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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 08:30 AM
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Devastating New Yorker article: "Outsourcing Torture"
Edited on Tue Feb-08-05 08:34 AM by G_j
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?050214fa_fact6

OUTSOURCING TORTURE
by JANE MAYER

The secret history of Americas extraordinary rendition program.

Issue of 2005-02-14
Posted 2005-02-07

On January 27th, President Bush, in an interview with the Times, assured the world that torture is never acceptable, nor do we hand over people to countries that do torture. Maher Arar, a Canadian engineer who was born in Syria, was surprised to learn of Bushs statement. Two and a half years ago, American officials, suspecting Arar of being a terrorist, apprehended him in New York and sent him back to Syria, where he endured months of brutal interrogation, including torture. When Arar described his experience in a phone interview recently, he invoked an Arabic expression. The pain was so unbearable, he said, that you forget the milk that you have been fed from the breast of your mother.

Arar, a thirty-four-year-old graduate of McGill University whose family emigrated to Canada when he was a teen-ager, was arrested on September 26, 2002, at John F. Kennedy Airport. He was changing planes; he had been on vacation with his family in Tunisia, and was returning to Canada. Arar was detained because his name had been placed on the United States Watch List of terrorist suspects. He was held for the next thirteen days, as American officials questioned him about possible links to another suspected terrorist. Arar said that he barely knew the suspect, although he had worked with the mans brother. Arar, who was not formally charged, was placed in handcuffs and leg irons by plainclothes officials and transferred to an executive jet. The plane flew to Washington, continued to Portland, Maine, stopped in Rome, Italy, then landed in Amman, Jordan.

During the flight, Arar said, he heard the pilots and crew identify themselves in radio communications as members of the Special Removal Unit. The Americans, he learned, planned to take him next to Syria. Having been told by his parents about the barbaric practices of the police in Syria, Arar begged crew members not to send him there, arguing that he would surely be tortured. His captors did not respond to his request; instead, they invited him to watch a spy thriller that was aired on board.

Ten hours after landing in Jordan, Arar said, he was driven to Syria, where interrogators, after a day of threats, just began beating on me. They whipped his hands repeatedly with two-inch-thick electrical cables, and kept him in a windowless underground cell that he likened to a grave. Not even animals could withstand it, he said. Although he initially tried to assert his innocence, he eventually confessed to anything his tormentors wanted him to say. You just give up, he said. You become like an animal.

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CIA Abductions of Terror Suspects Are 'Out of Control'
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/020705A.shtml

CIA Renditions of Terror Suspects Are 'Out of Control:' Report
Agence France-Presse

Sunday 06 February 2005

The Central Intelligence Agency's 'rendition' of suspected terrorists has spiralled 'out of control' according to a former FBI agent, cited in a report which examined how CIA detainees are spirited to states suspected of using torture.

Michael Scheuer a former CIA counterterrorism agent told The New Yorker magazine "all we've done is create a nightmare," with regard to the top secret practice of renditions.

In an article titled 'Outsourcing Torture' (see above) due to hit newsstands this week, the magazine claims suspects, sometimes picked up by the CIA, are often flown to Egypt , Morocco, Syria and Jordan , "each of which is known to use torture in interrogations."

The report said suspects are given few, if any, legal protections.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 08:35 AM
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1. War crime? Impeachable?
What can be done about this?

I'm at a loss that the little SonofaBush can get away with it........
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peace4all Donating Member (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 09:25 AM
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3. but he's not responsible
for ANYTHING :argh:
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 07:18 PM
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20. Says who.
Says who.

Think about it.
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AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 08:42 AM
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2. That last paragraph does it
Although he initially tried to assert his innocence, he eventually confessed to anything his tormentors wanted him to say. You just give up, he said. You become like an animal.
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Torture doesn't work. When will these people get it?
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 09:57 AM
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4. They don't torture for info
They torture for kicks. These are sickos who, for the time being, have power to evade civic norms.

Like a school-yard bully, or the Germans at Auschwitz, the Spaniards to the Indians, and, the master to his slave, these sick headed war mongers relish their inhumanity.
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kurtyboy Donating Member (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 01:35 AM
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26. They torture for kicks.............
Ripper:
Mandrake, were you ever a prisoner of war?

Mandrake:
Well, Jack, the time's running...very... huh?

Ripper:
Were you ever a prisoner of war?

Mandrake:
Ah yes I was. Matter of fact, Jack, I was.

Ripper:
Did they torture you?

Mandrake:
Ah... yes, they did. I was tortured by the Japanese, Jack, if you must know. Not a pretty story.

Ripper:
Well what happened?

Mandrake:
Oh... well... I don't know, Jack. Difficult to think of under these conditions. But, well, what happened was they got me on the old Rangoon HNRR railway. I was laying train mines for the bloody Japanese puff puffs.

Ripper:
No, I mean when they tortured you, did you talk?

Mandrake:
Ah, oh no, I ah... I don't think they wanted me to talk, really. I don't think they wanted me to say anything. It was just their way of having... a bit of fun, the swines. Strange thing is they make such bloody good cameras.

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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:18 AM
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5. I suspect
it has been ordered by people (like Rumsfeld and Bush)
who are both ignorant and sadistic.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 01:08 PM
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6. kick
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 01:43 PM
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7. It sickens and saddens me
Kick
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 01:50 PM
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8. Saw Jane Mayer on "Hardball" last night. She was excellent.
Outsourcing Torture is a must-read. The New Yorker is doing some damn fine stuff lately. Here is a link to Seymour Hersh's The Coming Wars (Iran) in last week's New Yorker:

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?050124fa_fact
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 03:49 PM
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11.  the NYer: both this piece & Hersh's article are crucial
Edited on Tue Feb-08-05 03:52 PM by G_j
reading.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 09:05 PM
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23. I agree
I'm spreading them like wildfire. Mainly by link to protect the intellectual property of these two great reporters.


GOP Moral Arbitrator
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clem_c_rock Donating Member (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:17 PM
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9. REPEAT OVER AND OVER

Freedom, Democracy, Freedom, Democracy, Freedom, Democracy,
Freedom, Democracy, Freedom, Democracy, Freedom, Democracy, Freedom, Democracy

We're a righteous country and if you disagree, eat lead.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 06:45 PM
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17. Hey, you forgot Tyranny!
That's the new buzz word now, Freedom and Democracy are sooooooooooo...last month!
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Synnical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:47 PM
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10. A must read
Thanks.



:kick:
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 04:37 PM
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12. kick
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RedCappedBandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 05:10 PM
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13. No, you have it all wrong!
We Americans love morality and liberty!


:grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :mad: :mad:
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 05:37 PM
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14. Evil. (nt)
Edited on Tue Feb-08-05 05:37 PM by w4rma
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purduejake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 06:06 PM
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15. So how many American citizens are going through this?
...or have survived to talk about it? Does anybody know? I fear it's one of those things that most people are complacent about before they start coming for YOU.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 06:10 PM
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16. Outsourcing torture
is a most heinous crime. Bush is responsible, and for this crime, he should most certainly be impeached. To think that innocent people are being tortured is beyond belief. Even guilty people should not be tortured! There are other and better ways to get info from them. It just curdles my blood to think of what is being done in our name.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 07:13 PM
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19. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 08:14 PM
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21. Welcome to DU
Enjoy your (short) stay
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 06:49 PM
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18. Just more evidence of "Bu$h's Watergate-on-Steroids"
So very pleased this is on the front page of DU!!

I call it:

CIAir: Cheap fares to 5-star torture havens

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


BE THE BU$H OPPOSITION; 24/7
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Julius Civitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 08:16 PM
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22. Words fail me
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:12 PM
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24. Kick.
:dem: :kick:
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 11:52 PM
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25. Syria?
For some reason sending him to Syria seems strange since they're not exactly our friends.

Regardless, this is just horrible. I can't believe someone is doing this to people in the name of the United States.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 01:46 AM
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27.  i posted this this article this morning and got 1 reply..........
the mods moved to "editorials forum"...glad to see it is now getting the attention it needs....thanks G_j

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 08:18 AM
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32. sorry to hear that
this article needs exposure, too important to let fade away.
thanks for the kick :-)
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 01:52 AM
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28. It's the US form of terrorism
They WANT the "insurgents" and everyone else to see what they will do to them. Just like the lynchings of blacks.

They do it in such a way that they cannot "really" be held responsible but the world knows who is behind this torture.
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skyounkin Donating Member (722 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 04:02 AM
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29. What does it take?!! Really?!!
For this incompetent bumbling idiot king and his stupid brigade to be held accountable?!! I mean holy crap, it's not anything serious like having consenual sex with a woman of adult age who was not his wife!!! But this is a GODDAMN WAR CRIME!!! A WAR CRIME!! It is beyond comprehension that the media is this freaking complacent over this. *, rumsfeld, rice, powell, should be in the Hauge, cheney should just be arrested for doing business with iraq with haliburton.
I think somedays, that this is how it's all going to end.....* is gonna fuck it up and mess with iran or something and they are just gonna blow us off the fucking planet....I mean who would come to our aid? Who would stand up and say "They didn't deserve this..when it's our turn to take a spin on the karma wheel?"

I served in the military, and I am frightened of the prospect that one or a bunch of our troops get captured, of course the pathetic media will just show the shit over and over and over and over again......., then forget it man, game fucking over, * will go nuts, the mindless ignorant masses who voted for shithead will go "YEAH, GO NUKE THOSE RAGHEADS!! THEY ARE TORTURING OUR TROOPS!!" All the time being too stupid STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID to just do a little goddamn research to find out we engaged in torture first.....

I hate george bush I hate this administration I hate the crimes being commited in my countries name and I HATE THAT AMERICANS ARE TOO GODDAMN STUPID TO EVEN THINK OF HOLDING ASSHEAD ACCOUNTABLE, I HATE THAT CONGRESS IS FULL OF A BUNCH OF PUSSIES, TOO WEAK TO TAKE ON * EVEN WHEN HE LIES IN THE FACE OF THE PEOPLE ON TV TO THE PUBLIC.....

Here is what I think of george bush....

http://www.alexrossart.com/rossreport/oct2004/report.ht...


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dreamcollector Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 11:23 AM
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34. Complacent!
Complicit more like.
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Stockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 04:51 AM
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30. In my line of work the rules of outsourcing are clear
You can never outsource the responsibility for the task performed.
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BeyondThePale Donating Member (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 06:54 AM
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31. Hey, the accountability moment has passed!
Seriously, I did not know that accountability had a shelf life!

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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 09:05 AM
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33. kick
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V Lee Donating Member (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 02:19 PM
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35. Sounds like more Compassionate Conservatism in action.

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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 04:02 PM
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36. kick
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jhain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 04:21 PM
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37. what else can we do?
here's a kick

We know we are preaching to the choir here on DU.

There HAS to be a way to get wider coverage of these disgusting, illegal things.

Olbermann's mailbox isn't big enough.......who else will listen?


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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 07:43 AM
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38. U.N. Experts: 'U.S. Treatment of Detainees Inhuman and Degrading'
U.N. Experts: 'U.S. Treatment of Detainees Inhuman and Degrading'
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/020805Y.shtml

Friday 04 February 2005

The following statement was issued today by six United Nations human rights experts.
In January 2005 the detention centre at the United States Naval Base in Guantanamo Bay entered into its fourth year of existence, and many of the inmates are completing their third year of virtually incommunicado detention, without legal assistance or information as to the expected duration of their detention, and in conditions of detention that, according to numerous observers, amount to inhuman and degrading treatment.

The Working Group on Arbitrary Detention, a group of experts appointed by the United Nations Commission on Human Rights to seek and receive information from governments and non-governmental organizations, and to report to the Commission on cases of detention inconsistent with international human rights standards, has been concerned about the situation at Guantanamo Bay since the establishment of the detention centre. Already on 22 January 2002, the then Chairman-Rapporteur of the Working Group, Louis Joinet, sent a letter to the Government of the United States of America seeking an invitation to visit the detention centre at the naval base in order to examine, on the spot, the legal aspects of detention. By a second letter sent on25 October 2002, the Working Group requested that the United States Government provide responses to a series of factual and legal questions concerning the legal situation of the detainees in Guantanamo Bay.

In June 2004, the Chairperson-Rapporteur of the Working Group on Arbitrary Detention, the Special Rapporteur on torture, the Special Rapporteur on the right of everyone to the enjoyment of the highest attainable standard of physical and mental health, and the Special Rapporteur on the independence of judges and lawyers requested the United States, as well as Iraq and Afghanistan, to invite these experts to visit those persons detained on grounds of terrorism, including in Guantanamo Bay. While the United States Government - the only Government to respond to date - has not yet agreed to this request, it has indicated an interest in establishing a dialogue with the experts to consider the possibility of a visit.

The year 2004 saw a number of developments regarding the situation of the Guantanamo detainees. A number of detainees were released. The Supreme Court of the United States rejected the claim of the Government that it could deny access to habeas corpus proceedings to the Guantanamo Bay detainees. A United States District Court ruled that it is for the judiciary and not for the executive power to establish whether the Third Geneva Convention applies to persons deprived of their liberty during the hostilities in Afghanistan. The same court stated that the exclusion of the defendant from certain hearings and from access to evidence used against him was unlawful. In response to these judicial decisions, the United States established Combatant Status Review Tribunals (CSRTs) and an Administrative Review Board (ARB), which will review, on an annual basis, whether an inmate continues to pose a threat to the United States or its allies, or whether there are other factors bearing upon the need for continued detention. As recently as 31 January 2005, a United States Federal District Court stated in a judgment concerning Guantanamo detainees that 'Although this nation unquestionably must take strong action under the leadership of the commander in chief to protect itself against enormous and unprecedented threats, that necessity cannot negate the existence of the most basic fundamental rights for which the people of this country have fought and died for well over two hundred years'.

These developments are, however, insufficient to dispel the serious concerns that the mandate holders continue to have with respect to the situation:

(a) Both the international armed conflict in Afghanistan and the war in Iraq have been over for more than 18 months now. The Third Geneva Convention, dealing with prisoners of war, mandates that any prisoner of war must be released "without delay after the end of hostilities". The legal basis for the continued detention of the Guantanamo Bay inmates is therefore unclear. In any event, many of them were arrested in countries which were not parties to any armed conflict involving the United States of America;

(b) The lack of clarity concerning the legal basis on which the Guantanamo detainees are deprived of their freedom also means that both the detainees and their families are in a state of uncertainty regarding the remaining duration of the detention;

(c) The exact number and the names of the persons detained at Guantanamo Bay continue to be unknown. This situation is extremely disconcerting and is conducive to the unacknowledged transfer of inmates to other, often secret, detention facilities, whether run by the United States or by other countries. This situation is of particular concern to the Working Group on Enforced or Involuntary Disappearances;

(d) Concerns have been voiced regarding the independence of both the Combatant Status Review Tribunals and the Administrative Review Board, and with respect to the fairness of the proceedings before them. In particular, most detainees do not have access to legal counsel, and much of the evidence on which the decision to detain them is based is not disclosed to them;

(e) The need to objectively assess the allegations of torture, and other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment, particularly in relation to methods of interrogation of detainees, that have been brought to the attention of the Special Rapporteur on torture;

(f) The conditions of detention, especially of those in solitary confinement, place the detainees at significant risk of psychiatric deterioration, possibly including the development of irreversible psychiatric symptoms;

(g) Most detainees do not know whether the United States Government intends to raise criminal charges against them or not. The procedural rules governing the Military Commissions set up to try those detainees who will face criminal charges raise misgivings similar to those voiced with regard to the Combatant Status Review Tribunals: doubts regarding the actual independence of the Commissions, and concerning the fairness in the respective positions (or "equality of position") between prosecution and defense, in particular with regard to access to evidence. Moreover, the mandate holders recall that where the conditions of detention are such as to subject a defendant to inhuman or degrading treatment, or to otherwise gravely weaken him physically and psychologically, equality is compromised and any imprisonment upon conviction tainted with arbitrariness.

In conclusion, the United Nations human rights experts once more confirm that the right and duty of all States to use all lawful means to protect their citizens against death and destruction brought about by terrorists must be exercised in conformity with international law; lest the whole cause of the international fight against terrorism be compromised.

The experts are:

Lela Zerrougui, Chairperson-Rapporteur of the Working Group on Arbitrary Detention of the United Nations Commission on Human Rights;
Stephen J. Toope, Chairperson-Rapporteur of the Working Group on Enforced or Involuntary Disappearances of the Commission;
Manfred Nowak, the Commission's Special Rapporteur on torture;
Paul Hunt, the Commission's Special Rapporteur on the right of everyone to the enjoyment of the highest attainable standard of physical and mental health;
Leandro Despouy, the Commission's Special Rapporteur on the independence of judges and lawyers, and
Cherif Bassiouni, Independent Expert appointed by the Secretary-General on the situation of human rights in Afghanistan.


http://undispatch.com .

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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 09:01 PM
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39. Britain Accused Over CIA's Secret Torture Flights
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0210-11.htm

Published on Thursday, February 10, 2005 by the lndependent/UK

Britain Accused Over CIA's Secret Torture Flights
UK airports are believed to be operational bases for two executive jets used by the CIA to carry out 'renditions' of terror suspects

by Stephen Grey and Andrew Buncombe

Britain's intelligence agencies have been accused of helping America in a secret operation that is sending terror suspects to Middle Eastern countries where prisoners are routinely tortured and abused.

Since 11 September 2001, the CIA has been systematically seizing suspects and sending them, without legal process, not only to Guantanamo Bay but to authorities in countries such as Egypt, Jordan and Syria. Human rights campaigners say the system, officially known as "extraordinary rendition" is a system of torture by proxy.

Britain maintains the main reason it will not deport prisoners being held without charge at Belmarsh prison is the fear they will be tortured or otherwise abused by their home country. But a series of cases has emerged which, critics say, exposes the Government's dishonesty by suggesting information provided by Britain about its citizens and residents has led to the capture and eventual torture of Islamic terrorist suspects.

Britain is also an operational base for two executive jets regularly used by the CIA to carry out so-called "renditions". One Gulfstream jet - used for taking prisoners to Egypt and Jordan from countries including Sweden and Indonesia - has called regularly at Luton, Glasgow, Prestwick and Northolt airports.


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