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EarlG ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:49 PM
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Howard Kurtz should be fired
"Media critic?" What a joke. Kurtz is no less a White House stooge than "Jeff Gannon" himself.

Here's the recent exchange between Howard Kurtz and Wolf Blitzer on CNN:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/politics/administration/whbriefing/ (scroll down)

BLITZER: Is there any evidence that there's a connection, that the White House put him up to this to throw these kind of questions whether to Scott McClellan or to the president? Any evidence of wrongdoing, first of all, on the part of the White House?

KURTZ: No evidence whatsoever. I talked to Scott McClellan about this today, the White House spokesman. He said, first of all, President Bush didn't know who Jeff Gannon was when he called on him at that news conference.

Kurtz knows that there was no complicity between McClellan and Gannon - how? Because McClellan told him. He goes on:

KURTZ: But McClellan knows who he is. He calls on him at White House briefings from time to time. He says that there are a lot of people in the White House press room who have strong opinions and sometimes put them into their questions and it's not his job as the press secretary to be deciding who can get into the White House and who can't based on their political views. Gannon, by the way, says, sure, he's very conservative. He makes no bones about that. But he thinks that a lot of the reporters in the White House press room are liberal, and he provides some balance. . . . The issue I think is, should some of his liberal critics, these liberal bloggers, have started investigating his personal life in an effort to discredit him? It's fine to disagree with his politics, but did they go too far, I think a lot of people are asking, in dragging in some of this personal stuff?

BLITZER: I used to be a White House correspondent for many years, sat through numerous briefings. There are plenty of journalists that wear their politics on their sleeve, liberals, conservatives. What's wrong with journalists having these kind of views, being advocacy journalists, if you will?

KURTZ: I personally don't think there's anything wrong with it, as long as they make clear what their views are, as Jeff Gannon clearly did. A lot of people are questioning, well, why does this guy have White House press credentials? Because he doesn't write for a newspaper or magazine. Everything he writes is simply online. But in the age of blogging, that's hardly unusual. And he doesn't have a permanent -- what's called a hard pass. He just gets cleared into the White House on a day-to-day basis, which is a privilege that is pretty much open to any journalist.

It's a complete farce. Howard Kurtz is supposed to be a media critic, but he apparently feels too threatened by the blogosphere to do his job. In the exchange above he defends a "journalist" who did little more than write for a website. What's the difference between Talon News and a blog? There IS no difference, except Gannon put (Talon News) at the start of his articles and put a Talon News logo at the top.

Kurtz says "A lot of people are questioning, well, why does this guy have White House press credentials? Because he doesn't write for a newspaper or magazine. Everything he writes is simply online. But in the age of blogging, that's hardly unusual ... He just gets cleared into the White House on a day-to-day basis, which is a privilege that is pretty much open to any journalist."

Is it? Okay, so if I show up at the White House, tell them I'm from Democratic Underground News, and demand a day pass, will they let me in? Will I get to ask Scott McClellan a question? How about lots of questions? Oh, and do you think if Scottie does pick me to ask him something, I could get him to call me EarlG instead of Dave Allsopp?

Apparently Kurtz think it's acceptable for Gannon to do this.

I expect Howard Kurtz's beef is that while bloggers are the great unwashed who need to be kept at arms length, "Jeff Gannon" at least looks like a real reporter - he wears a suit, carries a notebook, and shows up at the White House. And Talon News looks like a real news organization - with a snazzy logo and everything.

Yet Kurtz himself admits that "Everything (Gannon) writes is simply online."

You want to know the difference between TalonNews.com and DemocraticUnderground.com? According to Alexa, TalonNews.com has a 3-month traffic rank average of 640,377. DemocraticUnderground.com has a 3-month traffic rank average of 4,671. DailyKos is ranked 4,378. Yes, a shitload more people get their news and information from places like DU and Kos than from Gannon's pisspot TalonBlog. But don't mention that to Howie Kurtz. He thinks we should all sit down and shut up, and that poor old "Jeff Gannon" should be back in the White House briefing room where he belongs.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:51 PM
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1. Give me a f'ing break, Howie...
he thinks that a lot of the reporters in the White House press room are liberal

Like WHO?

The only liberal I'm aware of is Helen Thomas, and they now don't let her ask questions anymore.

Howie is SUCH a media whore.
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Riding this Donkey Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:58 PM
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the non reporting of this by MSM truly shows the opposite of liberal bias
Nuff Said!
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 04:16 PM
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66. Exactly. This should be freakin' headlining!
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IceOwl Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 08:01 PM
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82. There must be at least a couple..
There's Russel Mokhbiber, who frequently appears on CommonDreams.org, whenever they actually let him ask any questions. I like his latest one, regarding the ten commandments in courtrooms.
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shoelace414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:52 PM
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2. ..
job as the press secretary to be deciding who can get into the White House

what about Helen Thomas?
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:52 PM
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3. Earl, you ought to try getting a daypass.
Just to see how easy it is. Then let us know if you succeeded. I bet you won't! ;)
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:55 PM
Response to Reply #3
8. PS: I'm serious.
Someone from DU ought to test this hypothesis. Are there any DC area DUers who can try this? John Kleeb, are you available?
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:26 PM
Response to Reply #3
43. Rachel Maddow tried this this morning on Unfiltered--had to leave a msg
at the WH. Will report if/when they call back!
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:29 PM
Response to Reply #43
44. She being the host of a national talk show should have an easier time
than some "Gannon" off the street. I wish I could try my hand at it.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:53 PM
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4. Note that Kurtz also wrote the indepth articles smearing Dan Rather.
He intentionally left out important information and slanted the piece in favor of Bush. That guy is not to be trusted at all.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #4
29. No doubt in my mind he writes his columns with his GOP PR/operative WIFE.
Especially whenever the White House is involved.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 11:24 AM
Response to Reply #29
96. What's his wife's name?
And what's the company she works for? Isn't she some PR specialist/manipulator/partisan?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:04 PM
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110. I think her name is Sherri Innis or Ennis...or could be spelling it wrong.
Edited on Fri Feb-11-05 06:32 PM by blm
.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:29 PM
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119. I googled howie kurtz's wife and got
this..SNIPS~
"Why Does Howard Kurtz Still Have a Job? (Why Oh Why Can't We Have a Better Press Corps? Department)
If the Washington Post's editors cared about running a newspaper, Howard Kurtz would be looking for a job tonight."..

"So Howie was trying to protect his wife's contracts, is that so wromg? I mean having a media critic employed by half the media might also seem bad but that never bothered the Post."




More at..
http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/2005-3_archives/000131.html
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 02:00 AM
Response to Reply #96
125. Sherri Annis, GOP spokeswhore
Edited on Sat Feb-12-05 02:05 AM by Bozita
I don't think that this is a Carville-Matalin type of marriage.

I'm betting that the Kurtzes are a lot closer in their political philosophies.

Here's an appropriate link:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,129703,00.html

Scroll down.


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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #29
100. CONTACT INFO FOR WASHINGTON POST including Ombudman:
Edited on Fri Feb-11-05 12:01 PM by calimary
Washington Post:

How can I contact Washington Post writers?: http://washingtonpost.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/washingtonpost.cfg/php/endu... *&p_li=

How do I submit a letter to the editor?: http://washingtonpost.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/washingtonpost.cfg/php/endu... *&p_li=

How do I submit an Op-Ed piece?
http://washingtonpost.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/washingtonpost.cfg/php/endu... *&p_li=

How do I contact the Ombudsman?: http://washingtonpost.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/washingtonpost.cfg/php/endu... *&p_li=

The Washington Post
1150 15th Street Northwest
Washington, DC 20071
Phone: 202-334-6000
Fax: 202-334-5269
E-mail: [email protected]

Ombudsman’s office phone: (202) 334 - 7582 Monday through Friday 7a - 6p

Just thought it'd be good to throw in to make it a little easier for people. REALLY, guys. The more, the better. They will be FORCED to respond in some way if they get a LOT of critical input about this. at the VERY least, Howie or the editorials people OWE IT TO THEIR READERS to do a full-disclosure column (and in a more prominent place where more people can see it. I don't know how many readers actively follow the Ombudsman's page week by week) just to make sure readers know that Howard Kurtz is married to a republi-CON operative. I mean, hey, it's VERY common knowledge in James Carville's case. It's the same reason that CNN should fully disclose Bill Schneider's base and thus HIS potential bias. Both these men ARE, after all, presented/introduced/bylined in such a way that it looks as though they are completely impartial and unconnected to partisanship. They are NOT.
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Julius Civitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:49 PM
Response to Reply #4
55. Send your complaint to the MEDIA MATTERS website
Everyone in this thread should take a few minutes and tell Media Matters for America bout this atrocity from Howard Kurtz:

http://mediamatters.org/

Howie Kurtz is a media whore of a major order, always shilling for Republicans and excusing the obscene behavior of conservative media people, no matter how obscene their behavior.

Howie Kurtz should NOT be a "media critic." He is a Republican shill, period.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 04:17 PM
Response to Reply #4
67. Interesting. Hannity says that Gannon "broke" the Rather memo story.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200502100001
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3085776

So Guckert (Gannon) writes the Rather story, and Kurtz picks it up and expands on it. And now we have Kurtz deflecting for Guckert.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #4
76. I'd love to know "why" Rather backed down...
after all those years? Just a useless thought at this point.
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Roxy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:54 PM
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5. I agree completly!!!
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:54 PM
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6. Howie is missing something very important when he says
"Yet Kurtz himself admits that "Everything (Gannon) writes is simply online."" Gannon was ascribed legimitacy by other news media or commentators when they quoted the information he published. Their sloppy journalism is to be indicted as well. All the egg on Howie's and Wolfie's nervious little chipmunk faces belongs there. They should be nervous.

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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 11:23 AM
Response to Reply #6
95. They certainly thought bloggers were impressive when they were
piling on Dan Rather. THAT was okay, I guess. But this poor, innocent victim - my-my-my.

Y'know what, THIS retired reporter says "Jeff Gannon" deserves EVERYTHING he gets. ALL the crap raining down upon him. He invited EVERY LAST BIT OF IT, as though he were a latter-day Gary Hart (who was messing around on the side, yet dared the press corps to follow him around and see if they could dig anything up - apparently presuming he'd covered his tracks sufficiently. STOOOOOOOPID). Dear "Jeff," let this be a lesson to ya: if you're gonna throw rocks, DON'T be living it up in a big glass house. If you're gonna be stupid enough to swagger into a bullfighting arena, DON'T wear a red shirt. "Jeff Gannon" deserves ALL of this. That's what he gets for slinging shit. Now he gets to eat it.
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:54 PM
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7. Geez
You'd think someone who's been around as long as Kurtz would know how ridiculous he sounds saying the WH didn't know about Gannon when he all he has to back that up is that is McClellan saying so.

And Nixon said he wasn't a crook.
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Riding this Donkey Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:59 PM
Response to Reply #7
15. as far as I know the idiot called him Jeff when he called on him!
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:55 PM
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9. Given that he is beholden to the bush admin for his wife's...
income, he should have to recuse himself from commenting on anything to do with the bush White House but that would mean he would have to have ethics, and, we know, he has NONE!

To add to that: There should be a disclaimer on everyone of his articles, appearances, etc, saying his wife earns her income via the bush/GOP organization.
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cry baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #9
22. What does his wife do with the administration?
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:12 PM
Response to Reply #22
31. She is a consultant that worked for the bush/cheney election...
campaign and does 'consulting' work for the bush admin.
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cry baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:31 PM
Response to Reply #31
46. good grief! n/t
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 05:55 PM
Response to Reply #31
108. I believe one of the RW think tanls as well, but I can't seem to find
the info I had on this. Apologies.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:33 PM
Response to Reply #31
120. How fucking "conflict of interest"
is that?!
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 03:30 PM
Response to Reply #22
104. She also worked for Arnie....nt
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cybildisobedience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 04:10 PM
Response to Reply #9
64. absolutely...
payola rules should apply to households, not individuals. If a big source of the family income in the Kurtz/Annis household comes directly from GOP coffers, readers of Kurtz's column should know about it.
At the very LEAST, he shouldn't be designated "media critic," when he hardly stands apart from this trainwreck, casting his critical eye from an objective perch. He's rolling around in the sewer with the rest of them!
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 05:54 PM
Response to Reply #9
107. Absolutely. David Brock politley ripped Kurtz a new one in
"The Republican Noise Machine" about this.

And properly so.
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:56 PM
Response to Original message
10. So what can/do we do?
Can we write en mass and try to get little Howie fired? Can we make him correct his story? I don't understand the whole idea that this is getting too personal after what they did to President Clinton.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:57 PM
Response to Reply #10
12. the WH gave orders to "cover up" and deflect.... he is no better than
gannon
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:58 PM
Response to Reply #10
14. You can write
to the Post's ombudsman.
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:01 PM
Response to Reply #14
18. I've done that
and to CNN but we need to bombard them.
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obxgreendog Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 04:04 AM
Response to Reply #10
89. Too Personal
that was 1 of the more bizarre things Mr Spin Cycle (aka Howie) said... too personal!?#%# After all the personal comments made during the exchange & on Reliable Sources & on Wolfie"s show... i could not believe he could say that with a straight face... with the exception of not making "personal" comments about Guckert (call me by my non-legal, "professional name" Jeff Gannon) i've always heard personal snide remarks made about anyone discussed. Wed, Howie repeated without saying allegedly, Guckert's aka Gannon's allegations that liberals (personal?) had been threatening, stalking & assaulting his family... and bushie has invited me to Crawford 4 the weekend.... :)
obxgreendog
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 10:50 AM
Response to Reply #89
93. Hi obxgreendog!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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obxgreendog Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 10:23 PM
Response to Reply #93
122. Re:Welcome
Edited on Fri Feb-11-05 10:32 PM by obxgreendog
Thanx 4 the welcome!i've been reading 4 some time but got riled BIG TIME by this silliness :yourock:
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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 11:44 AM
Response to Reply #89
99. Hi there obxgreendog
Welcome to DU. Glad you're here. :bounce:
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obxgreendog Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #99
123. thanx 4 the welcome
i've been rdg 4 sometimebut we had quite a noreaster last nite which electrified me & it was quite cathartic 2 find kindred souls disgusted with all the madness...:toast: :hippie:
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 12:10 PM
Response to Reply #89
101. By the way - have they bothered to point out the threatening, stalking
Edited on Fri Feb-11-05 12:18 PM by calimary
and assaulting of the family of Michael Moore? Moore has said publicly that wrong-wingers have placed his home address and phone number, the identities of his family members, AND photos of the house and how to get there - ONLINE, openly encouraging bad guys to go do something about him. When Michael Moore was here in L.A. in December, he had security guys with him. They were on either side of the stage, and we audience members all had to go through a security check upon entering. Do they say anything about THAT, too?

This, too, needs to be brought out. This is nothing more than one of their own getting a taste of their own medicine. It's HORRENDOUSLY VILE medicine. No wonder they don't like it.

on edit -

Almost forgot: I wanted to post the link to an earlier DU thread that discusses the benefits and impact of contacting the media. It REALLY does work, even though sometimes it seems to take forever. And it works most swiftly and effectively if there are huge volumes of viewer/listener/reader comments. Big numbers CANNOT be denied or avoided or dismissed. They just can't.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1583684

Oh yes - and one more thing: Welcome to DU, obxgreendog! I'm glad you're here, too. We NEED you.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:56 PM
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11. No evidence whatsoever.
What you wrote my exact reaction to reading that line.

Complete bullsh*t they tried to put the story down and away but I think they are finding out exactly how many people no longer trust them for any news - and I am talking about both sides- and I hope they suck on it.

CNN should review the recent history of the typewriter and learn something.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:58 PM
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13. I say we put this to the test.
"He just gets cleared into the White House on a day-to-day basis, which is a privilege that is pretty much open to any journalist."

Anyone up for trying to get cleared?
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cry baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:02 PM
Response to Reply #13
20. DU has lots of posters that would be great in there, though they
would never get called on.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #20
30. It's not about getting called on.
I guarantee we don't get in at all.
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cry baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:30 PM
Response to Reply #30
45. They said that just about anyone could get in, why not put it to the test
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #13
21. I used to write for the local paper here,
does that count? I would be up for it. Seriously.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #21
23. Yes! Someone should test this.
If you can, great! It would be great if someone identified as a reporter from DemocraticUnderground.com tested it, too.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #21
28. I'm up for it as well.
I think it would be interesting to see what happens.
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WLKjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:01 PM
Response to Original message
16. Howie Howie Howie
your such a shill and you know it. IF gannon can get a day by day pass for his toilet news agency, then every frickin' blogger in the US should get one too and be able to ask questions of your golden GWB.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 10:58 PM
Response to Reply #16
85. I foresee a vast movement
hundreds, nay thousands lining up at the WH politely requesting day credentials and question privileges.

Too bad nobody there will admit to being responsible for giving out credentials, as of today...
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cry baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:01 PM
Response to Original message
17. Rove probably wrote every word of that, it was scripted. n/t
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:02 PM
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19. Sadly WaPo has become a joke
Edited on Thu Feb-10-05 03:14 PM by Mandate My Ass
and Kurtz is talking out his arse. The WH has admitted they tightly control the message and how it's conveyed many, many times over and yet when evidence appears that it's being done in a shady manner by a non journalist who is at the very least promoting prostitution, they gotta pull out their best spinners and apologists to point the finger at mean lefties.

WaPo lost no time jumping on the Al Gore fundraising from the WH story but when this WH has been caught several times in recent months of engaging in payola, they say :boring:

He's more likely to be rewarded than fired. He was sent out to deliver exactly the message he did. "Nothing to see here: move along."
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:07 PM
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24. I think you should do it
try to get in and ask a question.

We have a better logo
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frictionlessO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:07 PM
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25. A rallying cry if I've ever seen one EarlG! nominated! nt
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:08 PM
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26. The President didn't know who Gannon was?
Edited on Thu Feb-10-05 03:08 PM by Birthmark
Really? Then explain this, Mr. Kurtz!

"Some of your friends are surprised that you like to come out here basically in the middle of nowhere and just kind of be by yourself.

THE PRESIDENT: I guess they don't know what it's like to be the President. (Laughter.) I get plenty of quality time with a lot of really good people. Sometimes, it's important to just get away as well.

Plus, you know, one of the things we miss in Washington is our friends. And they're here. We've got the Weisses here, the Gannons are here, Pam Nelson is here. And we find it really relaxing to sit down on the porch with our buddies and just shoot the breeze. And, you know, it's amazing. You don't have to defend any policy you make. I mean, your friends are your friends. These people were friends of mine before I became President, they'll be friends of mine after I'm the President. And people just take you for what you are."


http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/08/20010825-2.html

Thanks to the DUer who posted this link last night. I don't remember who it was, but ain't it just one helluva find? ;)
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:13 PM
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32. Sweet Find Indeed!
Kick
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:15 PM
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35. Those Gannons are someone else. Some footballer and his wife.
Not the Guckerts.
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:25 PM
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42. I thought of that
Do you mean Rich Gannon of the Oakland Raiders? That would be odd, considering that the date is August 25. The NFL preseason is in full swing then, with the regular season looming in just a week or two.

Also, the caption on the photo accompanying the transcript says, "It may not be a show down at high noon, but a few good-natured shots are fired as President Bush gives the press pool a tour of his ranch at Crawford, Texas, Aug. 25. White House photo by Moreen Ishikawa"

Would Bush know Jeff Gannon as "Guckert?"

Not saying your wrong, but at first blush I'm having a hard time making this work, Burt.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:32 PM
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47. That's what someone told me.
I would find it hard to believe the cousin of Queen Elizabeth would be shooting the breeze with anyone as common as freeper porno boy.
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:35 PM
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50. Good point.
:)
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EarlG ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 04:35 PM
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73. The President didn't know who Gannon was?
Assuming that "the Gannons" in that White House transcript aren't the Guckerts, the idea that Bush didn't know who he was is still ridiculous. Check out this snippet from a press gaggle which was posted further down the thread:

Q: Okay, and how did he get picked to get a question asked at the last news conference?

MR. McCLELLAN: He didn't. The President didn't have a list. The President didn't -- he was in the briefing room. There are assigned seats in the briefing room. We didn't do any assigning of seats, and the President worked his way through the rows, and called on people as he came to them. He doesn't know who he is.

Five seconds earlier, from the same transcript:

Q: Was he coming for --

MR. McCLELLAN: Hang on. I think he's been coming for more than two years now.

So apparently Gannon has been showing up at White House press briefings for two years, but Bush doesn't know who he is? Right.

Incidentally, I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but look what was being asked of Bush at the news conference just prior to Gannon's infamous "divorced form reality" comment:

Q: Mr. President, do you think it's a proper use of government funds to pay commentators to promote your policies?

THE PRESIDENT: No.

Q: Are you going to order that --

THE PRESIDENT: Therefore, I will not pay you to -- (laughter.)

Q: Fair enough. Are you ordering that there be an end to that practice?

THE PRESIDENT: Yes, I am. I expect my Cabinet Secretaries to make sure that that practice doesn't go forward. There needs to be independence. And Mr. Armstrong Williams admitted he made a mistake. And we didn't know about this in the White House, and there needs to be a nice, independent relationship between the White House and the press, the administration and the press. So, no, we shouldn't be going for it.

Yes, sir.

Q: Well, Mr. Williams made a mistake --

THE PRESIDENT: Who?

Q: Mr. Williams made a mistake. Did the Department of Education make a mistake?

THE PRESIDENT: Yes. They did.

Q: What will happen to the people that made this decision?

THE PRESIDENT: We've got new leadership going to the Department of Education. But all our Cabinet Secretaries must realize that we will not be paying commentators to advance our agenda. Our agenda ought to be able to stand on its own two feet. I'm confident you'll be, over the course of the next four years, willing to give our different policies an objective look -- won't you? Yes, I can see that.

Yes, sir.

Q: Thank you. Senate Democratic leaders have painted a very bleak picture of the U.S. economy. Harry Reid was talking about soup lines, and Hillary Clinton was talking about the economy being on the verge of collapse. Yet, in the same breath, they say that Social Security is rock-solid and there's no crisis there. How are you going to work -- you said you're going to reach out to these people -- how are you going to work with people who seem to have divorced themselves from reality?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/01/20050126-3.html
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 10:46 PM
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84. "Mistake" my fat ass!
A mistake is putting engine oil in your transmission. This is no "mistake"--it's a crime, period.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 06:03 PM
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80. Someone needs to get this on the Memory Hole.
Just in case the White House decides to "update" its site by purging this page.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:35 PM
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121. But how do we know it is
THE gannon/aka/guckert?
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:08 PM
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27. Who live in Washington and can try this?
Seriously. Someone needs to go up there and try to get in as reporter for DU News. Fuck, let's ALL go.
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EarlG ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:15 PM
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36. According to Kurtz, anyone with a blog can get in
"But in the age of blogging, that's hardly unusual. And he doesn't have a permanent -- what's called a hard pass. He just gets cleared into the White House on a day-to-day basis, which is a privilege that is pretty much open to any journalist."

So I guess this mean anyone can just show up and say "I'm blahblahblah.com's Senior White House Correspondent."
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:17 PM
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38. So David Allen should become Senior White House Correspondent
for the Dispatch United News service and tesst the waters on that claim.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:17 PM
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39. Deleted message
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:21 PM
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41. Great! Are ya'll in Washington? I'd have to fly there to try this out.
Edited on Thu Feb-10-05 03:22 PM by crispini
*Someone* should do it. Seriously. edit: the HELL with it, ALL of us. Anyone who lives in the area should go ask for a WH press pass and come back and report. It'd be brilliant!
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:50 PM
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57. Could you explain the 3-month traffic rank numbers?
I don't understand what they mean.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 04:09 PM
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63. Perhaps DU should hire a "Senior White House Correspondent"? (nt)
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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 04:34 PM
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71. No, I think you should be the White House Bureau Chief
It sounds more impressive, at least to Howie Kurtz.

C ya,

The Plaid Adder
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:01 PM
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109. PA, maybe you or Will Pitt could get a press pass?
I'll vouch for you!
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 05:50 PM
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106. I'd love to see Plaid Adder ask Dubya a question or two!
She's been read by a helluva lot more folks than that "loose Gannon"
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:23 PM
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117. But will the chimp call on them?
chimpy was in on this!
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:13 PM
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33. Leslie is having Guckert on today
:eyes:

We'll see who can out fellate the other.
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obxgreendog Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 04:26 AM
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90. Guckert on Wolf Blitzer show
well, it was a real toss-up starting with Howie's softball lead-in... Wolfie did ask a couple of follow-up questions about his fam being attacked (kinda personal esp with howie over there in the wings)... Guckert-no, call me by my non-legal "professional name Gannon", didn't pass the most rudimentary sniff test...
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:14 PM
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34. Covering Up For White House Courtesy of CNN, Kurtz and Blizter
Basically it was...look Wolf, there is no story here, time to move on....God forbid CNN insinuate the White House did anything in the least bit fraudulent.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:16 PM
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37. Yep. A disgusting PARTY Infoganda Whore
There is no doubt in my mind that this is the most disgraceful age of American "Journalism" EVER, so bad I question even calling them "journalists" as it soils the name.

Oh, we have had eras of a Bad Press, but never one which so monolithically served one side or another's agenda.

As if there has EVER been a Democratic High Official, present or former, who ever ran a major TV station like Fatbelly Roger Ailes.

Nowhere has their ever been such an analogous High Democratic Official, present or former, who ran a major network.

So, even though the Yellow Journalism at the turn of the 20th Century ranks pretty low, some very good Investigative Journalism came out, such as Upton Sinclair's The Jungle, it never knelt before the Altar of an Emperor and his minions exclusively.

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Bethany Rockafella Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:20 PM
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40. I think Kurtz is probably sleeping with Gannon.
He's defending that guy too hard.
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:48 PM
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54. That was my thought - but I have to remember
it's all about a non-journalist lobbing soft questions at * AND it's all about the Plame leak.
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:35 PM
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48. That is EXACTLY what I said they were going to say ...
when someone had a thread the other day about how Gannon was going to be 'dealt with':

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=2602646&mesg_id=2602874


These jerks are so predictable and transparent, it amazes me that we can't ever seem to head them off at the pass.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:35 PM
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49. I put this on my blog, Earl
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:36 PM
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51. The Blitzer and Kurtz report on Gannon was the rankest of kabuki. Wolf
Edited on Thu Feb-10-05 03:39 PM by oasis
asked Howie questions that he, (Wolf) could easily answer himself.

Such a lame dog and pony show they put on for CNN viewers.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:42 PM
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52. Whore! n/t
:kick:
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:46 PM
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53. "Advocacy Journalists"
Is that a term that is generally used? I don't recall ever hearing it before. And it's the same term McClellan used today during the press gaggle.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/02/20050210-6.html

Q Jeff Gannon. How did he get a White House pass, or what kind of credentials did he have?

MR. McCLELLAN: Just like anyone else who comes to the White House.

Q Hard pass?

MR. McCLELLAN: No, he had never applied for a hard pass. He had a daily pass. I think he's been coming for --

Q Was he coming for --

MR. McCLELLAN: Hang on. I think he's been coming for more than two years now.

Q Under what name?

MR. McCLELLAN: Sorry?

Q Under what name?

MR. McCLELLAN: Well, you have to get cleared. You have to -- just like anybody else that comes to the White House, you have to have your full name, your Social Security number and your birth date. So you have to be cleared just like anybody else.

Q So he was being cleared under James Guckert, or whatever his name is?

MR. McCLELLAN: My understanding, yes.

Q Okay, and how did he get picked to get a question asked at the last news conference?

MR. McCLELLAN: He didn't. The President didn't have a list. The President didn't -- he was in the briefing room. There are assigned seats in the briefing room. We didn't do any assigning of seats, and the President worked his way through the rows, and called on people as he came to them. He doesn't know who he is.

Q Were you aware that he had another name?

MR. McCLELLAN: Was I aware? I had heard that. I had heard that, yes, recently.

Q But did you know during all this time that he really wasn't Jeff Gannon?

MR. McCLELLAN: I heard at some point, yes -- previously.

Q As Press Secretary, what do you think about this whole --

MR. McCLELLAN: Well, like I said -- what do I think about it? Well, let me explain a few things. First, as the press secretary, I don't think it's the role of the Press Secretary to get into picking or choosing who gets press credentials. Also, I don't think it's the role of the Press Secretary to get into being a media critic, and I think there are very good reasons for that. I've never inserted myself into the process. He, like anyone else, showed that he was representing a news organization that published regularly, and so he was cleared two years ago to receive daily passes, just like many others are. The issue comes up -- it becomes, in this day and age, when you have a changing media, it's not an easy issue to decide or try to pick and choose who is a journalist. And there -- it gets into the issue of advocacy journalism. Where do you draw the line? There are a number of people who cross that line in the briefing room.

And, as far as I'm concerned, I would welcome the White House Correspondents Association, if they have any concerns or issues that they want to bring to my attention, they know my door is open and I'll be glad to discuss these issues with them. I have an open dialogue with the Correspondents Association. No one's ever brought such an issue to my attention, in my -- during my time as being Press Secretary. And you all cover the briefing room on a regular basis. You know that there are a number of people in that room that express their points of view, and there are people in that room that represent traditional media, they represent talk radio, they represent -- they're columnists, and they represent online news organizations.

Q Was the White House aware at all -- was the White House aware -- was the White House aware at all about the online websites that he was linked to?

MR. McCLELLAN: No. This has only come to my attention through the news reports, just a few reporters calling in.

Q But just to make it clear, the only criteria, from the White House perspective is, someone can pass the Secret Service background check

MR. McCLELLAN: No, no, that's not -- first of all, I don't involve myself in that process, it's handled at a staff level. Like I said, if the White House Correspondents Association ever wants to talk about issues, I welcome that. But it becomes an issue -- it becomes an issue of where do you draw the line? Do you draw the line at advocacy journalism because there are a number of people that crossed that line, as I said? But there's hard -- there's hard passes and there's daily passes, as you are well aware. For a hard pass, you have to have a House and Senate credential, you have to regularly cover the White House, you have to apply for it, you have to go through a detailed FBI background check.

My understanding was, when he started coming to the White House about two years ago, the staff asked to see that it -- that he represented a news organization that published regularly. And they showed that, so he was cleared and has been cleared ever since based on that time.

And this is just now something that's come to my attention more recently because it's been an issue raised in some media reports.

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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 04:10 PM
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65. Yeah if you're an ADVOCATE for the President or Republican policy
Then what is the point of questions? To Question means something. It doesn't mean pretend to ask when your sure the answer will be what you want it to be to fit your viewpoint.

Those "journalists" are the proxy of the American people. We don't get to ask the "president" any questions, so they do. And if they are merely advocating for whatever the president already has said done and believes, then they might as well go away.

To question. It means something. It means to have a debate, to define, to shed light upon, to think.

Propaganda is the opposite of thought.
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frictionlessO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:13 PM
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86. So forthrightly well put!!! Thank you ! nt
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:50 PM
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56. No sh*t.... Kurtz works for CNN & WAPO yet he's a 'news' critic
Kind of hard to be objective when your job is to criticize the news-service that signs your paycheck.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:51 PM
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58. Couldn't agree more
He's repeatedly shown himself to be an apologist for Junior and his Merry Band. The "cover" of being "objective" is an absolute sham.

What's worse is that the intimation is that he's actually a bit of a skeptical lefty, being from the Washington Post, so the suggestion is that EVERYONE agrees with the right-wing viewpoint.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:04 PM
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111. We need to keep harping on his RW shill wife.
Tirelessly. He'll break, I bet.
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LondonReign2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:51 PM
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59. The Finest Whores
BLITZER: What's wrong with journalists having these kind of views, being advocacy journalists, if you will?

KURTZ: I personally don't think there's anything wrong with it.

Ummm...advocacy journalists!?/!!?!?

Proof that Leslie (and of course Howie) is a clueless whore.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:05 PM
Response to Reply #59
112. Of course not, as long as they are on the same social list as
Howie and Leslie.
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LiberallyInclined Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:53 PM
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60. yup. saw the exchange yesterday...
wolfie was hyping it all thru his show, then he and howie had this little dialogue...i couldn't believe what i was seeing/hearing.

kurtz is an ass.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:54 PM
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61. I agree this guy is a total apologist
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 03:58 PM
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62. Agree -
there is something about this story that Kurtz is very tense about. A couple more interviews with him on TV and I bet he has a melt down. A media critic covering up for a stooge like Gannon?

Kurtz proved himself to be a propagandist on this story.

requesting the WaPo fire Kurtz
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:07 PM
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113. I think we should go after him on CNN. It'll expose CNN's
underbelly in the process.

If CNN gives him the boot, WaRo is sure to follow.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 04:20 PM
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68. Are there any laws on the books, I mean any laws at all
about news organizations deliberately misleading the public? If not there should be. I mean at least there should be some kind of disclaimer law where all these RW screamers have to state that their program is only entertainment and not to be taken as factual.

I know there is a slippery slope here of news being reported that was thought to be factual and then turns out not to be, but it seems there can be a line drawn here that's not to be crossed without incurring a hefty fine.

This might force these propaganda outlets to get their act straightened out or get out of the business.
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uhhuh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 02:06 PM
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103. Nope
In fact, courts have ruled that it is ok to lie in the news, as was demonstrated in the lawsuit brought by former Fox reporters who sued for being fired for refusing to lie in a report about Monsanto.
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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 04:24 PM
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69. I keep saying, you or Skinner should apply for a day pass.
And see how far you get. I mean, you're certainly closer to being a journalist than Gannon is, because you actually write your own content. And DU actually carries advertising.

I would apply myself, only I don't live in DC. But you guys do. You should apply for a day pass, and if you get one, go to a briefing and do a story about it. We would LOVE to know what really goes on at those God damn things. And if you don't get a day pass, you can do a story about THAT.

Call their bluff, I say,

The Plaid Adder
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 05:48 PM
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77. I think that's a wonderful idea.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 11:44 AM
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98. Yes, absolutely! We should test this.
We would indeed get mileage out of it, whether someone was able to get a day pass (and all the stuff they witness inside), or not cleared for a day pass (and all the runaround and bullshit they mumble as they deny clearance and others are walking in with their own and whether there are still other bloggers trying this same experiment).

It would be MOST informative, interesting, relevant, topical, and ENTERTAINING! And one more thing:

It would create an EXCELLENT and MOST provocative "second-day lead," which is when a story was hot enough the first day to carry over to the next day, but you look for a fresher angle on it. Therefore, it would have MONDO-watercooler potential (people chit-chatting and tut-tutting about it at work), and it would keep the story alive. Plus, it would enlarge the story to one of the arenas where American news/information consumers need it to be: the fraud perpetrated to get so close to the president, and inside the White House (I mean, what if this guy was an Osama sympathizer? He'd have been a good mole - white guy, doesn't look Moslem, has a phony name and bogus operational vehicle, I mean, SHEESH!!! And THESE are the same people who wrap themselves in 9/11 every five minutes. And the fraud being perpetrated on the American people's right to know, truth in advertising, all the rest of it - when wolves in sheep's clothing can pull off shenanigans like this. From the NO WONDER WE ARE SO WOEFULLY UNINFORMED file.
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FreakySally Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 04:31 PM
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70. ok so who's going?
And why don't we start a list of questions.

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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 10:55 AM
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94. Hi FreakySally!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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FreakySally Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 01:49 PM
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102. THANKS!!!!!!!!! GLAD TO BE HERE!!!!
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 04:34 PM
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72. Ron Suskind said it best about McClellan
I read a quote (looking for link) that Ron Suskind said McClellan not knowing about this fake journalist getting press creditionals is like a hospital chief os staff not realizing a surgury is being performed by someone who isn't a doctor
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Maguzzi Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 04:39 PM
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74. get ten peeps to the press room
cmon lets see what they say
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 05:41 PM
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75. Salon, Talon... anyone see similarities here?
Maybe it's just me. But, does this me as bloggers all of us can "get-in" to the White House oval office and ask a bunch of tough, needle-nose questions to Mr. Prez????

I mean, seems no one needs to be a "real" reporter, nor have "real" credentials, and I can pick some name I've been smitten with for, geez, oh so long now... And at the same time I could start a "Young Buck-a-Roo for Ladies Only" web site with a rating of XXXX (for us mid-aged single gals), filled with smut and the like, and it would be "OK," right?

On a serious note, "What the hey happened to all the billions of taxpayer's dollars on HOMELAND security for King George?"

Or do I have this all wrong!?! Is it me? Does anyone see that King George picks and chooses, then when he's done with his cronies he releases them, like fall-guys! Un-FReePIN ReaL!

Hope someone out here's taking notes. Should we laugh or cry!?!
:bounce:
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 05:49 PM
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78. What a traitor!!!
When they hold trials (and one day they will), I hope they line him up next to Novak, Gannon, Tweety, Hannity, Rush, etc...

I hope they give them the chair!!!
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 05:51 PM
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79. He's just got his finger in the crumbling dam
The paid reporters thing is the tip of the iceberg. Kurtz obviously is being paid by the RW also, otherwise how could he be so completely oblivious to Gannon, and the others.

Kurtz is just trying to keep his paycheck from BushCo as long as possible.

He's not lying anymore today than he usually does. It simply does no good to watch any of these goons any more.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 06:06 PM
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81. "fine to disagree with his politics" but personal stuff goes too far?
Tell it to Hillary, Bill and Monica! :nopity:
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 10:46 PM
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83. Howie is a pantie-waste! Wonder how much he gets paid? Hmmm...
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obxgreendog Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 03:31 AM
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87. Kurtz Should Be Fired!
i happened to catch Howie with Wolfie on Wed & Thu & went apoplectic... Mr Reliable Sources was neither reliable nor sourced having only talked with Scottie... He made no sense, contradicted every other sentence & was a total lapdog for J Guckert aka Jeff Gannon... i lost all respect for Mr Spin Cycle aka Howard Kurtz in 1 fell swoop...
obxgreendog
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 03:53 AM
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88. Fuck Kurtz! n/t
:nuke:
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 05:54 AM
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91. That's why we call 'im
Howie the whore.
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 08:00 AM
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92. I couldn't agree more.
Instead of emailing the whore himself, we ought to email the editor. He is just one of many presstitutes that need to go. There bias is as plain as day now and the evidence of an extreme regressive run propaganda machine are growing by the hour.
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farmbo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 11:37 AM
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97. Increasingly, the MSM has become a haven for kooks and conspiracy nuts!
"Absolutely no evidence of a White House connection?!"

That's rich!

:smoke:

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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 05:48 PM
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105. Kurtz is also guilty of conflict of interest, big time
As The Nation pointed out, Kurtz is receiving a paycheck from CNN while reporting on CNN for the Washington Post. That's the clearest conflict of journalistic objectivity and interest imaginable.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:12 PM
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114. CNN is also guilty of "doctoring" exit poll numbers on election night.
They've hitched their wagon to the Bushco.Mob. The Mob's "Code of Conduct" has been activated. "Once you're in, you stay in".
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:14 PM
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115. Could you imagine if Kurtz investigated Watergate instead of
Woodward and Bernstein?

BLITZER: Is there any evidence that there's a connection, that the White House put them up to this to breaking into the Watergate Hotel? Any evidence of wrongdoing, first of all, on the part of the White House?

KURTZ: No evidence whatsoever. I talked to Nixon's Press secretary about this today. He said, first of all, President Nixon didn't know anything about this so called burglary.

Thanks for nothing Kurtz, you piece of worthless shit.
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SeveneightyWhoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 06:11 AM
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127. LOL!
Wow, that about sums it up.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:21 PM
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116. The problem is..kurtz is
doing exactly what his bosses at coverupnetworknews want him to do.

We should think about mass protest at Atlanta(cnn) instead of D.C. ..the next time people want to rally.

howie is one of the biggest fascist mediawhores to EVER come down the pike!
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:26 PM
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118. I agree. Protest the Bush propagandists at CNN headquarters. The others
will get the message.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 01:38 AM
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124. BuzzFlash has named Kurtz its Republican Hypocrite of the Week
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 11:49 PM
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126. Great thread!
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