[Strelnikov_]

61. "We Didn't Know Said The Burgomeister"

"We Didn't Know" From "Ain't That News", 1965
By: Tom Paxton

We didn't know said the Burgomeister,
About the camps on the edge of town.
It was Hitler and his crew,
That tore the German nation down.
We saw the cattle cars it's true,
And maybe they carried a Jew or two.
They woke us up as they rattled through,
But what did you expect me to do?

...Chorus:
...We didn't know at all,
...We didn't see a thing.
...You can't hold us to blame,
...What could we do?
...It was a terrible shame,
...But we can't bear the blame.
...Oh no, not us, we didn't know.

We didn't know said the congregation,
Singing a hymn in a church of white.
The Press was full lf lies about us,
Preacher told us we were right.
The outside agitators came.
They burned some chruches and put the blame,
On decent southern people's names,
To set our colored people aflame.
And maybe some of our boys got hot,
And a couple of niggers and reds got shot,
They should have stayed where they belong,
And preacher would've told us if we'd done wrong.

Chorus:

We didn't know said the puzzled voter,
Watching the President on TV.
I guess we've got to drop those bombs,
If we're gonna keep South Asia free.
The President's such a peaceful man,
I guess he's got some kind of plan.
They say we're torturing prisoners of war,
But I don't believe that stuff no more.
Torturing prisoners is a communist game,
And You can bet they're doing the same.
I wish this war was over and through,
But what do you expect me to do?

Chorus:

[porphyrian]

64. I love artists. - n/t

[DrWeird]

73. Republicans aren't a "class of people"

It's an ideology. People choose to become Republicans. We're judging them based on the content of their character.

Fucking savages.

[porphyrian]

75. Lechiam! - n/t

[Chicago Democrat]

150. People are also lied to and misinformed. I bet over one-half of

"republicans" hold beliefs that are in error due to Bush propaganda.

[CityZen-X]

15. Add To Your Pot

A few Democrats, such as Dianne Frankenstein, and a whole lot of traitorous Rebublicrats!

[porphyrian]

54. Sure, Zell is definitely a fucking traitor.

Anyone who would run a smear campaign against a man who lost limbs defending this country is a sorry piece of shit.

[Coventina]

17. I fucking hate Bush voters.

Every one of them needs to get their asses to Iraq NOW and clean up the mess they've made.

[truebrit71]

22. Abso-frickin'-lutely..

Effing hypocrites.....

[TWiley]

25. Better yet, let them pay for the war as well.

[ohkay]

52. NOW THAT

I can get behind!!

[porphyrian]

57. Or, at least, send THEIR kids over to die. - n/t

[TWiley]

24. I hate em too. But not the "republican fad" victims.

It is a "fad" to listen to that vulgar country music, wave a flag, go to church, support the war, and to be a republican". I can forgive someone for being weak enough to succumb to a Fad.

I do not like the evil bastards who know what the deal is and keep the shit coming on.

[Bouncy Ball]

26. I don't have any forgiveness for any of them.

They all have at least three brain cells to rub together. They all have the capacity to open their fucking eyes, but they would RATHER be led by the nose and lied to, never caring about the damage it's doing to this country or the world.

Nope, no sympathy for ANY of them. If you voted for bush, you have blood on your hands, because you said OKELY-DOKELY to an immoral, unjust war of aggression on a country that DID NOTHING TO US.

[TWiley]

145. I really must agree with 95% of your viewpoint.

I feel exactly the same way.

There is another point that may be worthwhile to consider though. The new republicans, you know, the "fad victims", those with only 2 brain cells. They only know how to do one thing well, and that is to become another fish in the school.

Well, one day they may be schooling for us.

Religious people are taught to "accept things by faith alone". This basically means that you can sell them bullshit without the inconvenience of providing proof. The bushtapo employees this same principle to their policy. This is the mortar in the dam which keeps the truth from running out.

Ya just never know which news story might provide that first little crack in their mud. The little fishie's mind is opened up a little more for the next news story. Soon they begin to question, and to do that requires some proof. Whoopsie, so much for faith; we are learning to make decisions on a different basis.

I am looking for a point of erosion in their dam which will naturally take more of their backfill with it as the truth begins to leak out. Ya just cant tell which story will do that. One example, the farmers are pissed because shrub cut their cash flow. The farmers dam may be starting to leak. Maybe, as a group, they too will begin to develop critical thinking skills. Maybe they will mindlessly school for us? They will mindlessly school for someone. It is their nature.

But the loudmouths, flag wavers, Limbaugh clones, Fuck 'em all. I have to agree. Let them get screwed by the same administration that they thought would NOT screw them because they cast the "patriotic and moral" vote.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

28. I hate murders too.

[Dangerman]

29. I agree.

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59. Does Grovelbot Hate Republicans? n/t

[DS1]

53. Guess what. They hate you.

[porphyrian]

58. No, hate is a human emotion.

They are just reacting to things they can't understand in a predictable manner.

[formerrepuke]

62. Take it easy with the hate-talk.

At the risk of getting banned from DU, I feel I should provide some perspective. As a former repug (Reagan, BushI), I have observed that a large number of them (voters, that is, not the administration) are acually very nice people.. but very, very, very clueless. It takes kind of mental evolution to break free of the conservative mind-set. The ability to see reality isn't easy for a lot of people, or even possible for some.. but hate-talk isn't exactly going to lure people left of the center line.

[porphyrian]

68. Sorry, I stopped babying them two elections ago.

The third time you ignore the alarm, it needs to be smashed over your fucking head. If you still have the patience to gently rouse the nice people, you better get to them before me.

[Bouncy Ball]

69. If you are a FORMER repuke,

you won't get banned.

Welcome to DU!

As for the hate talk, sometimes we vent on DU, no biggie. I realize it's a public board, but in my opinion, the constructive stuff on here far outweighs threads like this.

Did that make sense?

And agreed, it is hard to break free of the mindset. I've seen some people struggle to, only to fail.

[ernstbass]

63. I hate em too - the fuckers and the celibates!

[edbermac]

70. I hate fucking Republicans...

Because that's how they breed, producing new generations of sub-mental morans...

[Trish1168]

72. Used to be one....I've switched sides and I hate them too

Once upon a time, in this land not so far away, there was such a thing as a moderate republican. They weren't all that rare. I know its hard to imagine, since now they're as common as a bigfoot sighting, but really, they did exist.

They were reasonable people, who believed in science, education and some even believed in a woman's right to choose. They were republican, because they didn't like big intrusive government, but they did like government and felt many programs were important and successful. They just wanted the money to be spent wisely.

Then one day, these people known as moderate republicans were attacked by the religious right....just for being different. It started innocently, with the usual level of ridicule in politics, but then it mushroomed out of control, with orders of conformity or extinction. The moderate is now virtually extinct. They keep a few in cages, and they let them out of the cages at election time. They get paraded around with the other republicans so that people think they're more abundant than they are. But then they get locked back up again, and they are hunted, even in their cages. This way they will get learned helplessness. This is what they tried to do to the democrats too. For a while it worked, but anger and resilience is building.

Unlike the moderate republican, the democrats are not an enagered species.

So, to help the democrats...I have joined the party, made contributions to the DNC and move-on....I have even joined the ACLU.

I do not want the democrat to become as rare as the moderate republican. I want this tale to end happily ever after.

[porphyrian]

77. Welcome aboard, and watch your step.

Some of us bite for no apparent reason. From the sound of it, though, you're much safer here anyway.

[Trish1168]

79. I think I was one all along, and bought into the brainwashing

Its an awakening....I imagine its how a gay person feels when they finally realize they're gay. I finally realized that my ideology as a social liberal and fiscal-responsible actually makes me a democrat.

The GOP appears to be insane...you know, like getting rid of stuff like the bill of rights and instigating all these wars, etc. Never mind the rob from the poor to give to the rich.

These are not my values....and thank you for the welcome.

[ailsagirl]

137. I applaud your perspicacity in becoming a Dem

Welcome!!

[Name removed]

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[TinyAshes]

80. Sticking it

Everytime i see a bush sticker, i think of death, and dumb people.

[reallygone]

86. Attitude!

I am really surprised that you have a "Constitution" logo with that kind of an attitude. Geeeeeeesh. Get a life!

You talk like the stereotype of a Democrat that inS-Hannity and Rush-ian always apply to Liberals/Progressives.

[Zenlitened]

104. That's quite a bizarre leap of "logic"

Equating Bush with his destructive policies and the people who support him... that somehow reinforces the nonsense spouted by Hannity and Limbaugh?

Turn that shit off, if you haven't already. You're giving them way too much credit.

[ailsagirl]

138. Everytime I see a * sticker, it literally makes me feel sick

And I will think that person is a nincompoop, a sadist, or evil.

They say not to judge too hastily but what else can we conclude when he hear/see someone touting that imbecile???

[porphyrian]

81. That's why I dump it out.

These fuckers just keep filling me back up, though.

[Name removed]

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[thebigidea]

93. yeah, you sure are doing things right. Iraq is going great!

great job on the deficits. great job on bringing this country together - yeah, its this poster's fault... not Bush.

he certainly has nothing to do with today's political climate.

and the RNC convention? why, there was no hate there. zell miller, purple heart bandaids, etc etc.

feel the love of the republican party!

when I look at Richard Perle's face, I see goodness...

Sorry, the days of Tom "i'm deeply concerned" Daschle are over. We are going to call you and your kind on your shit and kick Santorumites in the fucking teeth until the name Bush and the word "republican" is degraded and despised even more than it is today.

Its a New American Century, kid. So bring it on.

[Zenlitened]

94. How can you even live with yourselves?

How can you even look at yourselves in the mirror?

Why do you hate America?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

95. By your post you are admitting it is your goal to have people hate you

Do you not realize there are unintended consequences to evoking such emotions in people? Do you really want that? Is that your goal? Seems foolish to me to want to have hatred directed at you or think that if people hate you you are then doing something right?

I'd proceed with caution...remember..be careful for what you ask for...you might just get it and it might not fit your picture.

[porphyrian]

97. We also call you the party of intolerance.

Thanks for reinforcing our beliefs.

[Bouncy Ball]

102. You aren't going to last long!

Buh-bye! I hope everyone remembers that little button to the bottom left of the post. Make LIBERAL use of it! LMAO!

[RedSpartan]

91. Nassty Republicansesss...

Tricksy! Rotten! False!

[Jackie97]

92. I don't.

Really, this whole "you're either with us or against us" shit was invented by Republicans like Bush. Do we really have to be like them? I'm really sick of it. I really, really am. I wish life was this simple. It's not. It's really not. As Kerry told Bush, (paraphrasing) things are not black and white.

Plus, we're not going to get the majority moderate vote by declaring hatred for Republicans. I hate it that they do it to us, but think of how much power we could have if the moderate majority caught ONLY their hatred for us and saw that most of us weren't the same the other way around.

[Bouncy Ball]

116. DU is NOT the Democratic party.

You have to get that in your mind first.

Secondly a lot of times these threads serve as "vents."

In other words, don't take it so seriously. If you really are a Democrat, take a deep breath, we are VENTING.

If you are not, and you are lecturing us under the disguise of acting like a Democrat, well....enjoy your stay.

[porphyrian]

117. What part of "I fucking hate republicans" included you?

Waste your time losing elections chasing that imaginary moderate vote that's eluded us every time we've sought it if you like, just stop trying to steer the Democratic party that way. We can't afford it. I'm fed up, and if you don't like it, I didn't ask you anyway.

On Edit: added an "it."

[QC]

144. Yeah, throwing drama tantrums on a message board is so productive. n/t

[Raksha]

141. That "moderate majority" is a myth.

How many "moderates" are there left who haven't come over to our side already? And if so, they know EXACTLY why we hate Bush and the Republicans. The hardcore Bush supporters on another board I frequent are always pulling this "moderate" crap on me too, i.e. "Don't you think you're alienating THE MODERATES with all this negativity and hatred?" I ask them if they've ever voted for Clinton or ANY Democrat, and that usually shuts them up right there!

[Just Me]

96. I hate every harmful thing done by the radical right-wing!!!

I despise and oppose the radical right-wingers and absolutely HATE the horrible things they have done and continue to do!!!!

[leftofthedial]

101. they all need to be dealt with

they are either fascist lying traitors

or enablers of fascist lying traitors

[Jackie97]

108. That sounds like something a Republican would say....

about us.

One thing that turned me off of conservatives so much was their idea that anybody who wasn't like them was the enemy. I sometimes see them as people who could get us killed without meaning to. After all, if we're traitors to the country for opposing a war and the death penalty is legal, then why wouldn't we be executed? It makes sense to me. They don't realize what the hell they're saying when they say stuff like that.

Anyway, saying the same thing about them the other way around and saying that they need to be "dealt with" makes me have flashbacks.

I'm a little worried that leftists are becoming like conservatives. The one thing I love about leftists is that they're not conservatives.

[porphyrian]

119. "I'm a little worried that leftists are becoming like conservatives."

Luckily, you're wrong. That's just how the DLC has been trying to steer us in the last three miserably-failed major elections.

[Bouncy Ball]

123. It's ironic, isn't it?

That's JUST the direction we are trying to keep from going in, yet all these....people...show up, wring their hands, and lecture us about it and think we don't see what they are doing.

Ooooooook.

[leftofthedial]

125. you're either with us or against us

when the guillotines start working, we'll remember this

(btw, I'm a relentlessly sarcastic SOB)

[Bouncy Ball]

103. Boy this kind of thread casts a wide net, if you know what I mean!

LOL!

Glad you started it.

[porphyrian]

120. Heh, heh, fuck 'em if they can't take a joke. - n/t

[porphyrian]

121. (I'm dead serious, though.) - n/t

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

126. like flypaper :)

[thedecline]

128. Congratulations on getting this thread posted on Little Green Nazis...

You must have really pissed them off

[Bouncy Ball]

139. YAY!!!!!!

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

130. Kick

just cause it's so funny watching people get upset about this thread

(hey it's friday night, it's raining and I am FUCKING BORED)

[Gabi Hayes]

131. this calls for.....

http://www.ericblumrich.com/ihr.html

didn't see it posted here yet

always worth a play

my FAVORITE song of all time

seriously

all kudos to Erich Blumrich
http://www.ericblumrich.com /

''they stand for greed that's unrestrained
by shame or pity,'' etc

[Gabi Hayes]

132. remember the first gulf war?

http://www.bushflash.com/strangelove.html

[Toronto Ron]

133. Not all Republicans are assholes

But just about all assholes are Republican.

[Bouncy Ball]

140. LOL I was JUST about to say that!

[HeeBGBz]

142. It's no wonder they don't believe in evolution

They don't evolve. Their mentality is inbred. No new ideas allowed.

[frustrated_lefty]

147. I'm sorry to say

I simply have no interest in republicans. Those I have met have been simple-minded and full of self-interest. They've come off arrogant, pompous, and ....really like people who have experienced no loss in their life, so they have no comprehension of human loss. I may be wrong here, but this is my personal experience of dealing with that foul breed.

The bottom line is, republicans I have spoken with tend to be mean-spirited. I've tried to understand, I've tried to heal. At this point, fuck it. The bastards have a sickness they are trying to spread around the world, and that sickness may very well destroy our world. I value their lives, but the value of their lives does NOT supercede that of my children.

Fuck those rat-bastards until they come to their senses. If they can't do that one small thing, just valuing their neighbor, let 'em die. I'll bring flowers to the maggots that eat their flesh.

FL

[NVMojo]

148. it's hard to hate people with one lonely b-b rolling around in their

skulls but I do ...