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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:11 PM
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Will the "new Iraqi government" kick the U.S. out ??
I say "no" ...

There's no question the Shia will win an overwhelming majority ... the question is, will they see U.S. military presence as a help or a hindrance ...

bush will try to use the "democratic elections" as proof that the Iraqis want us there ... if Sistani and other Shia leaders insisted the U.S. leave, bush would be in a politically untenable position if he wanted to stay ... it would paint a big red "OCCUPIERS" label on the U.S. and would not be acceptable to the American people ... it would make any pretense of democracy in Iraq a sham so transparent that most Americans would see right through it ... with his credibility gone, bush would be more of a dead duck than a lame duck ... bush wouldn't have made the following statements if he didn't already know what a post-election government would do:

an article from Reuters included this:

"I've heard the voices of the people that presumably will be in positions of responsibility after these elections, though you never know," Bush said in an interview with the newspaper. "But it seems that most of the leadership there understands that there will be a need for coalition troops at least until the Iraqis are able to fight."

Asked whether the United States would pull its troops from Iraq (news - web sites) at the request of a new government, Bush reiterated a position expressed by other administration officials: "Yes, absolutely. This is a sovereign government - they're on their feet."


the deal is that "the fix is in" ... the issue of continued U.S. military presence has already been negotiated ... bush and Sistani have already made a deal ... bush gets to continue his hideous escapade in Iraq and beyond ... but what's the deal with Sistani?? why is he willing to bargain with the devil?? i'd be interested in hearing opinions on this ...

i believe Sistani's "medical visit" to London last year was a sham ... i think that's when the deal was made ... perhaps Sistani's motivation was as simple as his knowing any elected government will not be able to defend itself from the "insurgency" ... but i suspect there may have been a partnership entered into to harvest Iraq's oil ... it could just be that Sistani agreed to some very lucrative contracts for certain U.S.-based corporations ... an he and his government get a cut of the action ... it buys him a revived oil industry, minus a big old Halliburton/Bechtel cut, and it buys him a security force to guard the rebuilding of the oil industry ... once again, American military forces are being used for the direct benefit of multi-national corporations ... "troops die; profits rise" ...

so, my conclusion is that the new Shia government will NOT kick the U.S. out ... Sistani and bush have hopped into bed with each other ... not a very pretty picture, eh ??

your thoughts ???
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cenflrd Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:13 PM
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1. no way!
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:15 PM
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3. because ??
welcome to DU, cenflrd !!!

i agree with you but was hoping for a bit more elaboration ...
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:14 PM
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2. It's rather hard to predict Sistani
He pretty much rules the country, so whatever he decides at a given moment goes.

And he doesn't talk to all that many people, so its hard to get a read on what exactly he wants to do.

He could easily be planning to order the US out immediately and no one would know about it.
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:26 PM
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7. yes, he's very hard to predict ...
but look at this from his perspective ... his "faction" in Iraq will easily win a strong majority ...

it's hard to see how he could believe Shia rule in Iraq would be widely accepted ... the "rebel forces" are not just going to say "oh, well, the people have spoken" ... and it's hard to see how Sistani could believe a new Shia government could end the rebellion on its own anytime soon ...

bush went public with the statements he made to give him cover if he decides to withdraw ... if he wants out, he gets Sistani to ask the U.S. to leave ... then bush says we toppled Saddam, we got them democratic elections, we honored their request to leave proving our motives were always in the best interests of the Iraqi people ... he gains either way ...

but the truth is, his motives are not pure in Iraq ... his motives are nothing but greed and power ... so i don't think that's the path bush will choose ... and if bush wants to stay, there are infinite "bribes" he could offer Sistani ... Sistani has the political clout to kick the U.S. out ... but i just don't see the motivation anytime soon ... I think he's been offered a deal he just couldn't refuse ...
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:16 PM
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4. Not a chance -- Sy Hersh has reported
that US officials have made clear to leading candidates the three conditions of their candidacy:

1) US stays
2) No theocracy
3) No links to Iran
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:16 PM
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5. Nah... But, you'd better believe the RWers are gonna make it look that way
No Text.

;)
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:17 PM
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6. They can't.
Unfortunately they need us to throw a few crumbs their way while we blatantly exploit their resources.
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 08:01 PM
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8. kick ...
any other opinions ??
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 08:05 PM
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9. oh yeah... and the 14 military bases will be turned
into health spas.

this 'election' will be less legit than the one that installed oil puppet Karzai in afghanistan.

ashlee simpson's latest acid reflux is more newsworthy than this staged event.
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