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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 11:40 AM
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Do Photos of Dead Iraqi Children make you Uncomfortable?
Edited on Sat Jan-22-05 11:50 AM by mopaul
The thousands of Iraqi children, murdered by president cheney and his monkey, have no more voice to scream with. They and their mothers and fathers and families blasted and burned to death are forgotten, mere statistics, removed from our world, as if they never existed.

I wish that we could remember them, and sometimes the best way to remember a lost loved one is through a photograph. Perhaps a photo of a child smiling, or perhaps a photo of a child with her head blown off.

I wish that we could use the power of the internet to show the world, to FORCE Americans, to look into the faces of those who's deaths came from our leaders, and our dollars.

I wish Americans HAD THE GUTS to look at the horror, and get over their squeamishness about seeing the dead in war. It angers me that so many WOULD RATHER NOT SEE THAT SORT OF THING, because they should.

They should see a crusade of photographs of dead Iraqi children, thousands of them, constantly, even if they sicken you to gaze upon them. They died IN YOUR NAME, so you may as well at least take a peek at what war really is. War is dead children.

Take a deep breath, brace yourself, steel your emotions, and look into the face of the dead child as if it were you're OWN son or daughter layed out in a morgue for you to identify. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CHILD, you have to see it, and weigh it in your head, and TOO BAD if it makes you a little uncomfortable to see it.

Fuck war.
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ezekiel333 Donating Member (507 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 11:48 AM
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1. Show the world!
Edited on Sat Jan-22-05 12:06 PM by ezekiel333
Fuck war and those who turn their heads away from the truth of it.
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 07:21 PM
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23. Showing the evidence. Humanizing. We can do this. It is moral.
Right on, Tinoire, for having those printed and ready to spread.

Stealth pamphleting it is called. I recommend putting photos of the evidence on every public surface.

Open a newspaper box and put your photo evidence in every newspaper.
Go to the post office and put it in every tax form on the counter.
Mall parking lots, on car windshields.
Church parking lots...
In magazine racks, especially women's magazines. Women get it.
High schools so they don't embrace war for a measly paycheck.

Don't forget bannering on freeways. See www.freewayblogger.com
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 07:26 PM
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24. Tinoire has it right
we've got to break through our revulsion and impose it on the deliberatly deluded bluntly. and if they say 'I don't want to see that, put it away', call them cowards.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 08:49 PM
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32. Does Tinoire have a link to printables? n/t
This idea appeals to me because folks don't get the reality of war.
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porkrind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 12:05 PM
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2. Good post. I agree.
:cry:
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 12:12 PM
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3. I absolutely agree. This has to become a crusade.
Something has got to break through the denial.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 12:17 PM
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4. I agree
I think the death and destruction of war should be aired on TV. I want everyone to see the face of death caused by war.

Every blown off limb, every blown off face, every blown to bits body.

Civilian and soldier alike. 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

I see no reason to spare anyone the truth of war.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 12:19 PM
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5. i agree
the picture of the little girl covered in her families blood should be shown in every church in america tomorrow. her families blood covers our nation
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 12:23 PM
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6. & that's just one photo, of one little girl
there are literally thousands i'm sure. we can't see the flag draped coffins of the returning dead g.i.'s, and we can't see the dead mothers and children.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 12:42 PM
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7. It was the pictures that finally put a stop to VietNam, The picture
that took my breathe away was the father carrying his daughter and her foot was blown off. Everyone should be forced to see the REAL results of what our government is doing.
Excellent post.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 12:45 PM
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8. Welcome back MoPaul! Missed you
My friends and I are plastering these photos everywhere. Always have a stack in the car to tuck into magazine racks, windshield wipers, shopping carts...

More people need to FACE what we are supporting when we support either Republicans or Democrats who are pro-war because it's being done in OUR names and we'll be the ones paying the price.
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Blue Gardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 06:42 PM
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14. Have you hit the fundie church parking lots yet?
Seems like that would be an excellent place to put some photos on a Sunday morning. Let them see what they voted for.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 06:44 PM
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15. like the aborted fetus photos they like to show at protests
it's one of their favorite tactics.
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Blue Gardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 06:58 PM
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18. Exactly
Use their own tactic against them.
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wildeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 08:06 PM
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28. But did it work?
Those types of protests always made me angry, never did a thing to convert me to their cause.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 10:57 PM
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33. Excellent idea. Think I'll make up a very special flyer for them
with quick damning quotes and pictures and also add this photo to it... I'll ask them to think long and hard about Bush being the antiChrist and have they been misled (quoting the relevant scriptures of course)

Yes... I'll ask the what sort of a Christian sign this is :)



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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 10:06 AM
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35. CONTRAST: horrific carnage mixed with excessive wealth & arrogance
dead children superimposed over the inaugural ball. dead soldiers and dancing diplomats. president cheney on the same page with pictures of crippled g.i.'s.

contrasts. great work Tinoire
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confuddled Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 07:12 PM
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22. Thank you for the good idea
I have a horrifying picture(provided by Al Jazeera)taken early on of a little girl or boy (can't really tell which due to the collateral damage to the collateral damage) which I keep just to make sure I stay uncomfortable. Now I know what else I can do with it.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 10:59 PM
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34. Share it!
Don't let their crimes make YOU uncomfortable (though I do understand because they make me ashamed- ashamed that MY name is being used to justify these crimes, as well as my money to pay for them).

Sigh.. There's just so much to share...
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 12:49 PM
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9. lest we forget = 'collateral damage' has a face
Edited on Sat Jan-22-05 12:50 PM by KG
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 08:21 PM
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31. Was this the pic you were referring to, BrklynLiberal?
This picture really got to me when I first saw it (a year or more ago), and continues to really pack a wallop every time I see it.
When I first saw it I thought she was unconscious; but the more I look at it I guess she's dead in this photo :-( In the uncropped version, you can see that her left foot is totally gone, IIRC.

Another photo that really gets to me is the one of a father (wearing a black-and-white checked headpiece or robe) who has his arms in the air wailing over a coffin which contains his three dead little girls. One of them is a little baby all swaddled up, I think with a pacifier in her mouth. Unbelievably heartbreaking.

It's so freakin' wrong that the US press keeps these photos from us. Americans need to see what is being done in our name.


"collateral damage", my ass. I HATE that fuckin' term!
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 12:52 PM
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10. Photos don't bother me. Making children dead does.
Right now we're awash in photos of corpses.

Corpses from the tsunami. Corpses from AIDS in Africa. Corpses from every conflict and every disaster from around the world.

Honestly? They are anonymous people, just graphics.

It's when you KNOW the person that the real connection is made. The reality of death hits home at that point.

They could play images of dead Iraqi children 24/7 on television and I doubt many Americans would change their minds regarding the benefits of this war.

As someone else has said here in these forums, Americans have to directly experience something to accept the reality. Our culture is just too media saturated for the average American to care about another shocking image from a distant land.
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Acryliccalico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 02:03 PM
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11. Photos of ANY dead children make me feel uncomfortable
and should make anyone with a heart feel that way. STOP hurting and killing the children!!!
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 06:38 PM
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12. kick for the kids
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 06:42 PM
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13. Unborn
They only care about blastoplasts, zygotes, embryoes and fetuses. The BORN, no matter their age, are disposable.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 06:54 PM
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16. This is exactly why George Walker Bush should be impeached...
...and shame on every f**king American, Republican and Democrat that supports this aggressive, immoral war.

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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 06:59 PM
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19. yeah, I doubt Clinton would've gotten away with all this genocide
the blowjob was bad enough, got his ass impeached, and the government was basically shut down over it. what a difference hypnosis makes.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 06:58 PM
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17. Will Pitt posted pictures in his blog of some kids whose parents
were killed in that checkpoint fiasco some months ago. Kid was screaming, covered with blood, looked like my four year old.

I keep crying about it and couldn't do any real work today. I'm really really upset.

Also saw some dead Iraqi kid in a post here today. YES it made me uncomfortable, if uncomfortable is the same as "incredibly depressed and angry" and frankly I wish I wouldn't see these things.

It makes me want Bush to pay. He needs to PAY for that single child, that life ruined, LET ALONE all the thousands of others, which I can barely concieve of.

My only fear is that people will become hardened, and not care anymore, if these pictures are too widespread. I think they should be used judiciously.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 07:01 PM
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20. bush haters & bush supporters see something different in the photos
we see them and think of our own children immediately, while they see them and start rationalizing it with bizarre cult statements like, 'that's one less iraqi, they deserve it for attacking us on 9-11, which never happened.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 07:03 PM
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21. Yes. And they should.
There's a picture of a child laying dead on a blanket. Her head has been flattened & squeezed like a grape. Her brain is gone.

Every American should look at that pic and say to themselves "I did that, I'm responsible for her death."

Anyone who says that Bush isn't a mass murderer - show them those pictures.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 07:57 PM
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25. We have to be the ones to show the pictures.
The msm isn't doing it, even if they wanted to they would just be accused of being anti-*. Remember when Nightline wanted to air all of the dead soldiers photos before the election?
I work with * supporters, I can't even get them to look at the pictures, let alone read about the death and destruction. "Oh please, you don't want me to spoil my lunch, do you? I might have to think about what we're doing and why. And then I might have to agree * and his kind have to go."
But yeah, I'm just a bleeding heart aren't I? I am the only one in the office that actually served in the military. It kinda blows their theory that all anti-war activists are sandal-wearing, delusional, wanna-be hippies.
If we speak, they tune us out. Visual images make an impact long after they turn away. We keep seeing them, don't we?
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nickgutierrez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 08:04 PM
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26. Hell yeah, it makes me uncomfortable.
I don't like seeing the dead, particularly when the dead was killed in an unnecessary military action in my name.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 08:06 PM
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27. that's because you have a human soul
and president cheney doesn't
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 08:10 PM
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29. Not uncomfortable, but full of rage.n/t
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wildeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 08:11 PM
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30. Do the MSM ever show pictures of the civilian casualties?
I am kind of disconnected from the media these days.

There are some very famous photos of civilians from the Vietnam war. I guess the girl running naked from the napalm attack was one. Also, the man being executed at close range by a South Vietnamese officer. I was just a little kid back then. How did those photos effect the anti-war sentiment in this country?
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-05 10:41 AM
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36. I've been posting this little girl's picture and story around the net!
I would appreciate your help.


The report, titled "Iraq: Killings of Civilians in Basra and Al-Amara," also criticized UK authorities for failing to conduct investigations into the killings of civilians, citing the case of the death of 8-year-old Hanan Saleh Matrud last August near Basra as an example. Saleh stood with other children about 70 meters from a British armored vehicle that stopped near the entrance of the alley which leads to her home. According to eyewitness Mizher Jaber Yassin, a soldier aimed and fired a shot which hit Hanan in her lower torso. She died the following day.

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=2&article_id=3478
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