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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 01:59 AM
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Iraq elections; The Fix is in, and the Iraqis know it.
Contrary to many Western press reports which depicted the debate over the election date as polarising Iraq along sectarian lines -- with the majority of Shia pro-election, while the Sunnis are pro-delay -- Iraqi political activist Mussa Al-Husseini (Shia) told the Weekly that there were also large sections of the Shia population who are committed to boycotting the elections.

Al-Husseini, who describes himself as a secular Shia, went on to point out that there are large numbers of Iraqi Shia who will boycott the elections despite Sistani's calls to go to the polls, because they believe that the whole process is merely a charade intended to bestow legitimacy on an illegitimate order.

"The real issue is not about a Sunni boycott versus Shia participation," Al- Husseini insisted. "It is about whether you are against the occupation and support the national resistance. And there are as many Shia as there are Sunnis in that camp."

http://why-war.com/news/2004/12/02/tovoteor.html

"This is a statement issued and signed by 69 independent political groups, religious authorities ( marjyia ), tribal leaders and independent public figures," Mothana Hareth Al-Dari, spokesman for the influential Sunni Muslim Cleric's Association (MCA) said. The statement advocated an "absolute boycott" of the elections. No vote, it continued, "promoted by the occupation forces" can result in sovereignty and independence for the Iraqi people. It cited "vicious" attacks by the occupation on Iraqi cities like Najaf, Karbalaa, Samara, Mosul, Baghdad and "especially the genocidal war launched on Falluja", as among the reasons for boycotting the elections.

"The undersigned realise that...the results of the vote have already been decided in favour of those supporting the occupation." The signatories include Sunni, Shia, Christian, Turkman, Kurdish, Islamic and secular groups.

A Shia electoral list was announced last week, with the blessing of Iraq's senior Shia cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali Al-Sistani. Significantly, it did not include supporters of Al-Sadr. The 275 candidate list is expected to dominate the Iraqi parliament and has created the false impression that the boycott is essentially Sunni, while Iraq's Shia are happy to contest the vote.

"You must realise," cautioned Al-Ali, "that there is a big difference between a Shia list and the Shia list. Yes, there is an electoral list, but it doesn't represent all the Shia. Don't forget that the Al-Sadrist movement is influential in the Iraqi street and it is boycotting the elections." The elections' opponents, he stressed, include both Sunni and Shia.

"I speak now as a Shia," he told the Weekly, "and what they are doing is dividing the nationalist line. We will not hesitate to expose those who do that." And, according to the MCA's Al-Dhari, "one quarter of the election boycott front is Shia."

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2004/721/re7.htm

Hey bush, you're not fooling anyone...except the rightwingnut rubes, and anyone can fool them about anything:

Bush says Iraq likely to want US troops after vote

"I've heard the voices of the people that presumably will be in positions of responsibility after these elections, though you never know," Bush said in an interview with the newspaper. "But it seems that most of the leadership there understands that there will be a need for coalition troops at least until the Iraqis are able to fight."

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N28128390.htm

"Most of"? You mean ALLAWI, bush. He's not "most of".

Then again, bush calls the lowest re-election percentage in decades "an overwhelming mandate".

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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:38 AM
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1. PBS Report Tonight
It showed Iraqis in the U.S. registering to vote and how, even here, what a joke this election is.

First, the criteria is anyone who can trace some kind of residency (even as a baby) in Iraq...going all the way back to the pre-Saddam monarachy that was overthrown in 1958! Some of these people elligible to vote not only spend little time in Iraq, but hold American citizenships. Surely, the rules were relaxed "stack the vote" here to pad the overall numbers.

Then there's the fun of determining whose running for what. There are 119 parties listed on the ballot and many don't list individual candidates. There's zero voter education (other than what "others" suggest) and even some of these people might not vote since they are so confused by the whole process. This is what's going on in Detroit and Chicago...just imagine the fun they're having in Ramadi, Basra and Mosil.

Remember, there was an election in Iraq just prior to the invasion. Saddam won 99.8% of the vote, but also were provincial and local leaders...who were then chased and chaos ensued in the early days of the invasion. I wouldn't be surprised if many of these people went underground, just like the partisans in WWII, and will just bleed the U.S. dry; biding their time until this country is spent militarily and emotionally. This is what happened in Vietnam and Afghanistan. History never wears well on an occupier.

Of course this regime already has determined this "election" is an overwhelming mandate. This is their script and fantasy isn't it?
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 03:18 AM
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2. don't be surprised
if you see the headlines on Monday or Tuesday -- Bush wins
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 05:10 AM
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4. rofltmao!!!
good one. :D
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:47 PM
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13. I'm waiting for the voter reports
where it says "Hey I voted for Allawi, but it changed it to bush*"
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 03:42 AM
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16. LOL!!!
Wouldn't that by HYSTERICAL! :D
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 04:59 AM
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3. Must keep in who ever will keep Brenner's order in place.
After all we have sold out the whole country to corp. Every thing. It is the NAFTA of the Middle east. They can not make their own clothing, save their own seeds to plant, buy drugs but only from the US firms, sold off the public water works and of course hold all the oil sales in our hands. Then on top of this we say they can not change these laws.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 05:12 AM
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6. yep, ain't American-style democracy & liberation grand.
For the bush Haves & Have-Mores.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 05:11 AM
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5. America Hater!
Edited on Fri Jan-28-05 05:11 AM by mopaul
I've reported you to the negativity police and soon you will be assimilated and made to understand.

bush is the emperor, and he can do whatever he wants by holy decree, so just relax and enjoy the rape.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 05:13 AM
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7. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo....
...
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 05:19 AM
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8. It isn't Just Iraqis. The WHOLE Arab world knows this is a SHAM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4208603.stm


~snip~

Horror, blood and elections - The Iraq elections, with only four more days to go, should have been a national occasion filled with joy, optimism and national gratification.

Editorial in United Arab Emirates' Al-Bayan


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Re-electing Bush in Iraq - Any Iraqi voter who casts his vote will be giving it to the US president and will be giving the occupation the legitimacy it has been searching for. The candidates are competing to win votes which have already been counted and decided. As for America, it does not care who wins. The elections are a solution. However, they are not a solution for the Iraqi problem but for the USA.

Editorial in Libya's Al-Shams


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The occupation authorities are trying to cover up their crimes using the interim government recently accused by the Human Rights Watch of human rights violations in Iraq. Such a government, which was also accused by Transparency International of looting on the pretext of reconstructing Iraq, is not qualified to conduct democratic elections.

Editorial in Egypt's Al-Jumhuriyah

~snip~

Let Mr Allawi remember that the months he has spent in power, together with candidates on his list who hold senior posts, have been the worst, bloodiest, darkest and most criminal months for Iraqis... We dare Allawi and other members of his list to travel at night to Basra peacefully without his 1000-guard convoy. We dare him to walk in Baghdad streets and suburbs after midnight. We challenge him to raise any eyebrow if the Americans say "No", or to say "No" to something the Americans want.

Editorial in Iraq's Al-Bayyinah



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RockStar Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 05:47 AM
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9. Just like here in the USA the election was a joke so will be in IRAQ
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 05:58 AM
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10. Shrub has spoken to to winners?
"presumably will be in positions of responsibility after these elections"

Out of over 100 parties running Shrub presumes who will be in positions?

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 06:09 AM
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12. he has chatted with thug allawi a couple of times this week
I guess we know who the "winner" is.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 06:05 AM
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11. Just another *co FRAUD.
Democracy a la Bush Quotes from http://www.bartcop.com /

"In a darkened hall, candidates for Iraq's main Shia party sit listening to a turbaned cleric speaking into a microphone. They are being told how to campaign for the election without getting killed.
The instructions are simple - avoid public places and do not reveal your identity, the cleric advised.
Most candidates should stay at home as much as possible, he added."
--Jack Fairweather, explaining Bush's vision for the Middle East

"I will not be voting because it is a useless charade. Any clever person can see that this war and its expenditures would lead to a government that opposes the Americans.
--Salah Abrahim , who lives in the district of Baghdad populated primarily by Shia Muslims


"Who are these people? Where do they come from? Put yourself in my place, who would you vote for?"
--Yusrah Naif, a 52-year-old Shiite in Baghdad,


"I have no idea who these people are. We are all religious in Iraq but we want an honest, educated leader, not someone crying about what happened 2,000 years ago."
--Adil Guzzaz, 47, a Shiite who doesn't know any of the Iraqi candidates

Alert Printer Frie
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 02:50 PM
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14. Wow, so the Imperial Subjects of both Amerika AND Bushfreedomstan
Edited on Fri Jan-28-05 02:51 PM by tom_paine
share something

"because they believe that the whole process is merely a charade intended to bestow legitimacy on an illegitimate order."

"The undersigned realise that...the results of the vote have already been decided in favour of those supporting the occupation."

Yep, Iraqis, the Busheviks are exporting the same kind of "democracy" that they have imposed at home in the Empire.

Which is of course the a variant of the same "democracy" Saddam Hussein practiced except the Busheviks know that a 99% victory for Fuhrer might be viewed with skepticism so they don;t go quite that far.

All the Imperial Subjects of the Amerikan Empire's vast holdings have the same issues.


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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 03:27 PM
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15. If Cuba's expats were able to vote I'm sure there would be at least 90%
Edited on Fri Jan-28-05 03:28 PM by oasis
participation. The Iraqi expats don't give a shit because they know it's a charade.

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