So I'm just gonna come out and ask...Is Bush the first gay president?

[jdj]

He kissed Lieberman..
There's that picture of him hugging buzzcut man..
He hugged McCain like he was trying to let McCain nurse off of him..
Who was it that he said was better looking than Scott McClellan, whom he referred to as "my Scott"?
He has a stepford wife for cover and a substance abuse problem (for coping with the lie?)

And now he has this pseudo-journalist friend pimping his agenda on the side inbetwixt posting pics of himself in tighty-whities and setting up military escort sites..that coupled with Gannon's access to the white house sets up a good case for serious quid pro blow.

Like the Gropinator said, where there's smoke, there's fire. Bush really seems to try hard to keep up the macho facade for Daddy too, although he seems to always be acting, there is not one bit of it that comes naturally to him, and he acts like he knows it.

I never thought our first gay president would be a republican...but there is something seriously off in Bush that he isn't able to pull off this charade any better than he has, and this may well be it.

[Arkana]

1. You could also add that he was a cheerleader at Yale

[murielm99]

3. Andover, not Yale. nt

[Eric J in MN]

34. I think it was both (nt)

nt

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[Maru Kitteh]

54. OK,,,............ I get "I'm a coward" in your sig but what EXACTLY.......

does "I'm a pussy" mean? See, I happen to own female external genetalia............. and to have my anatomy considered equal to G.W.B. is personally insulting. I could think of one hundred other more appropriate words but I will give you the top 20 so that you might expand both your vocabulary and your awareness.

1. Jackass
2. amoeba
3. murderer
4. salesman (think classic used car)
5. monkey
6. Antichrist
7. mini me
8. failed abortion
9. disgrace
10. troglodyte
11. Bonzo
12. silly putty
13. wannabe
14. crack whore
15. fortunate son
16. tool
17. unwashed tool
18. Nazi
19. sludge
20. W.rong

[jdj]

11. damn, I sure forgot that, that's even more damning

he was a cheerleader at Yale, and at Andover.

Here's what is especially strange.

I have his family tree in my wills textbook.

Poppy has three brothers who apparently never married who appear to still be alive.
I don't have my book in front of me, I may start a thread on this tomorrow. Bush could possibly have three gay uncles...but you never hear anything mentioned about them.

What if this was his downfall... I can totally see it, him being not so macho and kind of stupid and fey besides, and having to overcompensate to win Daddy's approval and then almost frying his brains with coke to cope with that internal struggle.

During the time right before project PULL there is a rumor that he was in the mountains of WNC at drug rehab (in the 70's), there are TONS of treatment centers up there, the one I was thinking of was the old Appalachian Hall, it is a beautiful old building that changes hands every year..the last I heard it was a Charter hospital, there are also a few out in Black Mountain, that's where 28 days was filmed with Sandra Bullock. This is where all the rich used to come for rehab from TB in the 19th century, and George Vanderbilt brought alot of wealthy people here (as did the Grove Park Inn). I don't live there anymore, but I sure wish someone could do research on it.

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[jdj]

13. I'm gay and I sure as shit give a damn.

go piss somewhere else...

You don't think that a president who ran on the demonization of gays and gay marriage who may be gay himself isn't an issue of importance?

[Grey Ranks]

40. You don't care?

Shit, if I was gay I would try to fuck the president out of spite.

[jdj]

43. that's funny

but I think they are using some kind of secret code to get in rank with each other.

Maybe the Daddy thing is that important, it's over-arching that they must always keep up the facade to win their approval, so they can never, ever, ever be out, no matter what.

It is so sad, I can't imagine what it must be like to go through life never free of the need for parental approval. It must be like being in a prison.

[RBHam]

4. James Buchanan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Buchanan

[Lydia Leftcoast]

17. James Buchanan, yes, at least as portrayed in Gore Vidal's

Lincoln. His nickname among his opponents was "Miss Nancy."

[lostnfound]

5. Don't forget about admiring one of Tony Blair's handsome guards nt

[jdj]

16. Was his name Scott?

Does anyone else remember that...he said something like "he's much better looking than my Scott".

I found it, it's linked to the Globe and Mail but you have to register, so this is from Buzz flash

"Bush Tells Canadian Prime Minister's Scott that He has a Prettier Face Than Bush's Scott: We Are Not Making This Up!

The President chuckled. "Well, you got a pretty face," he told the surprised Mr. Reid. He wasn't done. "You got a pretty face," he said again. "You're a good-looking guy. Better looking than my Scott anyway."
http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/04/01/con04022.html
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/Page/document/v4/sub/MarketingPage?user_URL=http://www.theglobeandmail.com%2Fservlet%2FArticleNews%2FTPStory%2FLAC%2F20040116%2FREID16%2F&ord=1108099023944&brand=theglobeandmail&force_login=true

You've got a pretty face? What fucking president has ever said that to a man? That for a fundie president is every bit as scandalous as Clinton whipping his dick out in front of Paula Jones.

[GetTheRightVote]

29. Oh my God, * is gay, only a man who likes men talk like that about men

I have been wondering about his distance from Laura Bush and now I finally understand why I have always had these feelings about their relationship. I though perhaps she was abuse by him but him being gay just makes a whole lot of sense to me now. * is definitely gay, wow. * is our first gay, you know.

:kick:

[starroute]

36. Here you go

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/04/01/con04022.html

January 18, 2004

Bush Tells Canadian Prime Minister's Scott that He has a Prettier Face Than Bush's Scott: We Are Not Making This Up!

<snip>

The setting for his remark was tropical; you know how that tropical heat is. It was Monterrey, Mexico during the Summit where Bush was trying to explain why Canada has free borders with the US, and not Mexico. He had finished breakfast with Martin and their closest aids, when Martin called, his assistant, Scott Reid in for a briefing, as the group waited for the press.

<snip>

"Well, what do you do for this guy?", Dubya said. You would think he could come up with the name of the PM, but stunned by the moment, he could only point, but he did point at the correct guy. After a small discussion about Scott's duties for the PM, Dubya said, "Well, you got a pretty face. You got a pretty face. You're a good-looking guy. Better looking than my Scott anyway."

[Benhurst]

6. Liebermann doesn't count. Who could resist Joe's soft,

inviting lips? :silly:

[Cleita]

8. How about Lincoln?n/t

[LeftCoast]

9. Cuz, ya know...if he's a Homo, he's even worse than we thought

It's just terrible, terrible, terrible to be gay! We don't have that message sent to us enough in a day...gotta keep hammering it home. Gay is bad. Real bad. Don't forget now.

{insert Dean scream here}

[Bluebear]

12. No, being gay is not bad.

Being a homophobic shill for the "moral majority" whilst covering up your own actual orientation would be very bad.

[LeftCoast]

19. This whole line of attack on Bush is simply rediculous

The man is not gay. Get a grip. There are so many legitimate reasons to despise the man, his presidency and his party that going on about some rediculous assertion that he's gay can really only be taken one way.

[jdj]

24. This is the only thing I've ever come across to give him any humanity

whatsoever.

Look what the hell being in the closet can do to a person.

This is not a line of attack.

This is speculation based on mounting evidence, and it seems to me to be the key that explains alot of otherwise unexplainable behavior.

[LeftCoast]

26. Clearly you and I have vastly different concepts of what 'evidence' means

[LynnTheDem]

50. Ridiculous would be stating as fact someone isn't gay

How do you know bush isn't gay? There are 100,000s of married men with children who are gay and not even their own families know.

[jdj]

51. Isn't that the truth

If I had a dollar for every time one of my gay male friends told me they had met a great new guy, but then said "but he's married."

[jdj]

14. Look I'm a queer and I have a right to ask that question.

Stop projecting your prejudices onto me and deal with them yourself.

[LeftCoast]

22. Hey, I'm not the one slinging homophobic shit hoping it sticks

We could play who's the bigger queer here, but I bet you I'd win. Just because you're gay doesn't mean you can't have some ingrained homophobia. This is not a legitimate topic of criticism, it's total BS.

[jdj]

23. The hell it isn't.

The only way that you could say that asking if someone is gay is homophobic is if you equate being gay, or being out anyway, with being bad.

That's yours.

[LeftCoast]

33. Been following the Gannon/Guckert scandal?

One of the criticisms of JG was that he asks questions such as:

Doesn't Joe Wilson owe the President and America an apology for his deception and his own intelligence failure?

Questions are not always just questions. Your question, in fact, is mostly a post listing 'evidence' that really has no bearing on much of anything other than to be salacious, tabloid-style gossip.

Look, if you really think that this type of thing helps the Democrats win elections and helps gays and lesbians achieve equality, go ahead. But to me, it really looks like you're just trying to smear the queer.

[jdj]

38. I wouldn't smear a queer for being queer.

People here forget that this is a website on the internet

You keep making these statements that equate the open acknowlegement of homosexuality with something bad, as if it is insulting to the person. That is really sad. It's a characteristic, not a character defect. It only becomes the latter when you deny it and crusade as ferociously as Bush has against your own brothers and sisters.

How do you feel about outing gay republicans? I'm all for it. Any one who is working in this administration that got elected or appointed on the backs of gays needs to be outed for what they are, and Bush is no exception just because he is president.

[LeftCoast]

46. By that same logic then Republicans could out closeted Dems

Do you support that?

[jdj]

47. what? you don't think they would if given half a chance?

there is absolutely no "could" in terms of that.

[LeftCoast]

52. I don't base my morals on what Republicans do

I'm not going to stoop to their low moral standard. Look, in the last couple of years, I've seen post after post where people have mounds of 'evidence' that Bush is a closet drunk, that he has epillepsy or some other rare, but somehow damning disease that's some great secret.

Bush and the republicans are so open to criticism on so many legitimate issues. We claim to be better than the Republicans, but if we stoop to their level and their tactics how can that be?

[LynnTheDem]

53. "slinging homophobic shit"??? Believing someone is gay is

"slinging homophobic shit"??? :wow:

That's a new definition of "homophobic".

[ultraist]

10. Macho, macho man..I want to be a macho man

Isn't that the Village people?



It's not being gay that's bad, it's that he is such a fucking hypocrite, homophobe. Many homophobes are repressed homosexuals.

[jdj]

15. Someone where I work has this picture up with the heading

"my heroes have always been cowboys" under it.

Maybe on the back it says "...who are afraid of horses."

[Southsideirish]

18. Smooch! Its love, real love!!!

[Bouncy Ball]

20. Dear Lord

This line gave me fits of laughter:

He hugged McCain like he was trying to let McCain nurse off of him..


and I don't even want to SEE that picture. Ug.

[jdj]

30. just once.

you have to see it just once.

McCain looks utterly humiliated. and weird.

[ultraist]

21. Internalised Homophobia: Clinical definition If the shoe fits!

http://www.4reference.net/encyclopedias/wikipedia/Homophobia.html
excerpts
Internalised Homophobia
Others believe it is due to homophobic actions against them, as described below. Homosexuals with internalised homophobia may discriminate or be violent towards other homosexuals in the same way and to the same extent as anyone else with homophobia. Some homosexuals with internalised homophobia may repress their homosexuality, so that they are not fully aware of it. Some people claim that most homophobes are repressed homosexuals. Homosexuals who are opposed to homosexual behaviour may suffer many of the same effects, to a lesser extent, as those with internalised homophobia. Some choose chastity in order to avoid conflict between their homosexuality and their beliefs. Others may try to become heterosexual through reparative therapy, though it is debated whether it is even possible to change sexual orientation (see causes of sexual orientation). Sometimes homosexuals who are opposed to homosexual behaviour, particularly politicians, are forcibly outed by campaign groups or newspapers. It is claimed that opposing homosexual behaviour while being homosexual is hypocritical and should be exposed. This is a controversial tactic.
Violence

Homophobia is fear, hatred, aversion to, disapproval of, prejudice or discrimination against homosexual people. Although the word was coined by a psychologist, homophobia is not a psychiatric term. There is no such thing as clinical homophobia, though the phenomenon of homophobia continues to be studied by groups like the American Psychiatric Association and the American Psychological Association. New psychiatric studies have linked deep hatred towards homosexuality to repressed homosexual feelings. (see "internalised homophobia", below). Homophobia has legal definitions in some countries, for example in the controversial gay panic defense, a form of insanity defense, or in hate crime legislation.

[jdj]

28. that's the one thing that never made sense to me

so many fundies are gay, in the closet, yet they have to make every effort to publicly decry it, which would seem to hurt their cause, but somehow it never does. Maybe they keep the military just for repblicans gay men exclusively, or try to.

God, what if it is a fundies only super secret CIA code going on right under our Out Loud and Proud noses.

Make me want to pull all their anti-gay speeches and try to decrypt them.

What if "Homosexuality is Evil" really means something like size 'queen, bottom, pudgie boys only'? What if this is how they hook up and let each other know who they are. It's a nationwide dating service all dressed up in God and Jesus...

[not fooled]

25. Don't f orget Victor Ashe...

...*'s special friend/room mate/Skull& Bonesman at college. Lots of rumors floating around that Ashe and * were involved then and thereafter (apparently * continued to visit Ashe regularly).

Another thread on DU recently had posts from someone in Knoxville, where Ashe became mayor, stating that it was an open secret that he was gay.

And, when * was appointed Resident, Ashe was made Ambassador to Poland, some say to get him out of the country.

Sure sounds as though the ultimate outing of a hypocritical, exploitative pol might be *.

[jdj]

32. from freaking mayor of Knoxville (fundie hell) to ambassador of Poland??

methinks you are right. No real Knoxvillian would ever get that far away and risk missing a Vols game. (God how I hated that town.)

[Clark2008]

37. I'm in Knoxville

But I live in a blue area.

Did you know the city of Knoxville voted blue this year. Yep, sure did. Went Kerry.

It's the county that's the problem. That's Freeperville. So, coupled with the minority who voted for Bush in the city, the whole damn county turned red.

We're improving - at least in the city and I'm happy to say that I think I'm part of that improvement.

Go Vols! :D

[jdj]

42. good to know

sorry if I was too rash, I transferred my senior year and lost five tenths of a point off my grade point average and lost some scholarships even though my previous school was on a five point scale and f*cking Farragut was on a ten point scale...so that started my two year tenure in Knoxville off badly.

I did get my very first wonderful taste of alternative music there, and that was the heyday of alternative music, late 80s, from the UT radio station. I'll never forget what it was like listening to that music for the very first time. But it weirded me out forever the way the whole city was a sea of that faded out orange on Fridays during football season. It was creepy, I thought they were all members of some color-blind cult.

[Clark2008]

44. We still have a great music scene here

We have some tremendous local blues bands and alternative rock is still going strong thanks to the university students. I worked at WUOT when I was in college. I was a Communications major (news reporting).

You weren't too rash. There are times when I wonder why I stay here (I know why - I'm a single Mother and my parents offer me tremendous help in co-parenting while I work. Plus, there aren't too many cities where you can buy a house on an acre of land in the city limit for less than $500 a month).

But, the city is getting more progressive. Yeah, we still are fighting battles. The Democrat was more qualified for mayor, but Bill Haslamm (aka "Goober") had the name and the money. Surprisingly, he didn't win in a landslide. Madeline Rogero got nearly 45 percent of the vote.

I think it's the influx of professors, employees at Oak Ridge who reside in Knoxville and students who are changing our demographics. I live in Fountain City and there were three Kerry signs for every one Bush sign. It was kind of nice. :)

P.S. I'm a Central High grad! Farragut is HUGE now and they're getting read to build another high school out west because both Farragut and Bearden are swamped with students.

[jdj]

45. I came from a school of only 800 total, so I thought

it was huge then. My graudating class was bigger, I think, than my whole high school in VA.

And only a handful of black students, which I couldn't understand.

It was weird how many friends I had whose parents were chemists. I had one friend, Shilpa Patel...BOTH of her parents were chemists.

[IronLionZion]

27. you know what they say about homophobes

just insecure closet homosexuals who try too hard to hide it.

anyway,


http://www.bettybowers.com/isbushgay.html

then google his relationship with his man-date, Victor Ashe

Then check out the flaming Republicans recently outed. They really are the fabulously Gay Old Party (GOP).

[hangemhigh]

31. Bush=Deeply Closeted. nt

[Clark2008]

35. OK - a thought here

How can Bush be both gay AND having an affair with Condaleezza Rice?

Your imagination is free to roam at this point. ;)

[jdj]

39. sadly, I could definitely see her as a woman who serially

falls in love with unattainable gay men.

[ultraist]

41. Maybe condi is not really a woman.

[Skittles]

48. please let him be what he is - asexual

I don't want to know

[Divine Discontent]

55. asexual, yes we'd like to think that about bush, but....

perhaps the TRUTH SHALL SET HIM FREE!!!!

oh by the way, here's the Scott from Canada he said that stuff to, when he told him he had a pretty face. (99% sure)...

and he is cute!

[eridani]

49. No, probably bisexual

And I feel every bit as lousy about that as most gay men feel about Hoover and Cohn and Fanny Spellman.

[begin_within]

56. For the sake of gay men, I'm praying that neither Bush nor Rove is gay.