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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 11:21 AM
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"My God - they killed him!" (Pope John Paul I)
Edited on Fri Feb-04-05 12:04 PM by Minstrel Boy
Posted to my blog here.

"My God - they killed him!"

The streets are filled with vipers who've lost all ray of hope
You know it ain't even safe no more in the palace of the Pope

- Bob Dylan




Is everything a conspiracy? No. Just the important stuff.

Since there's a lot of speculation these days about who will succeed Pope John Paul II, it seems a good time to recall the circumstances of the last papal succession. Because Luciani Albini, Pope John Paul I, was almost certainly murdered, by an international network of fascists and money launderers, with ties to far-right elements within military and intelligence agencies. (And isn't it just amazing, how often we find that convergence?)

He only served 33 days; what could he have done in that short time to deserve death? What kind of Pope was he becoming?

To the second question, there's the suggestion of an answer in this passage from David Yallop's In God's Name:

On August 28, the beginning of his papal revolution was announced. It took the form of a Vatican statement that there was to be no coronation, that the new pope refused to be crowned. There would be no sedia gestatoria, the chair used to carry the pope, no tiara encrusted with emeralds, rubies, saphires, and diamonds. No ostrich feathers, no six-hour ceremony.... Luciani, who never once used the royal "we," was determined that the royal papacy with its appurtenances of worldly grandeur should be replaced by a Church that resembled the concepts of its founder. The "coronation" became a simple Mass. The spectacle of a pontiff carried in a chair...was supplanted by the sight of a supreme pastor quietly walking up the steps of the altar. With that gesture Luciani abolished a thousand years of history.... The era of the poor Church had officially begun.

That right there would have been enough to make the Vatican's power elite nervous, but surely not enough to seek the Pope's death. Not even his expressed interest in reconsidering the Church's position on birth control would have been enough for that. What was enough, was his intent to overturn the tables of the corrupt Vatican Bank, and purge the Vatican of the P2 Lodge.

This is one of those things that make being a "conspiracy theorist" seem entirely superfluous. Just try imagining P2: an elite, ultra-secretive, neo-fascist, Masonic cabal, involved in money laundering, assassination and false-flag terrorism. (The "Strategy of Tension," to discredit Italy's Communist Party. For instance, the engineering of Aldo Moro's kidnapping and murder, and the Bologna train bombing.) P2 counted among its members the future Italian President Silvio Berlusconi, and reputedly boasted honourary members like Henry Kissinger, George HW Bush and arch-neocon, Michael Ledeen.

I mentioned P2 last August, with regard to Ledeen's long history with the Italian far right and the linchpin of Italian military intelligence to the Niger "Yellow Cake" forgery. (For more on the significance of P2 to US intelligence and the "Octopus," refer to David Guyatt's excellent articles "Operation Gladio", "Holy Smoke and Mirrors" and "The Money Fountain.")

Licio Gelli was P2's Grandmaster, and can't even be called a neo-fascist. He was Old School: a member of the Italian Black Shirt Brigade which fought for Franco in the Spanish Civil War. During World War II, he spied on partisans in his native Italy for the Nazis, and obtained the SS rank of Oberleutenant. This same Gelli was a honoured guest of George HW Bush after the 1980 inauguration, and there is evidence that Gelli and P2 played a role in the October Surprise; even that Swedish Prime Minister Olof Palme was murdered on Gelli's orders because he'd refused to provide Swedish cover for the covert transfer of money and arms. In her October Surprise, Barbara Honegger writes that a P2 informant claimed to her that before Palme's death, Gelli sent a message to former Republican National Committee advisor (and also alleged "honourary" P2 member) Philip Guarino, assuring him that "the Swedish tree will be felled," and to "tell our good friend Bush."

Your head exploding yet? There's more. GHW Bush's reputed code name for October Surprise was "The White Rose," which was also the name of a far-right Cuban exile group with which the CIA's Bush was reportedly engaged during the ramp-up to the Bay of Pigs. Honneger reports that when Italian police uncovered the P2 control cell responsible for terrorism in Italy, they learned that its code name was "The Rose of Twenty." Gelli seems to have had a weakness for the flower.

And this may mean nothing, or I know what you did: In 1988, on the 25th anniversary of John F Kennedy's murder, Ted Kennedy marked the occasion in Runnymede England by placing, at the foot of his brother's memorial, a single white rose.

Gelli's network financed itself in part by purchasing and plundering banks, thanks to the likes of P2 brothers Michele Sindona and "God's Banker," Roberto Calvi. Mafioso Sindona, in 1968, had become a financial advisor to Pope Paul VI; Calvi was running Banco Ambrosiano; and another P2 member, American Bishop Paul "You can't run the Church on Hail Marys" Marcinkus, who bore the nickname "the Gorilla," was heading the Vatican Bank. For a while, it was a sweet operation.

Clockwise, from top right: Calvi, Marcinkus, Sindona and Gelli


As cardinal of Venice, Albini had butted heads with the bankers. As Pope, he could finally do something more. Most revelatory, he became privy to the secret list of Freemasons in the Vatican. For the first time, he learned of P2's penetration of the Church.

Yallop again:

If the information was authentic, then it meant Luciani was virtually surrouded by Masons.... The secretary of state, Cardinal Villot, Masonic name Jeanni, lodge number 041/3, enrolled in a Zurich lodge on August 6, 1966. The foreign minister, Monsignor Agnostino Casaroli. The cardinal vicar of Rome, Ugo Poletti. Cardinal Baggio. Bishop Paul Marcinkus and Monsignor Donato de Bonis of the Vatican Bank. The disconcerted pope read a list that seemed like a Who's Who of Vatican City.

Here's a good summation of what happened next:

With his bright intelligence and naive fearlessness, John Paul I penetrated to the heart of this maze of corruption within weeks of his coronation. On the evening of September 28, 1978, he called Cardinal Villot, the leader of the powerful Curia, to his private study to discuss certain changes that the Pope proposed to make public the next day.... Among those whose "resignations" would be accepted by the Pontiff the following day were the head of the Vatican Bank, and several members of the Curia who were implicated in the activities of Sindona and P2, and Villot himself. Moreover, Villot was told that John Paul I would also announce plans for a meeting on October 24 with an American delegation to discuss a reconsideration of the Church's position on birth control.

When Pope John Paul I retired to his bedroom on the evening of September 28, clutching the paperwork that would expose the Vatican's financial dealings with the Mafia and purge the Curia of those responsible, a number of very ruthless individuals had a great interest in seeing to it that he would never awaken to issue these directives.

When the Pope's housekeeper knocked at his door at 4:30 a.m., she heard no response. Leaving a cup of coffee, she returned fifteen minutes later to find the Pope still not stirring. She entered the bed chamber and gasped when she saw the Pope propped up in bed, still holding papers from the night before, his face contorted in a grimace. On the night table beside him lay an opened bottle of Effortil, a medication for his low blood pressure. The housekeeper immediately notified Cardinal Villot, whose first response to the news was to summon the papal morticians even before verifying the death himself or calling the Vatican physician to examine the body. Villot arrived in the Pope's room at 5:00 a.m. and gathered the crucial papers, the Effortil bottle, and several personal items which were soiled with vomit. None of these articles were ever seen again.

Although the Vatican claimed that its house physician had determined myocardial infarction as the cause of death, to this day no death certificate for Pope John Paul I has been made public. Although Italian law requires a waiting period of at least 24 hours before a body may be embalmed, Cardinal Villot had the body of Albino Luciani prepared for within 12 hours of his death. Although the Vatican refused to allow an autopsy on the basis of an alleged prohibition against it in canon law, the Italian press verified that an autopsy had in fact been performed on one of the Pope's predecessors, Pius VIII. Although the conventional procedure for embalming a body requires that the blood first be drained and certain internal organs removed, neither blood nor tissue was removed from the corpse; hence, none was available to assay for the presence of poison.


There's an old Kris Kristofferson song, entitled "They Killed Him." I learned it from a Dylan cover, on almost certainly his weakest album, Knocked Out Loaded. To be honest, it's pretty lousy. (If you haven't heard it, all you need to know is it has a children's chorus.) And yet, it chills me.

A verse:

Another man from Atlanta, Georgia
By name of Martin Luther King
He shook the land like the rolling thunder
And made the bells of freedom ring today
With a dream of beauty that they could not burn away
Just another holy man who dared to make a stand:
My God, they killed him!


My point here hasn't been to rehash the case for assassination. My point, I suppose, is simply my exasperation: that My God - they killed him, too!

This material can lead to despair. If they can whack the Pope, and get away with it, what hope do we have? I don't find it consoling to know of what they're capable; that they are, as Dylan sang in another song, "bound and determined to destroy all the gentle." That's not about justice. That's about being forewarned, and forearmed. And these days, that's almost as important as justice.

But it is a consolation of sorts to remember that these people are flesh, just as we are. Gelli is still alive, but since his extradition from France in 1998, he has been serving a 12-year sentence for his role in the Banco Ambrosiano affair. Marcinkus received Vatican immunity from Pope John Paul II, when it became apparent Italian authorities intended to prosecute him for his criminal stewardship of the Vatican Bank, and eventually left Rome for Sun City, Arizona. (A fascinating glimpse of Marcinkus today, here.) Sindona died in prison drinking poison coffee, possibly the same administered to the Pope. Calvi, after his string played out, met a peculiarly Masonic fate, hanging from a rope beneath London's Blackfriar's Bridge, his hands tied behind his back and 12 pounds of bricks stuffed in his pockets. (Naturally, originally deemed a "suicide.")

The suicided Calvi


Our advantage is that there are more of us than there are of them.

Our greatest disadvantage: most of us still can't admit there is a them.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 11:28 AM
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1. Skull and Bones and P2
Birds of a feather flock together.

Birds of a feather are flocking outside.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 11:34 AM
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2. This kind of stuff has been going on forever
People will do anything for power and money.
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Sweet Pea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 11:40 AM
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3. n/t
:tinfoilhat:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 11:51 AM
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4. a different White Rose


By the summer of 1942, Hans Scholl and Alexander Schmorell were at the center of a close-knit group of friends who shared the same ideals and interests in medicine, music, art, theology and philosophy. They soon recognized their shared disgust for Adolf Hitler, the Third Reich and the Gestapo. Hans and Alex were soon joined by Christoph Probst (a level-headed, married soldier and father of three who was loved by everyone who knew him) and Willi Graf (another medical student and a devout Catholic who never joined the Hitler Youth and refused to acknowledge those who did). And there was Sophie, Hans Scholl's younger sister who joined Hans and his friends at the University to study biology and philosophy. These friends, sometimes joined by popular philosophy professor Kurt Huber, Jürgen Wittenstein and others, formed the heart of The White Rose.
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Hans and Alex acted alone at first, writing and duplicating an editorial leaflet with the heading: "Leaflets of The White Rose". The piece was scathing in its criticism of every-day Germans who sat back and did nothing to combat the Third Reich. The leaflet went on to suggest "passive resistance" as the best way to silently encourage the downfall of the "government". Three more leaflets quickly appeared, all with the same heading: "Leaflets of The White Rose". Each of these documents was more hard-hitting than the last, while more and more friends of Hans and Alex began to contribute. Two final leaflets appeared, one in January 1943 and the last around February 18th. These were headed "Leaflets of the Resistance".
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The members of The White Rose worked day and night, cranking a hand-operated duplicating machine thousands of times to create the leaflets which were each stuffed into envelopes, stamped and mailed from various major cities in Southern Germany. Recipients were chosen from telephone directories and were generally scholars, medics and pub-owners (which seemed to puzzle the Gestapo -- but who better to spread the word or post a leaflet!). While Hans and Alex alone drafted the first four leaflets, they counted on Christoph Probst to comment and criticize. Jürgen edited the third and fourth leaflets and traveled to Berlin with the dangerous documents. Willi contributed to the fifth leaflet and did a generous amount of leg-work, getting supplies and trying to recruit support outside of Munich. Sophie worked hard at getting stamps and paper (one couldn't buy too many stamps at one place without arousing suspicion) and also managed the group's funds. Kurt Huber contributed to the fifth leaflet and solely drafted the sixth (and final) leaflet, while Hans was apprehended with a rough-draft of a seventh leaflet written by Christoph Probst. All members traveled throughout Southern Germany (and beyond) to mail stacks of leaflets from undetectable locations. Hundreds of leaflets were also left at the University of Munich, carefully hand-delivered in the middle of the night.
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On three nights in February 1943 -- the 3rd, 8th and 15th -- Hans, Alex and Willi conducted the most dangerous of all the White Rose activities. The three men used tar and paint to write slogans on the sides of houses on Ludwigstrasse, a main thoroughfare in Munich near the University. They wrote "Down With Hitler", "Hitler Mass Murderer", "freedom", and drew crossed-out swastikas... this while policemen and other officials patroled the streets of Munich. It was, by far, the most public, blatant and dangerous of their activities.

http://www.jlrweb.com/whiterose/

MB check the dates
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 11:51 AM
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5. IMO the best book about this is Piers Compton's "The Broken
Cross" - it goes into much more detail than David Yallop's estimable tome.

Compton mysteriously "died" a few months after his book was published and subsequently a police investigation was reopened late last year in the UK.

He was a fan of the estimable David Cesarini - holocaust/Nazi war ciminals specialist who wrote an excellent biography of Eichmann.

He also lived in Marlow, Buckinghamshire in the UK a few miles down the road from the Marian Fathers in Henley on Thames - moneylaundering partners of Prince Stanislaw Radziwill and key associates in corruption with the P2 Lodge members who bankrupted Banco Ambrosiano.

Compton's death is being investigated after City of London Police found that he had provided extensive testimony in 1984 to Thames Valley Police officers investigating allegations of child rape/torture/murder charges against newly-elevated Archbishop Stanislaw Dziwisz, seen here with JP2 whom he serves as private secretary:
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These allegations centre around corrupt running of orphanages and childrens' hospital wards in the UK by the Marian Fathers between 1960 and 1970.

The extensive involvement of four generations of the Gelli family in the UK and abroad is seminal to the coverup of news reporting on this topic.

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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 12:02 PM
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7. It's interesting, some of what Malachi Martin said:
"Most frighteningly for Pope John Paul II, he had come up against the irremovable presence of a malign strength in his own Vatican and in certain bishops’ chanceries. It was what knowledgeable Churchmen called the ‘superforce.’ Rumors, always difficult to verify, tied its installation to the beginning of Pope Paul VI’s reign in 1963. Indeed Paul had alluded somberly to ‘the smoke of Satan which has entered the Sanctuary’. . . an oblique reference to an enthronement ceremony by Satanists in the Vatican. Besides, the incidence of Satanic pedophilia—rites and practices— was already documented among certain bishops and priests as widely dispersed as Turin, in Italy, and South Carolina, in the United States. The cultic acts of Satanic pedophilia are considered by professionals to be the culmination of the Fallen Archangel’s rites." (p. 632. The Keys of This Blood)
http://www.tldm.org/news/martin.htm


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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 12:10 PM
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9. P2 Lodge members were connected to the revived Hellfire Club
(Dashwood family of UK) activities on refugee children in the UK.

These in turn were linked to WW2 criminals hiding in South America who had been looked after by moneylaundering payments made by cohorts of Eurgenio Pacelli (later Pius XII).

Compton alleged that a satanic paedophile cult was a corrupt offshoot of Helena Blavatsky's Theosophy movement - which had so much influence on fledgeling Nazis at the end of the 19th and begining of the 20th centuries.

He once made a reference to Aleister Crowley taking this a stage further when fuelled by heroin and alcohol, allowing his bizarre angel-summoning rituals (rite of Aiwass???) to include what social scientists today have loosely termed "satanaic ritual abuse" - ie orgiastic behavior towards minors under the cloak of superstitious rites to summon supernatural forces....
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 12:19 PM
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11. Fascinating and horrifying, because
Edited on Fri Feb-04-05 12:21 PM by Minstrel Boy
the same disturbing elements - pedophilia, ritual abuse and "summoning" - can be found under many surprising rocks of the National Security State. Even the influence of Crowley himself, and his religion of "Thelema."

A couple of recent pieces on my blog that touch on this:

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/01/occult-history-of-national-security.html

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/01/hell-frozen-over.html
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 09:34 AM
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29. Thanks very much for this additional information. I expect that
a whole lot more on this subject - and the institutional corruption in the UK and US that whitewashed it for generations on end - will now come to light as the Rome murder trial of Roberto Calvi resumes.

The role of the UK-based Marian Fathers in large scale cold war corruption, theft, grand larceny, moneylaundering and subsequent bankruptcy of its accounts in the Banco Ambrosiano will, no doubt, figure prominently. And their business relationships with senior Midland Bank executives who went on the scale the corporate heights in the international banking and financial sectors after running their UK accounts that then fed Ambrosiano investment portfolios.

For those familiar with UK banking history, it is of no surprise that Asian banking giant HSBC's CEO Sir John Bond used to run the Midland before it was taken over by Chinese interests to form HSBC. His fledgeling career also saw him advise and administer the many accounts held by the Marians both in the UK and abroad.

Those legal professionals I know who have had access to the court papers connected with the Marians' UK lawsuits 1960-94 are also eagerly awaiting disclosure of City of London Police documents submitted before the Calvi murder trial last April, especially Thames Valley Police records concerning ritual abuse of minors by a religious cult, formerly operating behind the old iron curtain, and connected by financial ties to the Children of God, who were large scale financial contributors to the Marian Fathers' charitable coffers.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 11:53 AM
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6. Godfather III is a true story, isn't it?
;)
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ThorsHammer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 12:14 PM
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10. That's just what I was about to say
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itzamirakul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 12:02 PM
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8. Of all possible places to begin to question the death of this pope
I found it in the movie, The Godfather III. Admittedly an awful movie, I was given the trilogy and so finally watched Part III. there, in the movie, was a scenario very similar to that which you have so diligently described.

In actuality, we must admit, the world is in the control of a mere handful of men - organized criminals masquerading as powerful business and civic leaders.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 12:21 PM
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12. .
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 12:39 PM
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13. You bastards!
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DerekG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 01:26 PM
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19. Laugh it up
Please bear in mind that the murder of Pope John Paul I--for some--remains as grievous a blow as the deaths of Malcolm, Rev. King, and the Kennedy brothers.

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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 12:42 PM
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14. I think that Queen Spider is to blame.
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reallygone Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 12:45 PM
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15. LOL
That was really funny stuff! Got to hand it to you, you've got boatloads of creativity. You should have marked it as sarcasm, b/c some might think you were being serious.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 12:48 PM
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16. Thanks, but I can't take credit for it.
Because it's the truth.
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WLKjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 02:40 PM
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23. all of your posts should be marked with sarcasm
:D
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 03:00 PM
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25.  Hey reallygone I've got some more truth for you, if you can handle it?
George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography --- by Webster G. Tarpley & Anton Chaitkin


Chapter -XXI- Omaha

On the morning of June 29, 1989, pandemonium erupted in the corridors of power in the nation's capital. ``Homosexual Prostitution Probe Ensnares Official of Bush, Reagan,'' screamed the front-page headline of the Washington Times with the kicker ``Call Boys Took Midnight Tour of White House.''

The Times reported, ``A homosexual prostitution ring is under investigation by federal and District authorities and includes among its clients key officials of the Reagan and Bush administrations, military officers, congressional aides and U.S. and foreign businessmen with close ties to Washington's political elite.''

The exposeé centered on the role of one Craig Spence, a Republican powerbroker known for his lavish ``power cocktail'' parties. Spence was well connected. He celebrated Independence Day 1988 by conducting a midnight tour of the White House in the company of two teenage male prostitutes among others in his party.

Rumors circulated that a list existed of some 200 Washington prominents who had used the call boy service. The Number Two in charge of personnel affairs at the White House, who was responsible for filling all the top civil service posts in the federal bureaucracy, and Secretary of Labor Elizabeth Dole's chief of staff, were two individuals publicly identified as patrons of the call boy ring.

Two of the ring's call boys were allegedly KGB operatives, according to a retired general from the Defense Intelligence Agency interviewed by the press. But the evidence seemed to point to a CIA sexual blackmail operation, instead. Spence's entire mansion was covered with hidden microphones, two-way mirrors and video cameras, ever ready to capture the indiscretions of Washington's high, mighty and perverse. The political criteria for proper sexual comportment had long been established in Washington: Any kinkiness goes, so long as you don't get caught. The popular proverb was that the only way a politician could hurt his career was if he were ``caught with a dead woman or a live boy'' in his bed.

more
http://www.tarpley.net/bush21.htm
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 12:48 PM
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17. Here's an objective account
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SuffragetteSal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 02:51 PM
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24. thanks for the link
I was completely ignorant of this information...this is a very interesting thread.
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 01:20 PM
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18. wow. thanks again, MB.
you're one of the best.

i didn't know any of that...
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 01:29 PM
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20. Frank, I haven't seen you in a while.
Really enjoyed your book. Still meaning to get mine to you. (Sorry. I'm a jerk about the mail.)
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 01:31 PM
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22. i've been at DU a lot less these days...editing new book for fall release
should be done by end of march

glad you liked it!
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 01:31 PM
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21. Robert Drinan, collateral casualty
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Drinan

"...(Rep) Drinan's consistent support of abortion rights drew significant opposition from Church leaders throughout his political career, who had also repeatedly requested that he not hold political office in the first place. Drinan attempted to reconcile his position with official Church doctrine by stating that while he was personally opposed to abortion, its legality was a separate issue from its morality. This argument failed to satisify his critics. In 1980, Pope John Paul II unequivocally demanded that all priests withdraw from electoral politics. This was framed as a general order, but it seemed clear to most observers that Drinan in particular was the target. Drinan complied and did not seek reelection. However, he continued to be a vocal supporter of abortion rights much to the ire of the Church, and notably spoke out in support of President Clinton's veto of the so-called Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act in 1996...."
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 04:38 PM
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26. Kick
Kick

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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 06:13 PM
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27. More of us
And as long as MB still posts I won't worry too much.

Heard the Catholic Church described this way: The Biggest Corporation in the World.

The more I learn, the more I believe. We need to quit servicing these guys, they'll fade away if we can just quit giving them money.
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itzamirakul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-05-05 09:56 AM
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30. After reading this thread and
the links within, I think the Catholic Church might be called, "The Biggest Corruption in the World."

What a shame that there are so many faithful who daily allow this "corporation" rule their lives. Thye sad thing is that they do NOT WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH about the church.

Years ago, I read somewhere that the Catholic Church was built from a pagan base and still had pagan influences (I remember that one of those influences was the use of incense in the ceremony/ritual)
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 08:04 PM
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28. The Vatican, the SS, and the Octopus
From David Guyatt:

Another important link between the Vatican and SS escape routes was Friedrich Schwendt, who was also the man in charge of laundering forged SS banknotes. Before the war, Schwendt was an international arms dealer shipping weapons to China and Russia. He was also the investment manager of the family fortune of his first wife’s aunt, Baroness Gemmingen-Guttenberg, of the vastly wealthy Argentine based Bunge family of the massive transnational firm Bunge Corporation that is also known as the “Octopus.”

This title is interesting for it may connect to the so called “Octopus” that ties-in to murdered Freelance journalist, Danny Casolaro who at the time of his death was investigating a number of high level illegalities including the theft by the Department of Justice, of a “tracking” computer programme known as PROMIS. Casolaro was writing a book about what he had discovered. He originally titled it “Behold, a Pale Horse” but later modified it to “The Octopus.” In a draft page of the book he described this group as an: “international cabal who freelance services covered parochial political intrigue, espionage, sophisticated weapon technologies that included biotoxins, drug trafficking, money laundering and murder-for hire.”

Casolaro further stated that this cabal had its origins “spawned thirty years ago in the shadow of the cold war.” After Casolaro’s death, journalist Carol Marshall (a pen name) followed up his investigation and wrote an unpublished manuscript titled The Last Circle. In this, Marshall describes her investigation of Robert Booth Nichols – one of the central figures of the Octopus whom she describes as being part of a secretive group known as “The Chosen Ones” and who wore “skull and crossbones rings, and shared a common interest, if you could call it that, in the old German SS occultism, its tribal and inner circle rites.”

During her continuing investigation into the Octopus, Marshall found that the SS occultism outlined above was connected to Lt. Col. Michael A. Aquino, a former US “Green Beret,” who is a self professed Satanist – and who held a top secret security clearance for his work in military intelligence and on classified psychological warfare matters. Aquino officiated at SS black magic ceremonies held at Wewelsburg, the Castle once used by SS chief Heinrich Himmler to create an SS order of Teutonic Knights based on the Knights Templars.
http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/holy_smoke_mirrors.htm
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