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no_vote_no_count Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 10:10 AM
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Something to make you go "hmmm"...Bush's visit to Cleve.
Yesterday * spent 3hrs at the Cleveland Clinic to discuss ways of doing away w/ paper medical records and converting them to computerised records instead.

Seems to me that's something that he wouldn't necessarily have to come out here to do, right? It's interesting that the Cleveland Clinic is well known for its heart surgery dept. Heads of state from around the world, as well as some more famous people have received medical care at the Clinic.

Makes me wonder if maybe * didn't actually come to the Clinic for a consultation?....goes w/ that square shape theory that some have been speculating on...

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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 10:12 AM
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1. Good catch.
Why is the president consulting about medical recordkeeping? That is just nuts.

Three hours?? Hmmmmm.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 10:13 AM
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2. Probably, and I HATE this policy.
Edited on Fri Jan-28-05 10:13 AM by jdj
You can't lie on insurance forms anymore.

All they have to do is hit a couple of keys and see you used to smoke or something.

This fucking sucks.

It will lead to mass violations of doctor-patient confidentiality.

All to fuck people and turn even more people down for insurance because you had an ingrown toenail 20 years ago.

edit: yes, GREAT catch. this is why I love the internet. thanks for posting.
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 10:16 AM
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3. Or maybe something to do with the "election?"
Perhaps to hand the checks to the officials who helped steal Ohio?
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 10:19 AM
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4. Look what I found from 2002.....
Gotta love Google!

http://www.medhelp.org/forums/cardio/messages/33224a.ht...

Subject: Cluster of Symptoms
Topic Area: Bradycardia
Forum: The Heart Forum
Question Posted By: wen on Thursday, January 17, 2002

I had had the same cluster of symptoms that President Bush manifested this weekend - neurocardiogenic syncope, plus a very low resting heart rate. I remember the day before my scheduled imlant an article appeared in the paper which lauded his low resting pulse - 38 bpm. I actually brought the article to my EP - and asked why he was recommending a PM to me (my resting rate wa 40 - dropping to low 30's at times; I also run recreationally) - when in Bush it seemed like the low rate was a kind of "trophy"! I am also about the same age as W. Several doctors recommended a pacemaker implant (which I now have - and which is not difficult to live with!). I'm just wondering: would this be recommended for him? (Or does potential public reaction outweigh the medical advice.) A Curious Patient.

Answer Posted By: CCF-M.D.-CRC on Thursday, January 17, 2002

Dear wen,

Perhaps you should stay away from Pretzels! ;)

You are asking about 2 different issues - pacemaker for low heart rate, and pacemaker for neurocardiogenic syncope (NCS). In regard to the first there is no "lower limit" which determines if someone needs a pacemaker as long as they are symptom free. If there are symptoms due to the low heart rate then pacing is recommended.

As far as NCS goes pacing helps some people but not everyone. In general we like to see multiple fainting episodes and not just one and a failure to respond to lifestyle changes and medications before we recommend pacing.


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Kota Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 10:27 AM
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5. It does seem strange. Doesn't seem like his attention span
allows him to stay on a subject that long. At the press conference yesterday he was impatient,edgy and distracted.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 10:44 AM
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6. Not to mention just "casually" dropping by OHIO!
Wonder if he connected with his fellow bandits while he was there?
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 10:52 AM
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7. local paper says talk took an hour,he was there for 3?
Edited on Fri Jan-28-05 11:14 AM by Algorem
"...In his first trip of his second term, Bush spent three hours in the city where his father unveiled a health care reform plan in 1992 - not to mention the state that played a big role in his own re-election victory...
The hotel, on the Cleveland Clinic campus, also had a connection to his campaign, as Vice President Dick Cheney attended a fund-raiser there in November 2003. The organizers of that $2,000-a-person reception included Dr. Floyd Loop, the Clinic's former chief executive; A. Malachi Mixon, chairman of the Clinic's board; and trustee members Umberto Fedeli and Norma Lerner...
While Bush was warmly received inside the hotel, about a dozen protesters huddled outside, The Associated Press reported. And U.S. Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones, whose district includes neighborhoods around the Clinic, urged Bush to address issues related to the uninsured...



...Bush ended the hourlong discussion by saying, "What we're hearing today is just the beginning of substantial change, all aimed at improving people's lives..." http://www.cleveland.com/politics/plaindealer/index.ssf...
http://www.cleveland.com/politics / A presidential visit
Bush promotes computerized medical records to reduce cost, errors

Listen | Transcript | Video

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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 03:52 PM
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9. He never stays longer than an hour anywhere ... except for fundraisers
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 03:43 PM
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8. can't find anything on what he did while he was stinking the place up 2
secret hours
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Been Fishing Donating Member (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 04:03 PM
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10. Maybe it is to cut the paperwork that insurance companies do.
Computerized records can then be outsourced to India for processing. The HMO's can lay-off their administrative staff.

Then the cost of medical insurance will be lowered, followed by lower hospital costs, followed by lower drug prices!

Isn't that what bu$hit thinks?
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no_vote_no_count Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 10:47 PM
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11. Ummm...
Is that what a *president* travels to a state to do? Doesn't he have committees that work on these things?
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