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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 11:54 AM
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CSPAN - SOC SEC Reps claiming "pressure" to make Soc Sec look bad !!!
Edited on Fri Jan-28-05 11:57 AM by cthrumatrix
31 yr soc sec veteran testifying
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 11:55 AM
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1. job is to "serve the public"...not politics..."there are laws on the books
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:20 PM
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24. Thank you for posting. This is such a damned outrage.
Shit. As if the paid pundits weren't bad enough,...but to use "public servants" to manipulate the people is so freakin' disgusting that I,...I,....well, GAWD, I cannot even express my fury!!! :mad:
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:21 PM
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25. welcome - the WH admits it's wrong --- so put them in GD jail !!!!!!!!!!
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 11:56 AM
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2. Past 3 years they have been forced to share "a soc sec message"
this is clearly a "hit plan" by shrub for sometime
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 11:57 AM
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3. she saying there are laws - is the WH breaking the LAW ?
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:28 PM
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33. thanks for posting, I just turned it on.
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GreenPoet64 Donating Member (897 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 11:57 AM
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4. Exellent testimony--must see! n/t
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 11:58 AM
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5. the WH overstep the laws -- they cannot use our tx $$$'s to pump
privatization
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 01:25 PM
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44. Crimes against "the people", indeed. n/t
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:01 PM
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6. OMG - they are forcing SSA employees to "sell out" and LIE
where the hell is our atty general.... this is not legal
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:03 PM
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7. she is reviewing the forced "process" that the WH has told the SSA
to "get out" tp the public.

She testified,as public servant to SSA...they should not be used as a plotical tool.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:05 PM
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8. another 31yr claim rep now testifying -- 12:01 est (he is affirming her
story).

They feel these are mistruths and don't want to communicate mistruths!
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 08:37 PM
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49. .
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:08 PM
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9. Union employees asked 3 times to deliver "false message" not a
political agenda.

He goes on:
The WH and the agency has said "they are not being used" (lie).

He's going over internal communique that clearly shows career employees have had to discuss "solvency" talking points that they were given and that Privatization "is the way".
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:10 PM
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10. giving multiple examples of how they are being "used" for political purpos
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:16 PM
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19. BUSTED AGAIN FOR PROPAGANDIZING!
THOSE BASTARDS have used journalists, government workers and God knows who else to propagandize. That CLEARLY violates the law. Someone cited the law here recently, I believe it was established in the 1970s.

If a few journalists and gov workers have been outted, I can only imagine how many are out there that we have yet to hear about or that will never be exposed. We are only seeing the tip of the iceberg.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:35 PM
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38. Obviously the Bush programs can't sell themselves.
They either have to pay private pundits to sell the message using tax dollars; or they force civil servants to do it, using tax dollars.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:43 PM
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40. The Bush administration is perpetrating a fraud against Americans.
The depth and breadth of their deceptive propaganda campaign is nothing short of a crime against our people and our country.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:11 PM
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11. "Aren't supposed to call it 'privatization' "
Note in news articles lately, it has also been re-coined as "personal" accounts and "personal investment" accounts.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:28 PM
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34. As if changing the language changes this administration's GUILT
in intentionally misleading the American people through taxpayer-funded, government-created propaganda!!!

Bullshit!

This is a crime against our people, against democracy, against honesty/integrity/trust and definitely against "freedom" because fraud steals a person's "freedom" to make an informed decision!!!

I am so PO'd right now. :mad:
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:31 PM
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Me too on the PO front
and it's been that way for quite some time now under this mis-administration of government.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:53 PM
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43. there is a "clear violation" of the laws --- where the hell is the outrage
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:12 PM
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12. all options are to lead to privatiztion --- not a neutral opinion
the agency is agressively using career opinions...some are mgmt officials, all of them are career employees and they believe is a "misuse of govt funds"
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Acryliccalico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:12 PM
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13. All Sens. should be serving us
we pay their wages!
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 06:52 PM
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48. not according to Rick 'Sanatorium' per this first-hand account
Don Barletta
"GOVERNMENT OF, FOR, AND BY THE PEOPLE" (NOT!)

Thu Jan 27, 2005 23:42
http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?disc=149495 ;article=74880;title=APFN


"GOVERNMENT OF, FOR, AND BY THE PEOPLE"
by Don Barletta

1/27/05, Thursday, 11am ET:

I just completed a 10 minute phone call with Senator
Rick Santorum's office. I phoned to ask if they keep
a tally of the amount of calls they receive on any
particular issue, and I was specifically interested in
any constituent input his office had received
regarding the vote to confirm the nomination of Condi
Rice. She told me that they did have that information,
but it could not be released to me, as it was for
their internal use only. After she put me on hold
three times when she would not answer my simple
repeated question, my call was transferred to a
Santorum staffer named Josh.

First Josh told me that yes, they do keep a tally.
Then Josh told me that they keep a tally, but they
only do so after the fact, after the vote. Then Josh
told me that they have a good idea as to how much
constituent input they receive, and which way the
constituent input is leaning, either for or against.
But then Josh told me that they discount a lot of the
constituent input, if they believe that it was
generated by any activism organization of any type.
Then Josh told me that while the Senator does ask him
(Josh) which way the will of the people is leaning, he
told me that that does not determine the Senator's
vote. He told me that the Senator votes "his"
conscience, "his" opinion, and "his" will, and not the
will of the people
.

So I again asked him if he would tell me if he knew
whether the will of the people was in favor of, or
against, voting for the confirmation of Condi Rice. He
told me that the constituent input that the Senator's
office received; that the people were strongly in
favor of voting against her confirmation.

Of course Senator Santorum voted in favor of her
confirmation.

So I switched the topic slightly, and asked Josh for
his opinion of government of, for, and by the people.
I told him that I thought that the Senator was
supposed to represent the will of the people. I asked
him what quantity of input or preponderance of demand
on one side of an issue would encourage the Senator to
vote accordingly. I asked "what if the Senator had
received one million requests, and that 90% of them
were against her confirmation?"

Josh told me that while that would be significant,
that the Senator would still vote his own conscience.
I again asked about the part of representation being
"of, for, and by the people." Josh told me that if I
were to ask the Senator that personally, that the
Senator would tell me that the U.S. is not a
democracy, but rather a Republic, and while the will
of the people might be of consideration, it is
subordinate to the will of the Senator. Then he told
me that if I don't like that, too bad, and that my
only option is at the voting booth in the next
election.

Having written letters, sending emails, and
telephoning my and other Senators, my Congressman, the
President, and the Vice President - and those contacts
totaling well over 1,000 in just the last 8 months
alone - I can tell you that Senator Santorum is
endemic of a much larger problem.

And that is, with VERY FEW EXCEPTIONS, no one in
government is listening to the people. No one. They
are just doing what they want. And if you don't know
by now that our government is taking America down the
toilet, then you are either a victim of government
psyops brainwashing, media collusion, or you are
simply disinterested or uninformed.

If you are aware of what our government is up to, and
you are doing nothing, then get up off your ass, and
do something. It doesn't take much time, very little
effort, and certainly no cost to email or toll-free
phone a politician. If you know better, and are doing
nothing, it is inexcusable.

It is time for all of us to rise up, start screaming,
and bombard the government and media with our demands.
Will that achieve anything? I don't know. But I hope
so. So excuse me while I go write yet another letter,
and make another phone call.

C2005 -- Don Barletta 1/27/05


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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:12 PM
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14. The only crisis is not enough funds to administer correctly.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:13 PM
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15. this needs a "major investigation"...who told them to "lie"...??????
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:14 PM
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16. Thank goodness I was wearing soft houseshoes or I'd have broken,..
Edited on Fri Jan-28-05 12:15 PM by Just Me
,...something. :mad:

This is yet another example of taxpayer-funded, government-created deceptive/manipulative propaganda and it's a goshdamned OUTRAGE!!!

This pattern of intentional deception/manipulation by the neoCONimperialists definitely falls within "high crimes and misdemeanors" and obviously constitutes a breach of their oathes of office!!

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:16 PM
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20. you notice this is on Friday and will be ignored by the media
watch how little energgy this gets...this is govt corruption!
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:24 PM
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28. It's a horrific pattern of deception against the American people.
Edited on Fri Jan-28-05 12:25 PM by Just Me
I kid you not,...I was angry at the paid pundit thingy and I characterized such conduct as behavior constituting "high crimes and misdemeanors". But, I had no idea that "public servants" were being coerced into spreading deceptive propaganda, as well.

I am seriously pissed,...my face is hot,...my blood pressure is sky high.

This is such a gross abuse of power. Disgusting!!! :mad:
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:15 PM
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17. "illegal propaganda" --- there you go --- she said it !
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:22 PM
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26. GOOD FOR HER!
YES! There are decent and MORAL people in this country.

It should be called OUTSOURCING as it outsources a government social program to private companies.

Whenever the government has outside private contracts perform services for them, it is generally called outsourcing as it is being done, out of house. A lot of outsourcing of human services work is being done to cut done on the bureaucratic overhead. Private social workers and therapists for instance pick up contracts from Social Services. It's a trend that started years ago.

OF COURSE they avoided calling it what it really is: OUTSOURCING SOCIAL SECURITY TO PRIVATE CORPORATIONS

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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:15 PM
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18. I hope none of them have spouses working as undercover CIA agents
The last time a government official publicly stated that the admin was lying in order to force their issue, his wife got screwed.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:16 PM
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21. Let's see the repukes and msm try to claim this is coming
from a radical feminist democrat !
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:18 PM
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22. Violation of section 503 -- propagandizing (using OUR tax dollars)
for a lie and others to make money from our retirement programs
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:20 PM
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23. WHAT - WH admits illegal activity and says "they'll change" WTF !!!!!!!!!
where is the outrage and prosecution !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:25 PM
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29. More along the payola/propagandizing violations ala
Armstrong Williams. This is a scandal that need to be hammered home. Neocons or just plain cons, that is what the Republican party has devolved into. Bunco artists and arm twisters.
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:25 PM
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30. CHARGE THEM !
HOW MANY TIMES are they going to get BUSTED propagandizing before they are held accountable?
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:27 PM
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32. put them in CUFFS now ...set a trial date ---- WTF is going on !
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Nordmadr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:37 PM
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46. Exactly...
no outrage, no apologies, just that this is not their policy and he is ordering it stopped...oh yeah, and the White House didn't no anything about it. Ignorance is bliss. I'd almost prefer to be ignorant, then I would't BE SO DAMNED MAD ALL THE TIME!!

Olaf
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:24 PM
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27. this NEEDS to be known by AMERICA - they are using our tax $$'s
ILLEGALLY.

31 yrs of service .... they have never seen such use of public employees!
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:26 PM
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31. damages --- whoever is behind this should be JAILED NOW
not in the future ---

Clinton get's a BJ and all hell breaks loose. The WH breaks the law and says they'll stop ..............WTF
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:31 PM
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35. Exactly!
And we are insane because we claim the Bush administration uses fascist tactics.

It's pretty cut and dry, we now have FOUR cases of propagandizing, violations of section 503.

WRITE/CALL/EMAIL your Congress Reps and Senators and DEMAND ACCOUNTABLITY THROUGH AN INVESTIGATION AND CRIMINAL CHARGES.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:31 PM
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36. WHAT COMMITTEE are they testifying to???
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:33 PM
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37. Democratic Policy Committee n/t
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:39 PM
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39. Ohhhh YES! Dayton on now
hammering the propaganda tactics of the administration. :bounce:
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:47 PM
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41. Dorgan: "I hope your testimony does not cause you problems
at home and in your job. You are very brave." :scared: :scared: :scared:
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 12:51 PM
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42. only the "violators of the law" are protected with the WH
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Nordmadr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:40 PM
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47. I seem to recall hearing that
the whistleblower protections had essentially been sabotaged. They will have pink slips on their desks Monday, and probably shipped off somehwere for "insurgent activities".
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 01:29 PM
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45. we need legal action here - if a law is broken - you should be tried
in the court of law - not dismissed.

Like a guy robbing a bank - get's caught & now wants to put it back.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 10:28 PM
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58. They are going to make it a "firing offense" NOT to push the propo..
Changes in the rules for DHS will make it easier to fire people, and harder for them to fight "questionable" firings...

See Fridays NYT:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/28/politics/28home.html
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 03:58 AM
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50. kick
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TheUnspeakable Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 09:05 AM
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51. this is outrageous!!!!
I watched the whole thing last night-both workers stated that in 30+
years they had NEVER been asked to spew political rhetoric-only in the last three years. The public should be able to trust the SSA
and now they can't. Where will it end?? By the way, I noticed something about * on my tax form last year and I was outraged, but I can't remember what it said. They're using the IRS and the SSA and the entire media to promote their fascist agendas -somebody help us!!!!!!!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 09:07 AM
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52. We must collectively stop this outrage!
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 09:20 AM
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53. The Bush regime's true motives
The Bushies are trying not only to turn younger workers against their parents, they're also deliberately trying to turn the American people against the Social Security program itself by ordering employees to peddle their propaganda as if it were fact.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 10:06 AM
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54. they will do whatever ti takes ---- their ends justify the means.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 02:26 PM
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55. kick
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PowerToThePeople Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 04:37 PM
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56. this is good
:kick:
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Acryliccalico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 10:21 PM
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57. Kick n/t
:kick: :kick:
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