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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 04:15 PM
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I think the world will decide to work against the US economically.
I think they may also decide to align militarily to some degree.

Russia, China, Iran, parts of South America and Africa...it's not hard to imagine them trading resources like oil for an arms buildup to protect their interests and to provide counter to Bush's perceived bullying imperialism.

Not to mention the perception the Muslims have of Bush's Holy War agenda to sate his bloodthirsty, End Times Republican supporters.

Bush practically issued a Fatwa to the rest of the world yesterday.

I think his supporters are too dumb to realize the real-world consequences of Bush's rhetoric.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 04:17 PM
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1. I don't think so
I mean there will be cases of this sure, and if we invade Iran or Syria the chacnes of this happening increase, but right now, most people will continue to think with their pocketbooks, which means we won't be popular, but people will still want to sell us stuff.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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justinsb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 04:19 PM
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5. Maybe sell stuff but
as evidenced by the 1.8 billion/day trade defeceit they have nearly stopped buying stuff.
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Wisc Badger Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 04:34 PM
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10. The world may not like us and with cause
but if we as a nation quit buying things (imports) then the world will be in the hurt locker in a hurry.

Other nations can combine and most likely will but we are the consumption capital of the world.

China may produce goods, but we as a nation consume them, stop the consumption and problems will develop in the production side of the equation.

It may not please you but the world needs the United States market as badly as the United States needs the world.

From and economic stand point there is to much interconnectedness of markets.
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justinsb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 04:39 PM
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14. No, in China the Per Capita Income is rising faster than
anywhere else in the world, they are consuming more and more ( as is India #2 in PCI growth) between China and India they have 2 billion people, compared to 300 million in the US so although they may not consume as much, with 7 times the population, they don't have to.
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Wisc Badger Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 04:46 PM
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20. Okay thanks I did
not know that Justinsb. I knew they were growing but I did not know it was that fast.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 04:54 PM
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21. It's not a matter of pleasing me. I feel Bush has screwed us over.
Edited on Fri Jan-21-05 04:57 PM by blm
The wealthy can survive any future economic actions against this country. The working poor will have an even tougher time of it.

Yes, this country consumes, while others conserve. But, that trait also makes us a dandy target, especially for China. Thanks to Bush's deficits, we as a country, now OWE money to China.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 04:58 PM
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23. Give that a few years friend, and China will be the number 1
Consumer nation. Whether the rest of the world decided to screw the US due to Bush or not, the US is in for some rough times ahead. A huge trade gap, an ever widening deficit, and China waiting in the wings to take their place on the world economic stage.

And I can, quite frankly see the world deciding to pull in our horns a bit with economic mechanations. Call in their loans, sell off the dollar some, we are in such a precarious situation economically that it wouldn't take much to send this country into a tailspin.

And quite frankly, having the US go down wouldn't hurt the rest of the world as much as it would have in years past, and could in the long run help the rest of the world. Sell out the dollar, and the EU becomes the defacto world currency. Call in the debt, and China, Japan, and the rest of the world get huge US assets dirt cheap. Put the US economy on the skids, raise the price of oil to the suddenly poor US, and all of those emerging economies all of the sudden have a new oil supply.

China is the key, they've got the dollars to pull off a sell out, and an immense population. If they decided to yank us up by the short hairs, we're done.
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 04:36 PM
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12. they are already boycotting our goods
and closing their ports to our ships. Sure, they'll want to sell us stuff. But, we'll need money to buy their stuff. And they aren't buying.
I think there will really be a backlash against American goods. Including our very important entertainment industry.
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justinsb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 04:41 PM
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16. Yep
There is a long list of sites in a variety of languages at

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EarthU/links/Boycott_US___UK_001101513551/
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daydreamer Donating Member (503 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 04:17 PM
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2. Chinese take on the inauguration speech
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justinsb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 04:18 PM
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3. I think that US voters
at least those that voted for Bush issued a Fatwa against the rest of the world back on Nov. 2. Venezuela recently negotiated a deal to send it's oil to china rather than the US and even here in Canada, China is currently our #2 trading partner behind the US and Paul Martin and a delegation of Canadian business people are currently in China negotiating more trade deals. The days of the US as an economic superpower are almost over.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 04:45 PM
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18. By the way, I've been seriously looking at Canada
Know anything about Thunder Bay?
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justinsb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 05:14 PM
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26. lol..not much
my neighbor is from there. Tough people up there, damn cold in the winter (damn cold) but it apparently toughens you up considerably.
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 04:18 PM
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4. I don't know much about economics
But hasn't the dollar taking a dive the first step of the world working against us economically?
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 04:22 PM
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6. It's already happening
China and Iran have signed oil deals which will naturally lead to a protective agreement. China and Russia have conduct joint military exercises. Venenzuala is purchasing arms from Russia.
China holds the US economy in it's hands, there was a scare about China changing the way it valued it's currency, and the reprecussions that would have on our economy.
these idiots are playing texas checkers on an international chess board.
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dreamcollector Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 04:24 PM
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7. Yup
I'm Canadian. I'd like to join the European Common Market. We have always had stronger ties with the commonwealth than with the U.S. so we can go from there. I've noticed we're getting chummy with China too. I can't imagine anyone feeling like helping out a country who wants to carry out the goals of PNAC. YIKES! Too scary!
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dreamcollector Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 04:29 PM
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8. I'm nearly finished reading CONFESSIONS OF AN ECONOMIC HIT MAN
by John Perkins. Who can read that book without feeling tremendous animosity towards American corporations, politicians, the CIA? It's absolutely horrifying. The author says there ain't no excuse for Americans not knowing what their foreign politcy is. Says it's willful ignorance. So ---- sooner or later ---- nemesis ---- and Blowback!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 08:16 PM
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29. It's been all blowback since we turned out the democratically elected
leader of Iran to re-install the Shah who brutalized his people. Every Iranian child knows that about the US. I doubt more than a handful of America's youth know about that event let alone how it impacts their future security.
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IrateCitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 04:29 PM
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9. I'd worry more about what the EU and Pacific Rim do...
They're the ones with the capacity to cripple us economically, but it would come with some considerable pain on their end as well.

The EU countries have been pretty smart, thus far. They've either stayed out of Iraq entirely, or they're on their way out. This can only serve the purpose of strengthening their position, economically, while our overstretched military becomes even more of a burden on our overstretched economy.

This war was all about oil. Not the direct consumption of it, but the CONTROL over it, to ensure that the EU, Japan and China remain subordinate to the US. All of these countries get the bulk of their oil from the Middle East, so it makes sense to try and control the spigot. The wild card in all of this is Russia. Should Russia cozy up more to the EU, China and Japan -- and start selling them their considerable oil reserves -- then the US plan will all have been for naught.

The EU, China and Japan don't want to turn on the US, because they recognize that it is still in their best interest to maintain a good relationship with us. But if our irrational behavior continues -- like if we invade Iran or Syria -- that may be the straw that breaks the camel's back. And while the EU, Japan and China would certainly be affected by severing economic ties, such a move would absolutely crush the already-teetering US economy, with the military soon to follow, with nothing to finance it.

A lot of this is discussed in the book After the Empire by Emmanuel Todd. In it, he essentially portrays the US as trying to maintain a hegemony that no longer exists. It's an excellent and relatively easy read. Check it out!
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SnoopDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 04:34 PM
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11. As already stated - already happening...
We might be the 'most powerful nation' but they (our current government) forget that many nations combined will kick our butt - both economically and militarily.

Hitler thought he could take over the world... Guess what - nobody wants to be ruled by a dictator. Hence, world war...

This f*cking idiot we call * is not only going to kill us but the world.

That is why we need to impeach this SOB.
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justinsb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 04:44 PM
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17. I don't think that the US has to worry about
a multi-national Military attack , I've heard virtually no one in favor of an attack on the US - in part because of all the people not supporting Bush, but there is a pretty strong consensus to take away the economic power of the US.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 08:25 PM
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30. Other nations have had
the experience of military conflict on their own soil and are quite convinced IT SUCKS. There are other means to achieve one's ends.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 04:37 PM
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13. The EU already are gearing up
Edited on Fri Jan-21-05 04:43 PM by EC
to work against us...They've already brought us to court on several issues, won't buy our corn or other altered product, instituted labeling corporations will not conform to here, etc. The EU is also approaching China to membership and India...so there you have it, soon we will be embargoed...and broke...(I do believe if China enters the EU they will start calling in some of our loans...)


on edit: Cuba and many other islands (Phillipines I heard) are also aliegning with China for trade and protection...shows that we have lost our strength if these countries no longer need us...
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 04:41 PM
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15. They already are
I see dark days ahead. Take cover.

Julie
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 04:45 PM
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19. His supporters are too blind to realize anything not said by *.
Who needs nukes when $'s will do.

But * has nukes.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 04:57 PM
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22. And good for them.
If we don't change our high-handed way of dealing with the rest of the world, they have every right to tell us to FO.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 05:00 PM
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24. We're a world community. The US is not the sole leader of it.
Neither is corporate america, thank god.
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DrGonzoLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 05:05 PM
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25. China
is already buying up Latin America. They've invested something like $35 billion in Argentina alone - if Bush continues to piss people off, China could make life very miserable for us.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 05:34 PM
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27. I like to think you're right.
I have more confidence in the world than the US.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 05:52 PM
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28. I doubt any of us WANT to be right about this. But, we're not blind to
what Bush has wrought upon this nation. We didn't vote for him, but, we will ALL suffer the consequences of his words and actions.
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