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kuozzman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 01:36 PM
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I need some help making a 12 step program for Freepers.
Edited on Fri Jan-28-05 01:41 PM by kuozzman
I'm sure we all have friends/family who drink the Bush Kool-aid, I know I do. Though whenever I discuss something controversial with them, I get to overwhelmed by their ignorance to get my thoughts straight about just how ignorant they are, so I'm making a 12 step program for my freeper friends/family. I'll post it when I'm done, but I wanted some feedback about the 12 most important things that people are ignorant about. If you know of any good websites that summarize any of the following, feel free to list them, for they may be better than what I have now. Thanks in advance for any feedback. Here's what I have now:

12 Step Program For Freepers

1. Meet the PNAC
2. Have a look at some PNAC documents
3. Look over the 9/11 timeline at cooperativeresearch.com
4. Elections 101: Some facts about voting in the United States
5. The 2000 Election
6. The 2004 Election
7. Media 101: Some facts about todays media
8. The Bush Economy
9. Corporate America and Congress since 2000
10. The Bush cabinet: A closer look
11. The Bush family: A closer look
12. Apoligize and then thank me.

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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 01:37 PM
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1. Cook Meth outside --------links enclosed for the Morans...
Edited on Fri Jan-28-05 01:39 PM by xultar
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cheezus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 01:38 PM
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2. Where's the step where they have to aplogize to us?
:)
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kuozzman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 01:40 PM
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4. That's a perfect Step 12!
:headbang:
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 01:41 PM
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6. But should we force the mentally deficient to apologize. Isn't that like
executing the retarded or something?
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 01:40 PM
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5. Hey love the Avatar...I love Patrick Stewart I think he's SOOOOO Hot...
I have a thing for older men. I think the oldest I've dated was 62. But he was a Fireman so he was in shape. No need for the viag...ooops never mind. TMI.
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cheezus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 01:59 PM
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10. I grew up with Picard
looking back, I'm pretty sure he's where I learned ethics.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:01 PM
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11. Yeah he's Ethical too. But HOTTTT AS HELL!!!!! fan the flames....n/t
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Acryliccalico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 01:40 PM
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3. What they can do to make a difference
:kick:
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 01:45 PM
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7. It's a shame about #3.
After that they won't bother getting to #5. :cry:
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Kota Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 01:48 PM
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8. Remember to keep your message simple so they move back
to thoughtful conversations slowly. They have been living in a fog and reality could be a shock.Thats why they fight it so hard.
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MARALE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 01:54 PM
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Delete
Edited on Fri Jan-28-05 01:56 PM by MARALE
double post.
:spank: :spank: :spank: :spank:
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MARALE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 01:54 PM
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9. You need to end thier dependence...
On Fox, Rush, Hannity, etc. They can't heal until they realize these are not sources of news.
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kuozzman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:04 PM
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13. I'll make sure to stress that in Media 101. Thanks. n/t
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:27 PM
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17. LMAO!!!
Step 1: admitted we were powerless over (propagandizing "news" stations) and that our lives were unmanageable; pledged to remain abstinent from such "news" stations one day at a time.

Step 2:"Came to believe that a power greater than ourselves (BODY OF KNOWLEDGE AND FACTS) could restore us to sanity".

Step 3: "Made a decision to take back our lives from GW BUSH."

Step 4: Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of GWBUSH and ourselves.

Step 5: Admitted to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of GWBUSH'S and our wrongs.

Step 6:Were entirely ready to remove all these characters of defect through impeachment or voting in Democrats.

Step 7: Removed these defects by being honest and refusing to spread lies and propaganda.

Step 8: Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all. Including those we are responsible for harming in our greater community and around the globe.

Step 9: Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.

Step 10: Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.

Step 11: Sought through honest discussion and active participation to improve our society and our relationships around the world.

Step 12: Having had an awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to other freepers and to practice these principles in all our affairs.





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kuozzman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:48 PM
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19. lol!
B-)
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:03 PM
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12. That's an excellent list!
I might throw in a little info on the Christian Reconstructionists, but you have plenty there to get them started. I love "Meet the PNAC"
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:16 PM
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14. LOL wonderful. Possibly very effective too. Excellent.
I'd put media up to #4. (Explains why election reporting might be off.)

For #2, Instead, how about Tax Money 101. How much is at stake. If each American puts in about four bucks, that's ONE BILLION dollars. Republicans have borrowed 1800 B$ in four years for 291 M Americans: about $1500 per American for EACH YEAR, EACH FAMILY MEMBER. In turn your familt got a $600 check--once. If average you did not even get back $500 let alone $1,500. Clinton figured it would take 15,000 B$ to pay the principal and interest, Republicans now figure we will owe that much. That is a differnce of THRITY-THOUSAND BILLIONAIRES. And it is going to Republican buddies including the media. It is your money -- and IT IS YOUR CHILDREN'S DEBT -- to be about $50,000 per American.

OK, too long.

Something with detail and links would make a great email.

I love it.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:21 PM
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15. I think your idea has merit, but I personally favor --
-- a program whose swift culmination involves freeper chinos being buried alive with large earth-moving machinery in a VERY deep hole.

This would be forged as a 2-step program:

1 Round the morons up; and

2 Bury their asses alive forever.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 07:29 AM
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22. Or a three-step program...
1) Find large cliff.
2) Go to edge of large cliff.
3) Jump.

Any questions?

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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:25 PM
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16. Cruel and unusual punishment
Force a Freeper to count all the way up to 12?! What kind of a sick-minded person are you, anyway?
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kuozzman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:43 PM
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18. How does Step 1 look?
Edited on Fri Jan-28-05 02:43 PM by kuozzman
Step 1: Meet the PNAC

The Project for the New American Century (PNAC) is a neoconservative think tank formed in the spring of 1997. PNAC's stated aims: to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests, to achieve a foreign policy that boldly and purposefully promotes American principles abroad, to increase defense spending significantly, to challenge regimes hostile to US interests and values, and to accept America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.

PNACs Statement of Principles (6/3/1997): http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples...

After the 2000 election of George W. Bush, many of the PNAC's members were appointed to key positions within the new President's administration:

(This will appear in table format on my website when complete)
Name Department Title Other remarks

Elliott Abrams
National Security Council
Representative for Middle Eastern Affairs
President of the Ethics and Public Policy Center

Richard Armitage
Department of State
Deputy Secretary of State

John R. Bolton
Department of State
Undersecretary for Arms Control and International Security Affairs

Dick Cheney
Bush Administration
Vice President
PNAC founder

Seth Cropsey
Voice of America
Director of the International Broadcasting Bureau

Paula Dobriansky
Department of State
Undersecretary of State for Global Affairs

Francis Fukuyama
President's Council on Bioethics
Council Member Professor of International Political Economy at Johns Hopkins University

Bruce Jackson
U.S. Committee on NATO President

Zalmay Khalilzad
U.S.-Afghanistan Embassy in Kabul
Ambassador

Lewis Libby
Bush Administration
Chief of Staff for the Vice President

Peter W. Rodman
Department of Defense
Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security

Donald Rumsfeld
Department of Defense
Secretary of Defense
PNAC founder

Randy Scheunemann
U.S. Committee on NATO, Project on Transitional Democracies, International Republican Institute Member
Founded the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq.

Paul Wolfowitz
Department of Defense
Deputy Secretary of Defense

Dov S. Zakheim
Department of Defense
Comptroller

Robert B. Zoellick
Office of the United States Trade Representative U.S. Trade Representative

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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:58 PM
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20. ...as if freepers can be enlightened.
no amount of proof, reasonable argument, or logic, has ever worked in making them see.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 03:19 PM
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21. Won't work. Freepers can't count past ten.
unless they take their socks off.
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neebob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 08:51 AM
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23. Step 1: Pull your head out.
Edited on Sat Jan-29-05 08:52 AM by neebob
Seriously - I mean how are they supposed to read or listen to all the other stuff?

I would also consolidate some of the information-gathering steps to make room for an early step where they question existing beliefs and assumptions - for example, "Is America really always right? Why do I believe this?" - and a later step where they internalize and accept reality (as opposed to ignoring it or having it bounce off of the hard fantasy shells they live in). Perhaps they could do this by repeating a mantra, such as, "I am being used," or "George Bush is not my friend."
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