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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 09:14 AM
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Pundits called Dems' reaction during Bush address "unprecedented,"
http://mediamatters.org/items/200502040014

Pundits called Dems' reaction during Bush address "unprecedented," but Republicans booed Clinton

Media figures have falsely claimed that Democrats' audible disapproval of President Bush's misleading claim in his February 2 State of the Union address that Social Security will be "exhausted and bankrupt" in 2042 was "unprecedented." In fact, Republicans routinely booed and hissed during President Clinton's State of the Union addresses.

Many hosts and pundits suggested the Democrats' reaction was the first of its kind:

TED KOPPEL (ABC host): When the president talked about the bankruptcy of Social Security, there were clearly some Democrats on the floor who thought that that was taking it too far. And they did something that, apparently, no one at this table has ever heard before. They booed.

snip

JOE SCARBOROUGH (former U.S. representative (R-FL) and MSNBC host): After the Democrats booed and hissed, Republicans were on the floor saying, you know, we never once did that to Clinton. So every time he would talk about Social Security, the roars got a little louder. And they got behind their president.

complete story here:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200502040014
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Democrat 4 Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 09:19 AM
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1. Damn straight - and it is only going to get worse. n/t
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 09:21 AM
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2. thanks for the post, truthpusher! keep up the good work!
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hector459 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 09:23 AM
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3. It's about time Dems set some precedents of their own!!!
And they did hiss at Clinton. But should they have booed Clinton durin his SOTUS? They were hammering him with impeachment, smears, and other investigations. Besides, Clinton never said anything in his STOUS to call for boos. He was saying and doing things to get the country back on track. They only thing the Republicans really were at odds with was raising taxes on the wealthy which helped the deficit and Clinton taking action in Bosnia and Kosovo which got rid of "tyrants" with minimal loss of American lives. Now Bush has undone the budget surplus and cost the lives of thousands whith his unnecessary and illegal invasion of Iraq.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 09:26 AM
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4. Hope this is only small step toward OUTRAGE that is to come. n/t
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 09:30 AM
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5. I always envied the UK parliament and their cat-calling, rude,
opinionated MPs.

Maybe we'll be getting a little of that!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 09:30 AM
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6. The box lied to me?
That is unprecedented
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 09:33 AM
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7. Will the media say anything about Bush admin atrocities?
To clarify - didn't the Dems say NO, not boo? I heard no.

Let's hear many more NOOOOOOOOOs.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 09:36 AM
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8. "A Fact Sheet on Booing at the SOTU" (BuzzFlash News Alert)
http://www.buzzflash.com/alerts/05/02/ale05027.html
(1997 info included at link)

<snip>
1998: Republicans Booed Clinton's Medicare Proposal Clinton's health-care initiatives, chiefly in the form of a medical bill of rights, found support on both sides, especially his attack on managed-care health-care plans. ... Clinton's proposal to expand Medicare to allow Americans as young as 55 to buy into the system drew shouts of "no" and some boos from Republicans during his speech.

1997: Republican's Booed Clinton's Opposition to the Balanced Budget Amendment The Republican response was far warmer than perhaps any of Clinton's previous four State of the Union speeches. Time after time, Republicans jumped to their feet to join Democrats in applauding the president. Only once did they unmistakably and collectively show their disapproval--when Clinton spoke disparagingly of a GOP-sponsored constitutional amendment to balance the budget. Many Republicans hissed and some booed.

1995: Republicans Booed Clinton and Walked Out During Speech. The upheaval wrought by the Republican election landslide was visible throughout the president's State of the Union address - from the moment Speaker Newt Gingrich took the gavel to the striking silence that often greeted Clinton from the GOP. At one point, Republicans even booed. About 20 of them left as Clinton went on and on for an hour and 20 minutes.


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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 10:10 AM
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17. Did you send that to MSM, Scarborough, etc.?
At the least they should know someone knows what they're up to...
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 11:12 AM
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24. Seriously!!! I am sick of their damned lies and misrepresentations!
They should be nailed to the wall every single time they lie and misrepresent the facts!!!!

HOs!!! :mad:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 03:02 PM
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37. That image sounds Good!
"Nailed to the Wall"! The "HOs" would always be at the Wall! :grr:
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 09:39 AM
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9. Republicans have long been boorish at Dem SOTU's...
Eleanor Roosevelt criticized Republican members of Congress after Roosevelt's 1941 SOTU for refusing to applaud. The immediate reaction makes for interesting reading.

According to Doris Kearns Goodwin, Republican representative Edith Nourse told the House that Mrs. Roosevelts suggestion that all members applaud "presents a new concept in American constitutional theory. Under our form of government, members of Congress are not elected to applaud the official utterances of the White House, but to frame legislation. The suggestion of a duty to applaud appears to me a dangerous and unwholesome manifestation of war hysteria." Representative Hoffman of Michigan charged that "the Roosevelts apparently have in some way gotten the idea they are entitled to receive homage and applause as our King and Queen."

The Republicans of today should review the above.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 10:56 AM
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20. Republicans can pitch but can't catch
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 03:07 PM
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38. Love it! It's our turn to Not applaud
the chimp "king"!
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meisje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 09:46 AM
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10. I can't wait for the fistfights!!
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 09:52 AM
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11. They "booed"...
Four years of lies, manipulations, fraud, pressure, 2 (two) presidential elections where fundamental democratic principles were violated. Four years of missed opportunities to stand up and oppose, like just a couple of senators (2%) did. Four years of unprecented mis-management of strictly everything in the country and anywhere outside.
Thanks for expressing so powerfully the people's frustration. That's very promising.
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 09:53 AM
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12. BTW, any one who voted to confirm gonzales is now guilty
of Conspiracy to aid and abet war crimes. There
are no statutes of limitation on war crimes.

Good Luck All.

February 2, 2005

GONZALES ADDED TO WAR CRIMES COMPLAINT
IN GERMANY; NEW EVIDENCE SHOWS FAY REPORT ON
ABU GHRAIB PROTECTED
OFFICIALS
Center for Constitutional Rights

CCR Says Attorney General Designates Testimony before
the Senate Confirms His Rolein Abu Ghraib Torture 7b

http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m9392&l=i&size=1&hd=0

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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 09:54 AM
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13. Were I a member of Congress, I wouldn't have booed and hissed the SOTU
I would have made a point of not going.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 11:13 AM
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25. I embraced another poster's suggestion of turning backs to SCOTUS,...
,...during the entire SOTU!!!
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 10:00 AM
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14. Bush* LIES during SOTU, then the media LIES about the reaction.
"The first casualty of war is truth."

The jack-booted corporatists are waging total war against the working class and it can only get worse before it gets better.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 10:02 AM
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15. Suck It Up Pundits
That's what you've been paid to do... so suck it up and enjoy the "High-Life" while you still can.
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Mark E. Smith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 10:07 AM
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16. Expressing Disapproval For The Lies Of George W Bush?
I think it is more than high time Mr. Bush was treated with the kinds of disrespect his party has been treating Democrats these past few election cycles.

But certainly that would not be what the administration is looking for...

Perhaps Mr. Bush and his handlers would prefer that the Senate chamber be filled with the kinds of audiences they recruit for his public appearances? Or maybe something even more special due to the importance of the occasion. How about potted plants that cheer?


"Yaaayy!!!!"
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 11:07 AM
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22. Well put, Mark, and Welcome to DU!
:hi:
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 11:15 AM
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26. Welcome to DU....and I love your name!
You'll find more than a few Fall fans here...look out for jpgray, who has a Mark E. Smith avatar.
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Mark E. Smith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 12:08 PM
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29. We Are Sparta F.C.!
I stumble across this amazing D.U. place, and it's full of Fall fans as well? Who would have ever guessed?

Happy to be here, and thanks!

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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 12:38 PM
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30. It's good to be fit and working again....
You should cab it over to the lounge....that's where the serious music nerds hang out.

One rule, though: NO BULBS.
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 12:41 PM
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31. Live at the Witch Trials?
an amazingly underrated record -- as edgy and as paranoid as any of the Talking Heads early disks
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 05:51 PM
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40. Hi Mark E. Smith!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 10:14 AM
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18. Somebody Post Email Add's for Koppel/ABC and Scarborough
We can at least let them know that we caught them on their lie/distortion.
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 11:06 AM
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21. Click the link to media matters
All the contact in for is there for all of the whores.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 10:29 AM
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19. What's unprecedented it the pure propaganda spewing from Bushel's mouth.
But the press remains mum on that.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 11:10 AM
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23. Let's go easy on the pundits
After all, they will soon be unemployed and pariahs.

--p!
(Sarcasm? You bet.)
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 11:23 AM
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27. High time these mice began to squeak
After giving Bush virtually all he wanted in his first term, these Democrats had damn well better start booing and hissing.

For starters.
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BlueInRed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 11:26 AM
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28. maybe they mean unprecedented for Democrats,
who generally are much too polite to pull the kind of stuff the Republicans do! :P
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 02:10 PM
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32. since the 80's political honeymoons have become "unprecedented"..
remember when Republicans tried to convince Clinton during the impeachment hearings to "delay" his State of the Union address..why wasn't this labeled unprecedented by the media? Republicans eagerly booed and hissed Clinton in all of his addresses, but the media doesn't give a shit! The most unprecedented action occurred when networks showed a split screen during a Clinton State of the Union address..as a jury rendered its verdict during the O.J. Simpson trial.

When will the media show a split screen with bloodshed in Iraq during Bush's speech? When will Bush act as a uniter and not the divider of this country?
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Chalco Donating Member (817 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 02:18 PM
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33. It seems to me that during Clinton's SOTUs the Repugs never
clapped and never stood up. I don't remember if they booed but they sure were nasty.
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 02:52 PM
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35. you don't remember when they booed and walked out during a SOTU?
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Chalco Donating Member (817 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 08:42 PM
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42. Yes, now that you mention it...I do. Thanks
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wesrose Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 02:31 PM
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34. They'd better get use to it.
Its not gonna change.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 05:53 PM
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41. Hi wesrose!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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MaineYooper Donating Member (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 02:57 PM
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36. someone send this to Olbermann
He probably has access to (and would actually show) clips from Clinton SOTU addresses with equivalent repub behavior.

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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 03:18 PM
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39. Democrats need to start pointing it out when the media lies for Bush.
n/t
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