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flamin lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 04:29 PM
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Talking point.
They say that Dems are weak on defense, but because of Bush's spending like a drunken sailor the Pentagon is cutting back on the F-22Raptor, killing the tilt rotor, canceling all replacements for warships being retired in the next decade, and at least two destroyers and one amphibious landing craft have been cut. The Pentagon anticipates more cuts to offset the cost of the Iraq war.

Don't forget that the largest cut in defense spending came under George Bush 41 and Dick Cheney was the hatchet man.

Nope, just can't trust us Dems with defense spending, we'll starve the military and kill all the new technology.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 04:31 PM
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1. Not to mention he killed 1400+ troops
and lost another 20,000 due to injury and desertion.

Plus lost the war in Iraq, effectively another Vietnam.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 04:31 PM
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4. JINX!
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 04:31 PM
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2. You forgot to mention...
...he's also doing a pretty good job of whittling down our infantry.
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fryguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 04:31 PM
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3. IMO Raptor should be cut
waste of billions on a weapon system designed to fight the USSR -- don't think there's much threat of us having to go toe-to-toe with the Soviet airforce.....how about putting a little of that $$ to protecting our ports of entry guys?
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flamin lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 04:38 PM
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5. Yes, of course, and besides
they are letting contracts for the Joint Strike Fighter before the first F-22 even rolled off the production line.

But, I'm not so sure about not needing a force to reckon with the Russian Bear. Recent developments brought on by Dubya have Russia, China, India and Venezuela making alliances to counter our position as the last super power. If we don't make a major reversal in our imperialism we just may be in for a new cold war.
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fryguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 04:52 PM
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8. AWOL-in-Chief might be poking at hornets nests, but
we are, and will in all likelihood remain for the forseeable furture, quite well prepared to fend off anything that could be thrown at us. the one problem would possibly be dealing with the sheer numbers of aircraft - or other weaponry - and even a $1 Billion plane is of limited effectiveness when confronted with a 100 $1 Million planes.....so wasting money on new fancy, expensive systems isn't the best allocation of our resources

(not that I think that was what you were advocating for anyway, btw)
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Been Fishing Donating Member (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 04:39 PM
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6. The Pentagon will save a bunch of money by cutting
Edited on Fri Jan-28-05 04:40 PM by Been Fishing
VA benefits, charging vets for food, lodging, and medicine in VA hospitals. Also, cutting back survivor benefits.

<Heavy sarcasm>
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flamin lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 04:41 PM
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7. The point is
that we need to be telling our Republican friends that Bush isn't really defense friendly. Neither was his father or Dick Cheney.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 05:11 PM
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9. Is our defense budget still greater than the rest of the world combined?
Edited on Fri Jan-28-05 05:12 PM by IMModerate
That should indicate competitiveness, but then there's waste, fraud, and those non-competitive bids.

--IMM
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