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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 05:00 PM
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Help me flesh the story out.
Does anyone remember reading or hearing the stories about bush having anonymous sex with guys in bathrooms of seedy dives and bars in West Texas in the 70s? Jeb knowing about it but turning a blind eye?

Ok, here's my theory so far....there are still some holes, so help me connect any dots you see that need connecting. Or ask anything that needs clarification.

bush hires Ari Fleischer to return some big "favors" he did him. Ahem. McClellan is Fleischer's deputy. bush rather favors Scottie, too. It's all good. With me so far?

Why did Fleischer quit? Anyone remember?

McClellan (see Rawstory about him) discovered and paid for Guckert to be his "escort" a few times before Guckert decided to push things in his quest to be a real journalist and starts to hound Scott for a press pass. Scott tells him to set up a news organization front and he can get it done. Scott is quite "taken" with "JimmyJeff" and "JimmyJeff" knows it. Scott gets his buddies at GOPUSA and PNAC to set up an organization called "Talon News" and it is a Christmas gift to JimmyJeff. Scott arranges for a few other trusted people to work with JimmyJeff to ensure it looks like he's actually a reporter. Scott also arranges to make sure "Talon News" doesn't appear on any official lists of WH Press Corps. (That's true, it doesn't.) The other half of JimmyJeff's pay comes from the PNAC/GOPUSA operatives. They don't care what kinda hanky-panky is going on behind the scenes, they're just happy to have an operative in the briefing room.

JimmyJeff arranges for Scottie to send a bit of payola his way, you know, a little bit to grease the palm. About $5K a month will do it. Scottie talks to a few people about it, only a few, including bush, who okays it, having already okayed several other "journalist" payoffs. bush is well aware this "journalist" is actually one of Scottie's after-hours friends, but he's been there, done that himself, so it's no biggie to him. He feels invincible. No one would ever find out. So taxpayer funds being funneled to a guy with no journalist credentials running a male prostitute sex ring and having sex with the Presidential Press Secretary. (No big deal, right, freepers? LOL!)

In Scott's giddiness, he tells JimmyJeff things he shouldn't, especially concerning the Plame case. To make himself sound more important than he really is, Guckert has turned the story into him SEEING Plame documents, when Scott never showed them to him, but did tell him too much in a moment of afterglow.

Scott realizes full well he shouldn't have done that and he knows he is potentially playing with fire in his dalliances with JimmyJeff. When he got him the press pass, they all think that using a psuedonym would be best. In the lax environment of the WH (if you are Scottie, it's lax) he is able to pull this over the authorities who are supposed to be running background checks on JimmyJeff.

To cover his ass, Scottie tells bush during one of their "afternoon meetings." bush doesn't worry about it--he knows full well they have the media in their back pocket.

Problem is, JimmyJeff starts to get cocky--his "questions" get more and more obvious. Scottie chides him in private, but JimmyJeff is just emboldened by the feeling of power he has over Scottie ET AL. So he continues, eventually coming to the attention of some people outside of the White House, who start wondering about this guy and sniffing around.

Scottie immediately meets with JimmyJeff and tells him it's over, get out of sight and don't contact me ever again. Go under. JimmyJeff, totally freaked out, does so. Too late.



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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 05:03 PM
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1. Nice fiction
you should do it up as a novel........
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 05:04 PM
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2. You can't even make stuff up as good
as you get from bushco, can ya?

LOL!

There are a lot of details I could add.

I was reading a lot of stories about this whole thing on some blogs and it started falling into place.

The payoff and the getting around a security clearance, if evidence can be dug up on that, is the real story. The sex angle is what will sell the story.

Which is sad, but how people are nowdays.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 05:08 PM
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4. The trouble with the closet
is that it opens people up to blackmail.

If people were honest and open about their sexuality, then they wouldn't be prone to blackmail....hence no need to do payoffs, dodge security checks, etc.,
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 12:48 AM
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16. I think you have hit on it, ewagner...
Gannon knows something on someone and he has bribed them to get into the White House. But would Scotty have hung around if it was he? Would not he have simply found a way to take time off to spend with the family or something? Which leads me to believe that Scotty may be covering for someone else? But who??
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 09:21 AM
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19. Sorry ..late in responding
Somebody is covering some - thing.....
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 07:37 PM
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7. that's what I've been thinking, truth really is stranger than fiction.
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 05:05 PM
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3. If you were a conservative, and we were dealing with a Dem President.
You'd already have enough heresy to have a Special Prosecutor look into this.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 07:30 PM
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5. I certainly would, wouldn't I?
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 07:33 PM
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6. Focus on the security and access issue...
who allowed the access and why did the security check fail. Once the who is revealed then the why will be asked and that might be when the sex issue would come into play as a direct connection to some in the WH.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 07:56 PM
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8. 1. Check out the DOD project to create news...includes the word Talon.
Edited on Mon Feb-14-05 07:56 PM by higher class
2. Also, if it is 'checkable': There was a blurb on Drudge saying that someone considering a run for President had to round up some photoes before announced his candidacy. One of the photos was of 'a' person dancing naked on a table with boots on. This blurb on Drudge appeared before Bush announced.
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 09:12 PM
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9. Why so restrained?
I mean, there is a far more obvious recipient of Mr. Jeff's services from how your story starts out...
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 09:14 PM
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10. I wasn't sure where to "fit that in."
(Sorry for that bad wording!)

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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 09:16 PM
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11. Where one normally fits such things
at the end of the tale...
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American Tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 09:19 PM
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12. So, how does Valerie Plame fit into the narrative?
Edited on Mon Feb-14-05 09:20 PM by American Tragedy
I've heard many people refer to her exposure in association with this scandal, but I really only faintly knew who Gannon was before this story broke. What did he have to do with it? Was he one of the other journalists that was allegedly told about her identity?

On edit: Sorry, I only just noticed that you addressed it in the post. But how do we know that he had access? Is it pure conjecture?
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 09:38 PM
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13. I wrote that, based on what we know so far
and connecting some dots.

Yes, some of it was conjecture. I have the strange feeling some of it will be revealed to be true.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 12:08 AM
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14. Kickity kick kick
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 12:12 AM
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15. fleisher got married and said he wanted more time with his wife.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 12:53 AM
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17. this is a new one on me! Okay, I think he's an ex-drunk, cokehead,
Edited on Tue Feb-15-05 12:54 AM by barb162
"deserter" for lack of a better word, an idiot, a liar, arrogant as hell, evil, etc. But I thought he was straight.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 12:53 AM
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18. I think you are very close to the truth, Bouncy Ball...
But I'm not sure that Scotty is the source of JimmyJeff's entrance into the WH press corps. No doubt he knows all about it but is he the only one that knows about it? Would he gamble with his own reputation and career by pulling strings to get JimmyJeff inside or is he "jelping" someone else? JimmyJeff appears to be the type that would not hesitate to bribe someone to get what he wants. Has he made threats to people in the White House. Has someone saved the blue boxers?
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lawladyprof Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-05 09:56 AM
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20. Where does Ari's departure fit into the Scott/Gannon timeline? eom
N/T
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