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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 05:02 AM
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My Top Ten Things We're Not Supposed to Talk About
1. How badly things are going in Iraq.

2. Israel and Palestine.

3. The New York & Pentagon Terror Attacks on 9-11

4. Osama bin Laden

5. The Christian Conservative death grip on the government.

6. Bush's Insanity and Paranoia.

7. Grandfather Prescott's relationship with Adolph Hitler.

8. Startling similarities between now & 1940's Germany.

9. The complete takeover of media by neo-cons & shills.

10. The conversion of our democracy into fascism.

..................feel free to add, or make your own top ten.

..........and maybe if we keep talking about things they don't want us to talk about, it might make a wee small difference.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 05:06 AM
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1. 11. Papa Bush, Bay of Pigs, Cubans, & JFK
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 05:08 AM
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2. tsk tsk tsk...naughty naughty
which brand of soap do you prefer your mouth to be washed out with?
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 05:13 AM
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4. How about...
that oatmeal stuff they have at Trader Joe's.
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 06:37 AM
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18. Funny
I am on the otherside of the world and yet I still know about it.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 12:02 AM
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49. Hi, Oversea Visitor! Keep spreading the Truth!
George Herbert Walker Bush told the FBI he was in Dallas. Here it is in black and white. The document also chronicles how the man who became president and the father of a president, in secret, reported hearing someone wanted to kill JFK. Why didn't he report that BEFORE JFK was killed?



On the day Oswald is killed, "Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency" reports to J Edgar Hoover on the reaction to the assassination by the pro- and anti-Castro Cuban communities in Miami. One needs to develop good connections to do that kind of work.



SOURCE:

http://www.internetpirate.com/bush.htm
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 11:04 AM
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68. In case you need encouragement...
PLEASE keep doing this.

Thank you.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 05:09 AM
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3. I forgot the stolen elections, Harken energy, Enron, Worldcom...
....and monkey boy's serious drug addiction and smuggling and drunkeness
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 05:14 AM
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5. GBLT issues - can't even refer to gay couples...
...on cartoon shows.

Bad bunny!
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 05:15 AM
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7. is that Baxter, the relentlessly tolerant bunny rabbit?
Tolerance, another verboten subject.
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Dastard Stepchild Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 11:16 AM
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70. Who is Baxter the tolerant bunny?
I'm afarid I don't recognize this character, but I'd love to hear more :)
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 11:56 PM
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47. LMAO!!! bad, bad, bunny
HOW FUCKING ABSURD is it that *adults* are up in arms over whether or not a cartoon character is gay?

They didn't freak out about PETER PAN?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:43 PM
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79. Or wrongfully accused sponges, for that matter!!! n.t,
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njdemocrat106 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 07:18 PM
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87. Leave it to the fundies to find children's shows objectionable
If they had their way, we probably wouldn't even have television, save for Fox News and the 700 Club.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 05:15 AM
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6. 12. The anthrax attacks -- the ones D.C. forgot.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 05:17 AM
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9. Daschle & Leahy received anthrax letters
and president cheney and his monkey BOTH called Daschle and threatened him again to not look too closely into 9-11. seems odd.
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smurfygirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 05:16 AM
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8. halliburton working in Iran
can't forget that.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 05:18 AM
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10. TORTURE of prisoners of war that continues to this day
maybe we need a top twenty list.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 05:20 AM
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11. There's a pretty good list here:
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 05:25 AM
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12. rapidly disappearing polar ice caps
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 05:29 AM
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13. 13. Nick Berg
Edited on Sat Jan-29-05 05:30 AM by BuyingThyme
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 10:17 AM
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34. Nick's death was most tragic
Edited on Sat Jan-29-05 10:20 AM by Spiffarino
...because he really thought he could help. He epitomized in many respects what so many Americans wish they could do there.

Sadly, the reality is that Iraq has become a nation of targets and victims.
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hangemhigh Donating Member (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 11:27 PM
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43. With all due respect, Nick Berg's death appears to me to have been
a total psy-op.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 11:51 PM
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45. It certainly appears that way
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 05:58 AM
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14. Torture
War profiteering.
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Enraged_Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 06:05 AM
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15. Cheney's health
Offshoring of good-paying jobs
Designed flaws in voting machines
Inflation...

Those are just a few quick ones off the top of my head. We could be doing this all day.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 06:09 AM
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16. Cheney's health...
is a great asset for the Bushes.

Once he dies, all investigations can be nudged in his direction, and there will be nobody there to take a fall.
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Melynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 06:18 AM
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17. And don't forget
If Cheney goes, Bush can name a Vice President who will run for President as Bush's "heir to the throne" in 2008.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 06:57 AM
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20. like his brother??? uh oh, better get in a bunker dick, n/t
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:45 AM
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59. Betcha they been grooming The Gropenator for that spot for years. Davis Re
-Call, Bankrupting CA Energy,
the Arnie Steal-ection,
Bustamante was supposed to win, and of course, Arnie did, plus a very creeeeepy DNA prop passed, thanks to op-scan machines and friends in high places. No way, the DNA prop. passed in CA.

The recall was a dupe, to Install Arnie.

Not assuring that his last film ended in nuclear winter.

Gads.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 06:52 AM
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19. Dead Iraqis. Lots of them. They never get talked about.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 07:02 AM
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21. That the constitution is failed, and the republic as we know it is over
To discuss it is to wake up to action, to break the consensus that
is only used to enslave us to perpetual war and the erosion of the very
principals that bound us together in the first place.

We need a new constitution. The old one is void... but to discuss it
is to be disloyal to the nazi reich and, it is not supposed to be said.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 07:04 AM
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22. i'll add one to your list...
11. We're not supposed to talk about how some Democrats have colluded with GWB* to bring us perpetual war and eliminate the New Deal.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 07:05 AM
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23. SSSHHHHHHH!!!!!!
there might be children reading
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:17 AM
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55. Data mining for DARPA, and ACXIOM...n/t
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:19 AM
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56. Oil pipelines through the Balkan's ethnic cleansing zones..
Edited on Sun Jan-30-05 03:31 AM by JohnOneillsMemory
Michel Collon of Belgium is the author of two books on the Balkans, Liars Poker, and Monopoly.

He spoke of the attempt to gain control of the Caspian Seas oil reserves and the pipelines used to distribute this oil.

>snip<

Three weeks after the beginning of the war, General Michael Jackson, commander of KFOR in Macedonia and soon in Kosovo, confided to the Italian daily, Sole 24 Ore: "Today, the circumstances which we have created here have changed. Today, it is absolutely necessary to guarantee the stability of Macedonia and its entry into NATO. But we will certainly remain here a long time so that we can also guarantee the security of the energy corridors which traverse this country."

The Italian daily went on to say, "It is clear that Jackson is referring to the 8th Corridor, the East-West axis which ought to be combined to the pipeline bringing energy resources from Central Asia to terminals in the Black Sea and in the Adriatic, connecting Europe to Central Asia. That explains why the great and medium-sized powers, and first of all Russia, dont want to be excluded from the settling of scores that will take place over the next few months in the Balkans."1

Why have they buried the economic importance of this conflict? Why present the undertaking, which began in the summer of 1999 in Albania, as "reconstruction" and "support for good and faithful service," since its all about the beginning of the 8th Corridor, which has been financed and in development for a long time already? Why conceal the projected pan-European energy transport system, which forms the crux of the strategy of all the great powers?

The Strategic Project of the European Union

The "Corridors" are a project which was launched by the European Union at the beginning of the 1990s. Their objective: the complete economic and territorial integration of Eastern Europe into the European market. Practically all of these strategic axes find their origin in the "heart" of Europe, where they are tightly networked: Germany.

The Corridors are an ensemble of different means of communication with the East and the South East: 18,000 kilometers of highways; 20,000 of railroads; 38 airports, 13 maritime ports and 49 rivers; and numerous oil and gas pipelines. Their function is to facilitate the flow of investments to the East and the flow of raw materials and manufactured products from the East. This project is strategic: the EU foresees investing 90 million euros there over the next fifteen years.

The map (p. 98) shows that Kosovo figures in this corridor, which has served for centuries as a route between Europe and the Mid-East. This route was crucial for the German war machine during the Second World War.

The United States does not conceal its desire to control the strategic knot of corridors situated in the Balkans. They vetoed a project for Corridor 10, which passes through Serbia. They offered $100 million to Romania in order to route pipelines father north (across Hungary).

They have a double objective: keep Yugoslavia out of the game and create an obstacle for Russian interests in the Southern Balkans. The Italian oil company ENI had foreseen a pipeline going from Pitesti (Romania) to the Yugoslav refinery in Pan evo, but U.S. war planes destroyed the Yugoslav complex with remarkable tenacity.

The Strategic Importance of the Corridors

The "corridors" are the strategic highways of tomorrow for the European economy. At stake in the battle to control them are hundreds of millions of euros.

What route will goods take, specifically oil and gas coming from the former USSR, from the East or the South East? This question of competing pipelines has already inflamed the Caucasus (see the maps in Liars Poker, p. 134135). And it will continue to inflame other areas, as the map tracing rival pipelines shows (see p. 120 and 122).

On the one hand, Moscow wants to continue transporting oil from the Caucasus through Russia to the north and by the Black Sea to the West. On the other hand, Washington has done all in its power to side-step Russia and weaken it, chiefly by trying to impose a new, long and costly Baku-Ceyhan pipeline through Turkey.

This confrontation has been prolonged in the Balkans, where various projects are competing to import oil from the Black Sea. Turkey wants to prevent Russian oil from passing through the Bosporus Straight by using ecological pretexts. And the Ukraine wants to construct 670 km pipeline from Odessa going north.

On the other hand, Romania is gladly accepting Russian oil from Novorossiysk in its Constanta port, while Greek-American interests are projecting a pipeline from the Bulgarian port of Burgas to the Aegean Sea. This would render the Turkish pipeline unprofitable.

The wars of the future will still carry a strong odor of petroleum.

>snip<

(But the bombing of Kosovo was an angelic rescue mission with no self-interest on the part of Clinton and Wesley Clark, right?-jom)
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:22 AM
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57. That the last 100 years of US history has been OIL WARS.
http://www.hermes-press.com/impintro1.htm
(The New US-British Oil Imperialism)
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 07:44 AM
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24. Now that we're getting to real truths, this thread will drop like a stone
I can't help but notice that it's more than the new deal. Perpetual
war, spying on citizens and this secrecy thing are beyond the constitution,
so either someone has already not defended it and declared it void,
or it is not in force....
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 07:46 AM
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25. That the US military complex is out of control and dangerously maligned
That the military is now in to torture, and does not answer to the
people of the nation, operates secret supra-legal operations, that
it has advocated and provoked criminal wars, makes the top leadership
criminal and no defenders of the constitution or the nation.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 07:46 AM
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26. Kick
:kick:
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 09:00 AM
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27. The Project For A New American Century
The involvement of Bush's uncle, Jonathan Bush, with the scandal-plagued Riggs Bank.

The growing split among repukelicans over the immigration/amnesty issue.

Bush's apparent coziness with Clinton. (Guaranteed to give freepers fits!)

The push to put Arnold Schwarzenegger (crossing myself and donning garlic necklace) in the White House.

The allegations that Jeb Bush's son, George P. Bush, has a history of being abusive towards women.

The allegations (no idea if this is true or not, I have no personal knowledge, and this is my opinion only) that George H.W. Bush likes 'em young, real young.

Israel.

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kohodog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 09:25 AM
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28. That we are a Theocratic fascist state rather than a democracy?
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 10:35 AM
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38. Yup, that about sums it up... n/t
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 09:41 AM
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29. The White House outing a CIA agent for political gain.
The fact that PNAC is running our government.
The fact that Bill Frist votes on Medicare though he is part owner of one of the largest HMOs in country. (Hospital Corporation of America)
The fact that while the country frets over Iraq Bush* is raping our environment, not to mention our economy.
And on and on....
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 09:45 AM
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31. Dick Cheney's secret energy panel meetings & secret documents
which we still have not seen
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 09:48 AM
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32. ...and probably won't in our lifetimes.
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 09:42 AM
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30. I'm bumping your list with a new #1: Peak oil -nt-
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 10:15 AM
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33. The fact that global climate change will kill us
in 30-50 years. It's speeding up, and our only hope for survival is to cut emissions by 70%; does anyone think that will happen?

Most of the GOP f*cks are old enough that they don't give a damn about superstorms, massive crop failures, dead forests worldwide, rapidly rising sea levels and a new Ice Age. It's big profits NOW for them; and when they kill the planet? Well then, hell, Jesus will be FORCED to return then, right? :eyes:

Neither the repugs or the Dems will talk about it. They've fucking doomed us to an unimaginable hell in OUR LIFETIMES!
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NeoTraitors Donating Member (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 10:24 AM
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36. Such a loooong list.
Also, Laura Bush killed a man when she was a teenager. Abu Ghrabe, the largest deficit in history, Patriot Act opposite of patriotic, 4th ammendment is history, MASSIVE BIG GOVT EXPANSION, and many, many more.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 10:22 AM
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35. collapse of the dollar. nt
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laura888 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 10:32 AM
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37. kick!
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 10:35 AM
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39. I agree with your list, but just a small quibble
Edited on Sat Jan-29-05 10:41 AM by Lydia Leftcoast
We're more like 1930s Germany (when there was still a facade of normal life) than 1940s Germany (when the concentration camps were in full operation and the bombs were falling).

:-)

Oh, and may I add my own items:

The need for a single-payer health care system--MSM talk about "health care reform" invariably limits itself to subsidies or tax credits for buying overpriced insurance or else some lamebrained idea that if consumers can shop for doctors, prices will go down. ("Hey, ambulance crew, this hospital charges too much. Let's go around to the different hospitals and see which one charges the least to treat a heart attack.")

Shills being paid by the auto and real estate industries to spread lies about mass transit and smart growth

The fact that many of America's problems with education are caused by local contro--idiotic school boards elected by idiotic parents


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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 10:42 AM
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40. Reverend Moon
And his obscene degree of influence in Washington and particularly over the Bushes.

See, for example, Robert Parry's articles at http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/101504.html
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 11:26 AM
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41. The destruction of the Western Alliance.
And that Bush is by far the most hated man in the world.

This effects our economy, military deployments & funding, and America's prestige around the world. I'm surprised that large-scale boycotts of American products or even economic sanctions against the Bush Regime haven't taken place.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 06:21 PM
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42. Democratic imperialism
The democratic party loves to harness potential voters to bet back
in office, but hiding in the wings is just another sort of imperialism
that wants to betray us all... I know people mention the vichy dems,
and indeed, it is underdiscussed, as we have a "consensus understanding"
to oppose bush, liberal left (progressives), libertarian liberals, and
vichy dems.... but that alliance was for last november.... and what
is it now? It is underdiscussed, as there is fear in the vichy camp
that they are increasingly alone pulling towards republicanism, rather
than falling back on principal.

These truth threads are great, the more insightful they get, the faster
they sink... that they become virtual heavy radioactive isotopes, so
heavy and dangerous, nobody will kick or comment... :-)
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poe Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 11:49 PM
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44. nailed it
how about
1)racism
2)toxic cell phones- coltan and genocide in the congo
3)the entirety of US is a fraud propped up by rampant violence and Founding Father Fairy Tales
4)the politics of rent and indentured servitude
5)the failure of the organic food boutique food movement (healthy food is a right not a privilege
6)borders-fences-cages-walls-prisons-colonies-capitalism (every thing's connected)
7)giving up our own creature comforts and gadgets
8)the incredible energy sink of party politics
9)all fixes are impossible-try new modes
10)detumescence as a democratic tradition
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 11:53 PM
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46. PROPAGANDIZING!
Edited on Sat Jan-29-05 11:54 PM by ultraist
PAID "Journalists"
MINDERS
CORPORATE MSM
FACTS FILTERED BY RELIGION
HALF TRUTHS AND LIES LEAKED TO THE PRESS
SANTIZED WAR IMAGERY & INFO
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cry baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 11:58 PM
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48. How his face gets scratched up all the time....n/t
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achtung_circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 12:04 AM
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50. Furrin countries.
A look at the rest of the world might convince Americans that they are living in La La Land.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 12:18 AM
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51. Cliff Baxter suicide and ENRON Energy policy.
Odd how on one day he wanted a bodyguard and looked forward to sailing on his new 73-foot yacht and on the next day left his house in pajamas and shot himself in the head with ratshot. No wonder Bush claimed that "That man" "supported his opponent," Ann Richards.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 12:47 AM
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52. China owning most of our debt. nt
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 02:10 AM
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53. A recent CNN online poll
showing that 99% of respondents would NOT be willing to die for democracy in Iraq.

But judging by the last election it is apparently okay if others die.
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 02:42 AM
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54. Haarp, decimation of dolphins and whales, GWEN, ELF, but heck, we could
Edited on Sun Jan-30-05 02:50 AM by evolvenow
run out of oil sooner than they figured, go sustainable, develop free energy and have a beautiful future.

Global warming, Haarp= Exploitation Grand Central, opens up Antartica for oil, land, and makes an easy trip without all of those pesky glaciers and ice in the way of all that unbridled raping of the earth.

Before anyone starts screaming, Google: Bearden, tectonic weapons

Google: free energy, economics

Google: Tesla, bankrupt, J.P. Morgan

Make the connection that when we go off grid, off oil, big time, the gig is up and that is only if Nature doesn't give us a well-deserved heave-ho at some point, first.

Seriously, IMHO, these War Criminal thugs are the end of a dynasty, that is why they have to steal elections. There are still not enough people. not enough consciousness to shift into a new paradigm based on life, not death, but it is becoming more powerful every day. When the polarity reaches a breaking point, there will be a shift, either gradual, or great, just like when the Berlin Wall came down, Communism broke down:

Evil institutions will crumble and be replaced with truth and action all over the world. Money will fall. Government is being revealed, Secret Government/organizations are being exposed and eventually the secrecy that is needed to keep horror in motion, will come to a halt and humanity will begin to take care and protect all living beings.

Until that time, that list is gonna become gigantic.

Oh, and IMHO I still feel the earthquakes were not just a natural occurrence.
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:43 AM
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58. DARPA just wants to improve the US Mail service and keep us safe.
Edited on Sun Jan-30-05 03:45 AM by JohnOneillsMemory
They wouldn't vandalize the ionosphere the way DOD did in 1962 when they set off a High Altitude Nuclear Explosion or HANE and the Van Allen Belts didn't stabilize for 10 years AND they killed seven of their own LEOS or Low Earth-Orbiting Satellites in the process.

Or try to use HAARP and ELF to magnetically vacuum the ionosphere in case North Korea sets off a HANE to blind the US as suggested in this University of Maryland graphic presentation:

http://www.eisenhowerinstitute.org/programs/globalpartn...
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:52 AM
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61. Now...how can you fire a gun or load it, if you are crawling on the ground

http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/gwen-haarp-satellite-g...

GWEN Towers, HAARP & Satellite GPS_EMF Control Grid

The Purpose Behind The Neighborhood ELF Microwave Towers

Sent To Don Croft By an unidentified friendly source
May 23, 2002

Think grid triangulation. Like the old grid paper, put a dot at each corner. expand the box outward. Each level of panel acts also dimensionally (not like 4th, but in 3d space dimensions, don), or to put it another way, pitch, yaw, up, down, right, left, x, y, intensity, duration, frequency pulse, etc, those kind of dimensions.

The whole damn dumb show was supposed to go down in late 99, but they didn't get people's guns, that big finalobstacle to fascism. That's when they hit upon these ELF towers. Tested them in Ventura, Africa, and the Sudan. They had GWEN operational in '92, but it did entire counties and would affect their own people, who have body suits they were (lined with lead-impregnated kevlar- which blocks elf and piggyback freqs.).

So they found out that the little towers, by the tens of thousands, they could literally aim any energy like a gun to a single home, a given range area, and so forth. Big places run by FEMA/NORAD run it all from computers. But they can also go remote, with the proper clearance and hookup. They found out they didn't need to get the guns (that's why the push and schoolyard shootings stopped here; they no longer needed that scare op that worked so well in England, Australia, Germany, ....)

Now...how can you fire a gun or load it, if you are crawling on the ground begging for mercy? If you can imagine the worst abdominable pain there is, then you know how debiliating it is - you simply can't do anything, but lie on the ground and pray for relief .

Then they can clean up entire streets, districts, small towns, enclaves, as needed. They don't need to pulse the whole country at once. Only as they do sweeps would they need to fire the machine up. And it is great for little revolts as they are sure to spring up. You can aim this grid like a net, down to the meter's distance. Got a neighborhood or backwoods community that isn't cow towing the NWO line? Simple, fire up the machine and down they go...as you walk through, kill the ringleaders, disarm the rest, then the lesson is taught to the survivors
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SweetLeftFoot Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:59 AM
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62. That crap
Big places run by FEMA/NORAD run it all from computers. Dang computers.


they no longer needed that scare op that worked so well in England, Australia, Germany, ....)

There's never ever been a school shooting in Australia, mainly because we don't have guns.

Jesus, this crap gets posted when there's real issues to discuss.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:49 AM
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60. chupacabras, alien abductions, time cubes...
cigarette smoking man, the Lost City of Fatlantis, the Necronomicon...

you're perfectly welcome to talk about that sort of thing, but I think in all honesty there's better websites for that sort of entertainment.
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 04:25 AM
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64. Columbine, Horrible School Shootings
http://holology.com/shooting.html#9


Where: Monash University, Melbourne Australia (student enrollment: 50,000).
When: 11:20 AM October 22, 2002.
Killed: Xu Hui (William) Wu and Steven Chang, both 26 years old.
Injured: 22-year-old student Laurie Brown - wounds to the stomach and leg. Monash lecturer Lee Gordon-Brown, 44 - wounds to the arm and knee. Christine Young, 22, of Glen Waverley - wound to the face. Leigh Huynh, 23, - wounds to leg. Daniel Urbach, 21 - wounds to shoulder and hand.
Charged with two murders and five counts of attempted murder: 36 year old China-born Huan Yun Xiang - fourth year commerce honours student.

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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:04 AM
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65. Seismic Testing, LFAS- OIL and Military Marine Mammal Murders
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SweetLeftFoot Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 04:00 AM
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63. Hypocrisy
Why it is that the "sanctity of marriage" is always trotted out as "reason" to stop gay people marrying when those so virulently opposed to it (gay marriage) are usually on their second or thiurd straight marriage?
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 05:56 AM
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66. oh and the coming economic crisis/depression
other nations hate us so much now, they will not support our dollar and will soon boycott us altogether leaving us swinging in the wind.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 06:09 AM
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67. Our Totalitarian Allies - Saudi Arabia in particular
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 11:13 AM
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69. CHEMTRAILS
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 11:29 AM
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72. www.themetacenter.com
n/t

lots of other out there

www.chemtrailcentral.com

and yes, Dennis Kucinich was asked about it way back in 2002 and his response was "Yes, they are real".
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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 11:52 AM
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74. Yes, I remember when Kucinich put it in the Space Preservation Act of 2002
They were described as "exotic weapons" and then the term chemtrails mysteriously disappeared from the bill.

http://www.rense.com/general19/kucinich.htm
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:39 PM
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78. Those are "real" clouds, don't you know. I actually heard a weatherperson
in the last year say "milky skies". WTF? "Milky skies". Over the edge. Can't get enough tin foil to foil the apartment, car and ourselves with all the time.

I want an accounting! This is not normal.
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 11:26 AM
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71. A kick to the top and a thank you to MOPAUL! You always hit it on the
nail head. Once again, thank you.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 11:31 AM
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73. huh? what???
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 11:57 AM
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75. 1. The Bill of Rights.
2. The Geneva Conventions.

3. The fact that Bush's policies comfort the comfortable and afflict the afflicted.

4. Bush and his allies' vindictiveness.

5. Grover Norquist and his ilk, the puppetmasters behind Bush policies.

6. The fact that the GOP spouts Frank Luntz-tested phrases (such as "It's better to fight the terrorists in Baghdad than in New York or Washington") that have nothing whatever to do with the real dangers faced by the U.S.

7. Bush and his allies' treachery.

8. That the Bush administration constantly claims it's doing a much better job than any other previous administration and that it's leaving things much better than they were before, rather than fouling up things and creating problems for future enerations.

9. That Bush owes his millionaire status to the taxpayers of Texas, not any actual work that he did.

10. That torture, lying about WMD, outing CIA agents, allowing civilians to die for a policy, and the like are morally disgusting, far more disgusting than, say, lying about sex.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 12:19 PM
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76. yes, thank God there was no blow job in the oval office
thank God honor and dignity have been restored to the white house.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 12:31 PM
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77. Our military is using napalm on Iraqis
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RockStar Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:45 PM
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80. kick
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 03:55 PM
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81. Class warfare.
The extreme consolidation of wealth.

They fired the first shot, but it we fire back, it's "Class warefare".

You're dismissed.
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Red State Blues Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 06:38 PM
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82. almost
Actually, they fire all the shots and if we're impolite enough to mention it, it's class warfare.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 06:45 PM
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85. That's much more accurate!
Thanks!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 06:41 PM
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83. "neo-con" is anti semitic
They don't want the rank and file to find out that the "Reagan republicans" aren't in the picture any more.
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 06:45 PM
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84. The corporate whoring of the administration,
Edited on Sun Jan-30-05 06:48 PM by Liberty Belle
which has taken money from the world's worst companies and biggest polluters, also putting industry reps in charge of regulatory agencies. . Predictably, with the foxes watching the henhouse, the federal government has weakened consumer and worker safety standards while relaxing pollution limitations.

A new report by Human Rights Watch shows just how bad things have become. 100 years after Upton Sinclair published The Jungle, an expose of dangerous meatpacking practices that led to much-needed safety reforms, conditions have again deteriorated. Today, meatpacking is the most dangerous job in America, causing numerous deaths, dismemberment and other serious injuries.

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 06:56 PM
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86. American secrets passed to Iran via Chalabi via the Neocons
But move on!
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 07:21 PM
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88. Depleted Uranium, insidious vaccines, cell phones--kick--for awareness
Edited on Sun Jan-30-05 07:27 PM by evolvenow
I heard a woman on a video mention that part of the reason that AIDS is so widely spread in poor countries, was because of the vaccines affecting their immune systems making them more vulnerable, plus of course many other factors. But beware of any vaccine, who knows what is in it, besides mercury and other hellish toxins.

Also, wait for the short and long term damage that DU has and will sadly manifest...for generations as it affects DNA. Shame, Shame, Shame for these horrific actions.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 11:29 AM
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89. kick for rape of the environment, pollution of air and water.
It is astounding how many of our leaders and citizens have their heads in the sand on this one....
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 01:36 PM
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90. Cheney outs Valerie Plame to hide his profits in A.Q. Khan's Nuke Walmart
We certainly can't talk about this, can we?

http://s93118771.onlinehome.us/DU/AMERICANJUDAS.pdf

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