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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 07:55 AM
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How could Condi Rice and everyone else seem to forget Samuel Byck?
Edited on Fri Jan-28-05 07:55 AM by underpants
CLAIM: "I do not remember any reports to us, a kind of strategic warning, that planes might be used as weapons."

CLAIM: "I was certainly not aware of < intelligence reports about planes as missiles > at the time that I spoke" in 2002. < responding to Kean >

http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF...



The History channel is promoting an upcoming special entitled, The Plot to Kill Nixon. There is also an upcoming film called The Assassination of Richard Nixon, starring Sean Penn. It's a true story based on Samuel Bicke's attempt to hijack an airliner in 1974 and crash it into the White House.

My point is this - following 9/11, our government repeatedly told us that they never conceived of the idea of someone using an airplane as a weapon (nevermind the nut who tried to crash a single engine plane into Clinton's White House). But that's obviously not the case - would the CIA or FBI or Secret Service really forget this incident? Certainly our government didn't need 9/11 to prove that it could be done.



http://maccabee.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/22/2378/17470


For years, Samuel Byck, an out-of-work tire salesman, led a secret life as a would-be assassin. His target: President Richard M. Nixon. This 90-minute special reveals the untold story in Byck's own words! Byck left behind a 2-hour audiotape telling of his hatred of Nixon and his elaborate plan to kill him. The FBI and Secret Service now use this remarkable tape to train their agents. In the early 1970s, Samuel Byck devised a plan that involved hijacking a jet airliner and crashing it into the White House in order to kill President Nixon--the first time a commercial plane was intended to be used as a weapon. Using his real voice, this dramatic special recreates the bizarre story from Byck's deranged point of view. In the end, we show what really happened, and what prevented Byck from reaching his target.

http://www.historychannel.com/global/listings/listings....

The History channel is promoting an upcoming special entitled, The Plot to Kill Nixon. There is also an upcoming film called The Assassination of Richard Nixon, starring Sean Penn. It's a true story based on Samuel Bicke's attempt to hijack an airliner in 1974 and crash it into the White House.

My point is this - following 9/11, our government repeatedly told us that they never conceived of the idea of someone using an airplane as a weapon (nevermind the nut who tried to crash a single engine plane into Clinton's White House). But that's obviously not the case - would the CIA or FBI or Secret Service really forget this incident? Certainly our government didn't need 9/11 to prove that it could be done.



http://maccabee.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/22/2378/17470
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 07:57 AM
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1. because there is Zero Accountability for truth or actions from
our media when it comes to the "elite"...they get a pass becuase they own them
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 08:03 AM
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4. On 9/11 or just after Wm. Cohen was on ABC saying he was worried about it
I don't mean this as a condemnation but Cohen was on ABC and said that every time he went into the world trade center he worried about a plane crashing into it (not necessarily hijacked).

The engineering review that I saw on Discovery Channel centered on the mistakes made in engineering (too much untreated drywall around the main structure) but that a plane crashing into it WAS considered and planned for.

But yet off they went with their "Hey look we really didn't pay much attention to any of this to tell you the truth...hold it sorry I just got this from the focus group NO ONE EVER THOUGHT A PLANE COULD BE USED AS A WEAPON!!!"

Wolf Blitzer:"Oh I am sure that is correct now let us talk about....."
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 07:58 AM
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2. I watched it last night
Another interesting tidbit: During WWII, they reinforced the outer walls of the White House because they were worried about a Japanese kamikaze attack.

Yes, Condi was either lying or dangerously ignorant.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 08:06 AM
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6. I was just sitting their shaking my head at this
First off Byck was very unstable (that's the nice way of putting it). It was amazing how close he got and, as the psychologist said at the end, how poorly he planned-he shot the security guard? He never considered that?

Second that part about reinforcing the White House was news to me and (still shaking my head) (giggling now) oh my God no one ever mention this on any TV show I had seen.

Lastly-a guy buzzed the White House THE WEEK BEFORE with a helicopter!!!

Good lord
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 07:59 AM
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3. Because the American public and media have forgotten about Byck
That works to the Busheviks' advantage.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 08:06 AM
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5. Neither my wife or I remember hearing a thing about it at the time
Edited on Fri Jan-28-05 08:08 AM by htuttle
Must not have gotten much national media play, given all the other stuff that was going on. And that soldier who 'attacked' the White House with a Huey? Never heard a word about it back then (we're in the midwest).

In fact, when I first saw the title, 'the plot to kill Nixon', I assumed they were going to talk about Artie Bremer.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 08:10 AM
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7. I hadn't either -WOW! Artie Bremer was whacked out
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 01:41 PM
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10. We never heard about it either...
Surprising ... I was 28 in 1974. It seems like I would have remembered this if it had been publicized at all.
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readmylips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 08:11 AM
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8. That was a good story....
thank God Sam Byck did not get to kill that rat Nixon. If he had, we never would have removed him from office in disgrace, and for the crook that he really was.

Byck went to the same high school (not the same year) as my hubby and maybe lived in the same Phili neighborhood. To attend that high school, you had to be from the same neighborhood. My hubby was shocked to learn this about Byck, and shocked to know that there was ever a plot to kill Nixon. The guy was only 5 minutes, by jet, from the White House.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 08:59 AM
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9. Yeah it was very frightening
but luckily (as I pointed out above) these type of people rarely succeed in their plans because, basically, they are nuts* to start with.

*not a professional assessment.
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ContraBass Black Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:04 PM
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11. Weren't the Columbine shooters planning to hijack a plane
And crash into a skyscraper in New York or another major city?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:55 PM
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12. Yep I think I heard that too
but see that took place in the Clinton administration and rule NUMERO UNO for the Bushies was to reverse or at least ignore every single thing that happened during those EIGHT YEARS.

:eyes:
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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 05:41 PM
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13. 30 years under all of the administrations is unacceptable to me
Edited on Fri Jan-28-05 05:47 PM by vetwife
A lot of people were not doing their jobs ! It does not matter whether it was Dem, Republic or I don't belong to any party. The media did not do their jobs and a lot of folks on both sides of the aisle have been cya a long time. I am not buying that back in 2000 when all the congress said that they did not know of an emergency government was in place. You bet they knew. It is We the People as a whole did not have a clue but I did. I was told in eighties this was in force. So if little ole me a little old nobody knew ...why did our legislators not know of what C-Span calls The Shadow Government in case of disaster.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 05:44 PM
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14. Thirty? Try Sixty years
I mentioned this above, but they said that they reinforced the walls of the White House during WWII due to the danger of a Japanese kamikaze attack.

Quite contrary to what we've been told, crashing planes into buildings seems to have been old news as far as security planners were concerned.
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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 05:49 PM
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15. Absolutely....
Edited on Fri Jan-28-05 05:49 PM by vetwife
You know that guy Sam, if he had finished his mission and Thank God he did not, he could have had more than we want to know about in his brief case. I still wonder about the hijackers on 9-11....Did they do this terrible deed and not have more than we know on board. Just one of those things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm in the night.
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