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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:23 AM
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From RawStory: The Big Gannon News
Edited on Mon Feb-14-05 11:35 AM by qanda
Developing: Mounting evidence suggests conservative White House reporter 'Gannon' paid to have site set up with intention to prostitute himself....

http://www.rawstory.com /

On Edit: Rawstory has confirmed in post #6 that this is the big Gannon story.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:24 AM
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1. If they can prove the prostitution bit, it's huge
otherwise, major yawn.
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:28 AM
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5. not exactly huge, like him being a bigger dirtbag is a story?
yawn is right....
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:28 AM
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7. It makes the quesiton about how he gained access even bigger
How does a male prostitute get past the security requirements?
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:41 AM
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21. That's an angle that could make this a real story
I do have to wonder: If the WH wanted a shill in the press corps, why THIS guy?? How did he ingratiate himself? Could be that he got where he got the "old fashioned way" -- sexual favors, a sugar daddy mentor?

I too am hoping the story isn't just that he's a Ho. (We knew that!)
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:47 AM
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29. Right, who was the "regular" who sponsored him?
I'm beginning to think the Log Cabiners are over represented in this current administration. It makes too much sense.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 12:52 PM
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48. The same way the other prostitutes do n/t
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Rockerdem Donating Member (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:26 AM
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2. I stayed up til 3 am for that?
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American Tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:26 AM
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3. I really hope not, because that isn't even new
The web research associating him with the M4M thing has been around for awhile.
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:27 AM
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4. I think John's about to get scooped by Rawstory... nt
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Rockerdem Donating Member (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:30 AM
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10. Maybe its a handoff
Maybe John had second thoughts about what "very big" means and decided to dump it off onto another more appropriate site. Who knows.
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rawstory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:28 AM
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6. This is the story, yes.
We're working a different angle; this, however, is john's story, yes. more questions are being raised about mclellan's role, but at this point is just speculation.
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:30 AM
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9. looking forward to the McLellan stuff for sure! thanks! nt
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:31 AM
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11. Can you please check this out
I don't have the ability to research it on my own, but I think it should be looked into.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:34 AM
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14. So, Guckert is a prostitute.
Are there any white-house related implications to that, or are we just establishing that Guckert himself is a whore?

If the latter, then I don't see how this is a big story at all.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:38 AM
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17. OK.. lets look at this big picture a bit from the side maybe?
The rep from Virgina that resigned because of the gay phone sex tapes, could he have been involved with this somehow? Could the phone line have been some how attached to Gannon and this group?

Add to that the scandal from the previous scandal with the call boys roaming the white house after hours, could they be in the business of creating situations for blackmail purposes? And, when you no longer follow the party line, they out you, or if they need a fall guy to divert attention, the lowest on the totem pole gets outed?

We need to see if we can further connect the dots with the history of this behavior by them with the current issues. We know that some of the players are related, we just need to cement that with documentation.

Or, I could be totally off the mark. But, I don't think so. You don't just go into the "gay call boy" business on a lark. Someone has to mastermind it and control it. It would make sense to pass the torch from someone that has some experience to someone with new engery to continue it, doesn't it?
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:44 AM
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25. are you saying that you think McLellan knew he was a whore? nt
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:45 AM
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27. When should we expect the story to break?
So we don't have to hit refresh every minute :-)
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:46 AM
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28. We Know "Gannon's" A Dirt Bag...So???
Yep, a story linking McClelland or any media figure of member of the regime with this POS would be a nice push in the right direction.

I'd call big a document or picture or some other hard evidence linking the principals in this case..."Gannon", Eberle and others that have been uncovered with this regime and with members of the corporate media. Not speculation, but facts...telephone records, travel vouchers, bank transfers...things were you can see money is changing hands...that's what'll make this story big.

"Gannon's" the gateway into a right wing network of media manipulation and corruption. It's deep and widespread and needs to be exposed. Getting sidetracked on personal issues...even if they're as hypocritical and spiteful as "Gannon's" are a side story, not the main one.

If we're going to ever have a credible media that will present ALL side of an issue and all a diversity of voices, we have to shame the coporate media by exposing it.

Cheers and thank-you for working hard on getting the truth out on your site.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 12:13 PM
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37. A sex scandal is what it will get the media to pay attention.
Media manipulation stories are just the icing on the cake.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 12:21 PM
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42. And Make It A Sideshow
The corporate media would love for this to turn into sex.

Yes, it gets attentions and ratings, but it also is what the corporate media wants to avoid discussing how they are corrupted and manipulated by this regime and the Repugnican party.

Playing the sensational also will drown out any hard, substantial evidence that comes out from ongoing investigations and gives the right wing hate machine ammo to call this a partisan witch hunt.

This story is super tough as one of the targets in this story are the very people who are the "gatekeepers" of information and control a lot of what most Americans see and hear. I'd prefer if we have "sensational"...it be a check to "Gannon" that can be traced through Eberle to Gillespie and the RNC. Or, Morton Blackwell's "Journalism School" providing paid experts and being given preferential treatment in the hires of new employees at major networks and newspapers.

I know it ain't sexy...but Watergate was considered a third-rate robbery in the beginning.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 01:32 PM
Response to Reply #42
51. Remember, Gannon got access to the president.
and was well known in the white house. it could get pretty nasty.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 01:43 PM
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53. Yep...We're A Couple Steps From That Point
I dream that we get beltway talking heads fighting talking heads fighting "journalists" fighting news reporters as to who knew who or what and if they knew what they knew or why didn't they say anything. That will be TV well worth watching...and it could happen if people's careers, power and money are threatened.

I also hope that the other "Gannons" that will surface have just as sloppy trails that will lead us to other rats and avenues and fuel the feeding frenzy among those who love to feed the most. Consider this: Tweety trying to defend his credibility vs. charges by Novakula trying to cover his ass. This is where the getting gets good...the phone ring...the dream ends. But the digging goes on.

Cheers!
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 05:35 PM
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65. "The Cookoo's Egg" started off with a few cents off
in the accounts. It led to the discovery of a spy ring. Watergate was a break in. You never know where it will lead.




We are the media.



http://btobsearch.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInq...
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 02:05 PM
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59. I think you miss the point
Without Lewinski and the "stained blue dress" the entire Blowjobgate story that led to impeachment would have gone "down the rabbit hole".

Whether we like it or not, "sex sells". That is the secret ingredient that has been missing from all of these * scandals, and believe me, the stench from those scandals would knock a fly off a shit-wagon.

Enron - not sexy enough
Halliburton - not sexy enough
bribed jounalist (three so far) - not sexy enough
WMD - not sexy enough
52 FAA warnings - not sexy enough
torturegate - a little sexy, but not quite there
Mediscare bribery - not sexy enough
and on and on and on and on,

But.....throw in a male prostitute in his "tighty-whiteys" throwing softball questions to the pResident, hooking up with the Swift Boaters, knob-hobbing, or hob-knobbing with the POTUS....well the media might just pay attention to THAT!

It's sick, but unless there is the possibility of a penis in someone's mouth, the media will just let it disappear.

WHAT DO WE TELL THE CHILDREN??????
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 02:18 PM
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61. Sex Backfires As Well...
Ask Bob Livingston...or even Ken Starr...this dude's dreams of the Supreme Court or AG went bye bye.

If you ask a wingnut, they'll always say in Clinton's case "it wasn't the sex". It was the "lie". Yes, the sex got the ball rollin and made the most headlines and jokes, but it was the "lie" that was the issue. I tend to agree in the point that if Clinton had come out at the outset and said "OK, ya got me, I did her" instead of trying to deny, I highly doubt we'd ever had gotten to the inquisition stage. In the end, those who hate Clinton, always say it's "the lie"...a lie about sex, but a lie nonetheless.

Again, I wanna know more about "Gannon's" bosses, not "Gannon's" tighty-whiteys. Yep, who wrote those softballs he lobbed in Press Conferences aired live on CNNservative and seen worldwide (We already have proof the guy forged most of his written stuff...who wrote those questions)...also made sure Bunnypants called on "Gannon" that day (we know every move in those "impromptu" conferences are scripted). These are the question that have to rise above "Gannon".

Keep it as sex and the monkeys will say that's all the 'libruls' are making this a personal thing...pulling every codeword in the book about what homosexual lesbian commie pinko terrorist tree hugging bleeding heart feminazi.

I'd one day like to tell my children that I fought for freedom of speech and information in this country. The great thing is there here fighting with me.

Cheers!
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 02:52 PM
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63. Unfortunately, I'm being Realistic
I agree that the bigger story goes way beyond sex. Regretably in today's media, the only way you are going to get anyone to dig into this story, and begin answering those very important questions you ask, is if it has the "salaciousness" needed to keep the media interested. Sex does sell.

For example: If Britney Spears' first music video had her dancing around in a head to toe bathrobe vice a skimpy schoolgirl outfit, we would not be saddled with the torture of having to call her a pop star.

I don't personnaly care if Jeff Gannon, or whatever his name is, was fist-f#$king chickens. Unless the media can make a buck covering the story, you might as well complain about Enron ripping off little old ladies in California. See how far that story got!

When we get back in power, the first order of business better be ripping our media out of the hands of the powerful corporations. All they care about is the bottom line. If it does not sell newspapers, they just ain't gonna print it.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 12:17 PM
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40. Interesting. I emailed Froomkin last week to ask
Edited on Mon Feb-14-05 12:18 PM by sfexpat2000
1. Even if Gannon/whoever registered those domains for someone else (looks like he did), what type of client would need them? and
2. What part of their agreement necessitated him posting nude shots of himself to the net?

Good job,
Beth in SF
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rawstory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:29 AM
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8. there are quite a few photos.
just another fyi. it's not enormously huge, but it's very interesting.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:35 AM
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15. Photos? There's a glimmer of hope...
If they're rank enough, the taint will hit the White House. Let's pray JDG is doin' the goatse in a few of them.
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giant_robot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:37 AM
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16. Why is the hell would a guy with those kind of skeletons
in the closet call out and taunt the liberal bloggers? The right wing really *does* think they're untouchable, don't they?
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #16
50. Remember, conservatives are nuts.
at least the washington in power kind
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 02:00 PM
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58. I think it's a sign that he's connected.
That's something that someone who felt protected would do. Maybe he had a false sense of security about just how much his powerful sponsors could protect him.
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giant_robot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 03:14 PM
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64. That's an interesting supposition...
...and I wish we had proof of it. Then we'd really have something.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:39 AM
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18. What's not enormously huge? The story or Gannon himself?
Bad enough to lose your job and whatever credibility the administration bought for you, but having your little Rove exposed on the Internet would be rubbing salt into the wound...
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GeorgeBushytail Donating Member (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:41 AM
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20. Is the article still up
I went to rawstory.com and there was a banner headline saying the story was developing but there was no link to a story.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:34 AM
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12. "Developing... " and as credible as Drudge with this
Developing... garbage
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:34 AM
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13. I wonder if he has a laptop
so he could manage his site on the way to church
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:40 AM
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19. The term "media whore" becomes more literal all the time (nt)
nt
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meisje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:42 AM
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22. Breaking: Gannon like thigs that are long and slender!!
Developing....
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cheezus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:42 AM
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23. of course! that explains the watch in the pictures
ah, it's all so clear now....

:wtf:
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Rockerdem Donating Member (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:43 AM
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24. Thanks John and Rawstory
Thanks for your hard work. Sometimes the tedious drilling doesnt produce the gusher the first, second or third time. But please, dont let the lack of enthusiasm here dissuade you from keepin on keepin on. You provide a valuable service. We will be as they say monitoring the situation at your sites.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:44 AM
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26. I have to say I was hoping for more if that's it. n/t
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:49 AM
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30. The blogosphere needs to drop this gay escort thing and focus on Plame!
Gannon was privy to classified documents and he was no more of a journalist than I am!

Focusing on Gannon's sexual life will kill this story and the MSM will NEVER touch it!
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KyndCulture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:53 AM
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33. AMEN and pass the cookies!! We need the plame story! nt
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:59 AM
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34. Politics makes strange bedfellows
ever hear that saying? Perhaps he got to see the memos or gained access to the info contained in them through an "arranged" trist?

Stranger things have happened. I am looking at this as a black mail thing where he was given privledges due to some info he had on someone else maybe? It could have happened like that, couldn't it?
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 12:09 PM
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36. Possibly, but for someone that high up to risk this is very dubious
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 12:21 PM
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41. Puts a new spin on the broadside
WJC got when he naively thought the country was ready to make being "gay" in the "military" a non-issue...
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:51 AM
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31. That's it? WTF?
Why is this huge?
How will it impact the * junta?

Am I missing something?
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 11:51 AM
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32. What about the PLAME CONNECTION????? (nt)
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silvermachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 12:03 PM
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35. Guess I'll reserve judgement for now...
I'll wait until I see the actual story. If this really is it though, I'm disappointed.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 12:14 PM
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38. I'll be disappointed, too
Unless they can actually tie WH figures to the scandal through the receipts.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 12:16 PM
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39. I guess I should have known it wasn't going to be all that big
When he said he was going to bed for the night. If it were that important and "big" it would have merited an all-nighter to get the story out. Oh well, back to the drawing board.
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Old Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 12:31 PM
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43. we have the white house directly involved
with a covert, planted propagandist working against the good of the American people - espionage and treason - and the big story is about his sex life.

Probably an entrapment scheme to gain unwilling resources, but who cares?

Well, as long as the sex angle gets the MSM involved, but I suspect this will backfire on us.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 12:37 PM
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44. I will wait to see if this is, in fact, the big Gannon story...
being discussed on Americablog. They say they have invoices. I am wondering if RawStory has the same invoices or is it possible that the starting point for both stories may have been the same but have since diverged due to these 'invoices' mentioned on Americablog. I must say it is fascinating none the less.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 12:43 PM
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45. seems like we have been played like a fiddle
jerked around by a blogger.

What happens here?

I tell you what I think. A little bit of fame where before there was none, An appearance or two on teevee, a book or two, a web site overflowing with fawning admirers, and the humble blogger, whose motivations in the beginning, may have been noble, begins to develop a huge inflated ego--and power corrupts, or in this case, if this all is true, at the very least leads to ego stuffing, bloviating tricks upon the naive followers to keep up the now accumulated "reputation"

It only serves to sully the blogger and the rest of the bloggers out there, who might possibly be doing some real work.

If this is all true re this promised, really, really, big, big breaking scoop, this blogger has done much to bring down the rest of the bloggers out there.

It also makes them look like amateurs. Doesn't matter--they got on teevee--

I do hope for the sake of all, it may turn out to be otherwise, but as it stands, it looks cheap, foolish and deserving of the garbage pail.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 12:47 PM
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46. Read the new Americablog entry...
http://www.americablog.blogspot.com /

Seems the Freeper's "inside man at the White House" and resident hero has some dark skeletons in his closet... :D :thumbsup:
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 01:23 PM
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49. I went there
and Gannon lied about it, of course. I ask myself: so?

True, the question does remain how he got a pass in the WH press corps, and who put him there and there are lots of other questions as to his access to Valerie Plame's name, but there are also lots of questions about the horror of 9-11, and they remain unanswered, kept secret,redacted and obfuscated with hardly a journalist having the nerve to question or investigate. Will there be a follow up by anyone? I doubt it. The spin will come out of the WH and no one will dare question it.

It is the end of Gannon, but he was gone anyhow. Bush, Rove, McClellan, Feith, Rumsfeld et al with their Pentagon secret intelligence brown shirts will go on destroying the country, making war for profit and gain, the liar Condi will go on lying because she does not know how to do anything else, and "nothing to see here" about it all, in fact, praise is heaped upon them all; that is the news of the day.

Sorry, just a bitter skeptic at this point. I am weary of being jerked around and feeling helpless to stop it.

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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 02:36 PM
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62. Um, did you miss the part about how he's a Male prostitute?
Edited on Mon Feb-14-05 02:38 PM by yodermon
And has been granted special press access to WH briefings?

News flash: Prostitution is illegal. Prostitutes have clients. Clients can be named. Deals can be cut.

Like, do you think that this john would like his identity exposed:
I hired Jeff last winter when I was in Philadelphia on business. I was so pleased with the experience that I recently had him travel with me on a weekend trip to North Carolina. I am an active duty senior officer in the US Army. Discretion is of utmost importance to me. Jeff understands that because of his Marine background. He has so many talents besides the bedroom, it was a great experience for me. He is all-man, athletic and self-assured. Great body, he helped me work out twice, one time on base. The sex was great, he's a hard core top, verbal and strong, never romantic, but not mean. But there was so much more. He is intelligent, but would not want me to tell you that and very interesting. Being military also, we had much in common. I feel completely at ease that my secret is safe with him.

...

I am versatile, 40+ year old career military man. I am used to being in command, so it was good for me to give control over to someone else for a change. I like to suck a masculine man's dick and get fucked hard. I did all of that several times that weekend. Because of my position I cannot find someone compatible in the usual ways. I am luck y to have found this jarhead.


this link is from the AmericaBlog article:
http://www.male4malescorts.com/reviews/bulldogdc.html

Keep your eyes open for higher-level military suicides over the next weeks.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 12:49 PM
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47. This will backfire on us if pushed too far
Exposing Gannon as a gay hooker will only.... endear him to the religious right and make us look like cruel hypocrites.

These people don't really hate SIN, they hate NON-REPENTANCE. So what that works out to is:

"When my enemy sins he is vile because he will not repent. I know he will not repent because he is my enemy and he is one of satan's minions. In fact, he is trying to CONVERT the whole world to sin and vice, which is all know is very very seductive."

"When we sin, we have erred and to err is human. We are generally good people, but in moments of weakness Satan can overwhelm us. It is even harder in these endtimes because my enemy promotes a culture of sin and non-repentance. And on top of it, in our moment of fallen shame the LIBERAL MEDIA-- who condones these sins anyway-- persecutes us for them."

They don't see this as hypocrisy. Fundamentalists set it up so that they sin all the time, they just feel guilty and blame Satan (and liberals) for their behavior. If we push forward on this too hard it will be like the 'Mary Cheney is a lesbian' debacle. Kerry was seen as insensitive for publically pointing to a family's private struggle with Satan.

The only way for this story to have effect would be if one of their OWN discovered Gannon's sins. Then maybe instead of him being a victim of the left wing media, he might be one of their spies and infiltrators working to corrupt the hearts of upright youth.

How do we deal with this lunacy?

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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 01:34 PM
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52. Well, personally, I don't believe a word you typed.
I think you're full of it and a right wing apologist.

Exposing him as a GAY HOOKER will only ENDEAR him to the religios right?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!

Um, okay!
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 01:48 PM
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55. Yeah, I'm a right wing apologist, I'm so sick of this nonsense
NO, I happen to be a GLBT person who is used to dealing with these fuckers.

I am so sick of being called a right-wing apologist by every person who disagrees.

How am I APOLOGIZING for explaining how these creepy RW lunatics work? I spent 6 years in Texas having to deal with these RW morons, I hope I learned something about their beliefs.

What happened with SWAGGERT: FORGIVEN!
LIMBAUGH: FORGIVEN!
CLINTON: CONSIDERED THE ANTICHRIST!
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 01:53 PM
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57. I agree with you
Unless there is actual proof that he got his post through sexual favors with a supposedly straight member of the Bush Admin, then this story is no big deal.

Remember, anything a Republican does before today can be written off as a youthful indescretion.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 01:46 PM
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54. They will try to spin it, but spin cant cover everything.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 01:49 PM
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56. I hope you're right n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-14-05 02:09 PM
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60. I think John may have pointed to a way during his interview
on Aaron Brown.

He pointed to the difference between what is private (personal life) and what is public (a business endeavor).

There may be a useful parallel here: what is private (sin) and what is public (crime). Crimes are also sins, of course, but personal repentance does not obviate damage to the community or to the state. We've let the Cons fuzz up these two categories to their advantage.

Does that work?
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