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MichaelHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:38 PM
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Hey LOOK trolls and freeps, Freedom is on the march
Edited on Fri Jan-28-05 02:56 PM by MichaelHarris
In Pictures: Iraqi Children Witness Killing Of Parents By U.S. Occupation Forces
by Scott Saturday, Jan 22 2005, 8:52pm


An Iraqi man and his wife have been shot dead in front of their five children by US soldiers who fired on the car in which the family was traveling.


The incident happened in Tal Afar, near Mosul, in northern Iraq, late on Tuesday.


The US forces' press service said the military extended its condolences for the incident, but added that "the military must take appropriate action against possible threats" because of the prevalence of car bombs.


Yes, freedom is certainly on the march but not for those planted here, their freedom came at the hands of American bombs and bullets.

Trolls, freepers, you don't care one bit for these people, you only want to see your leader proven right. At least admit you have no respect for the human life being lost over there as you beat the chest of American patriotism, the patriotism that is costing us a generation both in Iraqi children and America's youth. You're safe in your double wide while someone else's child dies, it costs you nothing to support this nightmare. If that price was one you had to pay would you?

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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:41 PM
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1. The Trolls, Freepers, Christian Fundamentalists, And Bush Ass Kissers
Will never be able to admit that they are wrong. They have too much of their emotional identities tied up in their delusions.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:44 PM
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3. quite right
failure to develop one's own cognition forces one to rely upon the constructs sold to them by their daddies.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:46 PM
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4. They can no more do that than the Nazis who's thought patterns they
have been programmed by their Bushevik Masters to mimic.
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MichaelHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:47 PM
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5. God forbid
if their children come home in aluminum boxes with labels like, "Not for public viewing" maybe they will see the cost others are having to bear. It's flag waving to them, nothing more, nothing less. They look at American soldiers dying as taxes, something we have to do as long as it's not their "taxes" dying. They've placed human life on the same level as a tax we have to pay to secure oil around the world.

I hurt in my heart for every soldier lost during my life, especially one's lost during wars with no meaning.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:43 PM
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2. Just out of curiosity . . .
Edited on Fri Jan-28-05 02:44 PM by ET Awful
Why so many crucifixes on the graves? It seems a peculiarly Christian thing to have in a predominantly Muslim area.

I'm just curious.

I'm not trying to distract for the point, and I'm sorry to sidetrack it, but my mind works in funny ways sometimes and that jumped out at me for some reason.
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MichaelHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:48 PM
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7. I never noticed it
the picture came from a site about the deaths of children in Iraq. It's a good point though.
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 03:07 PM
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11. Crosses, not cruxifixes ;)
But of course, that's beside the point.

That photo is of a protest against the war. It is an art installation that a group set up to symbollize the deaths. But, I agree, it is not really ethnically/religiously sensitive. I hadn't noticed that it wasn't inclusive, good point.
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la la Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 03:08 PM
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12. la la
On the beach, in Huntington Beach in Ca- volunteers set up crosses in the sand every weekend - in a memorial to those killed in Iraq and I believe, Afghanistan----there might be other places where this is done, but this looks like Huntington.
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:47 PM
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6. I would! I would gladly sacrifice
every freeper if necessary to free Iraq.

Editorial note: that only sounds like a joke. :grr:
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:51 PM
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8. I so unjokingly agree with you. nt
:grr:
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:52 PM
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9. psst.. Mike
"Your safe in your double wide "

should read: You're safe in your double wide.

'You are safe', not 'your (possessive) safe'... as opposed to my safe.

They will be looking to pick apart your message on any little thing. Don't let them get you on one of their faux pas.
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MichaelHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:57 PM
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10. LOL thanks
when I get mad typing I mess up alot. I need to take up meditation posting or something.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 03:11 PM
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13. I don't understand why there are Christian crosses in the grave yard
Edited on Fri Jan-28-05 03:12 PM by superconnected
I gathered that iraqis were buried there. Iraqi is mostly Islam.
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 04:40 PM
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16. There are plenty of Christians in Iraq
I have heard that before the war, the Christians and the Muslims got along with each other quite well.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 07:25 AM
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17. But not for long...
The Iraqi government under Saddam Hussein was very tolerant toward the Christian minority there, viewing them as a bulwark in favor of pluralism and against Islamic fundamentalism.

Of course, after the election, the Shi'ite fundamentalists will be in charge, and will view Iraqi Christians as not only infidels, but collaboraters with the old regime that oppressed them. I suspect the bloodbath will be swift and fierce.

Of course, that won't be of concern to the Good Christian Leader in the White House. Iraqi Christians were primarily Roman Catholic or Oriental Orthodox...not True Bible-Believing Christians(tm) like Robertson, Falwell, and Delay.

:puke:

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tralfaz Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 04:57 PM
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18. Pictures
The crosses are there for "photo appeal"
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 03:26 PM
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14. Perpetual peace is the endpoint...
Edited on Fri Jan-28-05 03:32 PM by ultraist

Liberal Internationalism: Peace, War and Democracy1
by Michael W. Doyle
http://nobelprize.org/peace/articles/doyle/index.html
"Peace and democracy are just two sides of the same coin, it has often been said. In a speech before the British parliament in June of 1982, President Ronald Reagan proclaimed that governments founded on a respect for individual liberty exercise "restraint" and "peaceful intentions" in their foreign policy. He then, perhaps unaware of the contrast, announced a "crusade for freedom" and a "campaign for democratic development."2

In making these claims the President joined a long list of liberal theorists (and propagandists) and echoed an old argument: the aggressive instincts of authoritarian leaders and totalitarian ruling parties make for war. Liberal states, founded on such individual rights as equality before the law, free speech and other civil liberties, private property, and elected representation are fundamentally against war, this argument asserts. When citizens who bear the burdens of war elect their governments, wars become impossible. Furthermore, citizens appreciate that the benefits of trade can be enjoyed only under conditions of peace. Thus, the very existence of liberal states, such as the United States, the European Union and others, makes for peace. And so peace and democracy are two sides of the same coin."

Building on a growing literature in international political science, I question the pacific liberal claim by identifying three distinct theoretical traditions of liberalism: liberal pacifism, liberal imperialism, and a liberal internationalism that combines elements of both the previous two. Despite the contradictions of liberal pacifism and liberal imperialism, I find with Immanuel Kant and other liberal republicans that liberalism does leave a coherent legacy on foreign affairs. Liberal states are different. They are indeed peaceful. But they are also prone to make war. Liberal states, as Kant argued they would, have created a separate peace. They also, as he feared they might, have discovered liberal reasons for aggression. I conclude by arguing that the differences among liberal pacifism, liberal imperialism, and Kant's liberal internationalism are not arbitrary. They are rooted in differing conceptions of the citizen and of societies and states. (con't)
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Perpetual peace, Kant says, is the endpoint of the hard journey his republics will take. The promise of perpetual peace, the violent lessons of war, and the experience of a partial peace are proof of the need for and the possibility of world peace. They are also the grounds for moral citizens and statesmen to assume the duty of striving for peace. "


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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 04:30 PM
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15. Let freedom reign. God Bless America...
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