i heard Joseph Curl of WTimes say ,"bush* was talking about 'draft' ...

[ElsewheresDaughter]

and reinstating it in the spring of 2005 on the campaign trail. We talked about this often on air force 1"

he said this on c-span this morning


get ready ......it is coming people

DRAFT YOUNG REPUBLICANS!!!

[hang a left]

1. Any more details?

I wonder if there is a transcript?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

3. there should be rebroadcast again today..but i found this article 5/6/04

www.utne.com/webwatch/2004_147/news/11211-1.htmlU.S. Preparing For Military Draft in Spring of 2005
Legislation in the works: Selective Service System already mobilizing
—By Adum Stutz / Bob Keeler / Connor Freff Cochran, Vancounver IndyMedia.org / Newsday / AlterNet


May 6, 2004 Issue



After the champagne popping from Washington to Crawford, Texas subsides, a re-elected President George W. Bush would reinstate the military draft sometime next spring. Legislation is already on the table in both the House and the Senate, in the form of twin bills S 89 and HR 163, "in order to staff up for a protracted war on terrorism," writes Adam Stutz, from Project Censored. Meanwhile, the Selective Service System has received an extra $28 million in funds for this year's budget to fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide and put "troops on the ground in 85% of all American high schools to make sure no one between 18-25 years old slips through the cracks. Schools cannot very easily claim conscientious objector status, by the way. "Buried deep in the 670 pages of the No Child Left Behind Act there is a provision which requires that public high schools give military recruiters access to facilities and also contact information for every student -- or else face a cutoff of federal aid," writes Connor Freff Cochran of AlterNet.



More than 30 years after the last young man was sent off to Vietnam to be slaughtered in a war ultimately so unpopular that many Americans believe the selective service will never again rear its ugly head, the Bush administration's motives for reinstating the draft are clear (especially if the Pentagon unilaterally attacks a third country this fall before the election). Cochran writes: "Twenty-one of the US Army's 33 regular combat brigades are now on active duty in the 'hot' zones of Iraq, Afghanistan, South Korea, and the Balkans. That's 63 percent of the Army's fighting force. This is a huge overextension. History has proven that long-term military operations can only be sustained if you have twice as many soldiers waiting in the pipeline as are stationed out in the field. By that rule of thumb, the regular military is now 125,000 soldiers short."



And "draft dodging" would not be as easy as it was during the Vietnam Conflict, since attending college, being female, or fleeing to Canada could not be used as shelters this time around. Stutz writes, "underclassmen would only be able to postpone service until the end of their current semester. Seniors would have until the end of the academic year." Meanwhile, shortly after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, "Canada and the U.S. signed a 'Smart Border Declaration,' which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in ." Hold your boys close, mommas. If Bush wins in November, they could be trading their high school diplomas in for dog tags.
-- Jacob Wheeler



Go there>> US Preparing for Military Draft in Spring 2005



Go there too>> Beware Attempts to Revive Military Draft



Go there too>> The Coming Draft

[Hobarticus]

21. Sorry, my heart's been bled dry...

Not to gloat, but it's gonna be hard to find any empathy for the 50-some million Bush voters who will either see their own kids, grandkids, or know someone else's kid getting shipped off.

Thanks for the link!

[GregD]

2. You mean duh prretzeldent lied to us agin?

[zbdent]

4. It will be like the Osama "doesn't really concern me" quote

He will lie: "I never said that!" MSM laps up the excretion like it was vanilla ice cream . . .

[LiberalinNC]

5. The "twins" should be the first to be drafted!

Then Cheney's kids, etc., etc....

[blm]

6. The press KNEW THIS and kept their mouths shut when Bush LIED about it

on the campaign trail, declaring there would be NO draft.

Fucking press whores.

[nostamj]

7. DRAFT YOUNG REPUBLICANS!!!

I hear (heard?) ya!

[Sir Jeffrey]

8. Isn't this just another rumor on the "internets"?

The clues are there if you are paying attention. Most people don't have the time to scour the Federal Register for clues.

I think the draft is real and it is coming soon. But I think there is another approach to military service. If ** wrecks the economy for the "plebes" then the only choice they have will be starvation, sell drugs or go into the service.

We will probably see another LIHOP terrorist attack to justify further action. I expect it will happen around the start of spring. When people don't sign up as they expected would happen after 9/11, then the draft will come.

BTW I am just guessing in case any homeland security people are monitoring this :)

[ck4829]

20. I always hear the same thing when it comes to the new draft

I always hear it will be reinstated in late spring or early summer of 2005. I am starting to think this isn't a joke anymore.

[Sir Jeffrey]

27. I am not joking one bit, but I am just speculating...

Rumors are rumors, and I dare say that few know for sure whether or not there will be one. However, I will be attending law school this fall, so I know my way around the massive amount of information released by our government. One thing that has scared me the most is this:

http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/06jun20041800/edocket.access.gpo.gov/2004/04-24634.htm

This is a direct link to the Federal Register. For a detailed analysis check this out:

http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=395

Also, I have personally been frightened by the prospect when I went to renew my driver's license. This is anecdotal, but actually happened to me this past summer. I am 26 years old. I registered for SS in 1996, the same year I turned 18. My license was set to expire, so I went to have it renewed the Friday before my birthday. I was told that I needed to register for SS. I told her I had already registered. She told me that under the new Homeland Security rules I had to re-register. I thought to myself, "Re-register? What the f---?" I was literally two days away from turning 26 and already registered. I had my license renewed after I turned 21 and didn't have to re-register. And I have been filling out FAFSA information for years, so they have my name already. Scary stuff...

[s-cubed]

9. And the SS official just "dropped in" on the Church of the Brethern

to talk to them about alternative service.
What a crock.

[adigal]

10. No No No No No

There will be no draft because the people of this country will not tolerate a draft, especially for the lies of this administration. Virtually every young person I ask tells me there is NO WAY they are going to be drafted. What is going to happen then??? Will a million young people be put into jail?

It is political suicide to institute a draft when 56% of your country is against the war. Even if there is another terrorist attack, enough people are skeptical of this admin to wonder if it was real.

[Al-CIAda]

14. Well...

"There will be no draft because the people of this country will not tolerate a draft"


...unless there is another 'terrorist' attack...

[seabeyond]

11. my boys are safe, 9 and 7

and i will be able to go around to all those with kids being drafted, empathitic, and those friends that have boys my boys age who voted bush,........will get the eye. and arent you the lucky one your kids arent going in. you did this to these people. and....i told you that is one of the things you were going to be doing with the vote for bush

so, bring it on

and all those opposing war, personally if i couldnt get boys out of the country i would strongly encourage the boys to the point of demanding, they go to jail instead

[ElsewheresDaughter]

12. safe? i heard Newt say yesterday that this could be a 30-70 yearlong war

no one's children are safe...and Aberdeen seeking Selective Service board

membershttp://www.aberdeennews.com/mld/aberdeennews/news/10625...

The Selective Service System is looking for men and women to serve as members of local boards that are currently in a standby mode. A prospective member must be a United States citizen, at least 18 years old, registered with the Selective Service (if male), not employed in law enforcement, not an active or retired Armed Forces member and not convicted in any criminal offense. snip

"Local board members are uncompensated volunteers who play an important community role closely connected with our nation's defense," says a news release.

If a military draft becomes necessary, approximately 2,000 local and appeal boards throughout the nation would decide which young men in each community receive deferments, postponements or exemptions from military service, based on federal guidelines and community standards.

Anyone interested should contact Sonny Magnuson at [phone] or Wayne Asscherick at [phone] or visit www.sss.gov and click on "Board Member Application."

[seabeyond]

25. just shy of a decade to figure out what to do

i will take that decade. better than having a 17 year old

[woodsprite]

18. Not just boys, but girls too. n/t

[seabeyond]

26. you think

that would piss a lot of conservative off. they just think that is wrong. i always bring that up gotta take the girls too, whenever i am in debate with them about war and draft. pisses em off.

[Bethany Rockafella]

13. Am I being mean if I say I'm glad there will be a draft? (if there is one)

I'd kind of like to see that. Especially reactions from repukes with draft age kids. Of course, I wouldn't want the Democratic families to go thru this.

[American Tragedy]

15. No way. I DO NOT believe it.

As I've said before, I can't imagine that conscription will be reinstated again in the foreseeable future. I would love it if they would, though, because it would be the beginning of the end.

The social and political ramifications would be catastrophic. The administration benefits immensely from being able to cloak the price of war in the volunteer military. Right now, the invasion and occupation of Iraq is still just a television drama. If that were to change, the attitudes of most Americans would completely turn around. They know it, too.

Nevertheless, my parents, old hippies who are still justifiably scarred by their experiences in that era, have prepared for this contingency for the past twenty years. If it's clear that it's gonna happen, I get a one-way ticket across the Atlantic. But so far, I've seen no truly compelling evidence.

[Been Fishing]

16. But guess what.

It is going to be just last the last draft, the poor and minorities are going first. The rich kids will get deferments.

Dick Cheney got his. Georgie didn't complete his Guard duty.

[sarcasmo]

17. Bush lies, Bush lies, Bush lies, Bush lies, Bush lies

Remember in the one debate he was asked if there would be a draft. Chimpy says no draft, but I'M the President now so who cares about you let the draft begin. Republican voters, all 53 million of them idiots should be sent first.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

19. today: Aberdeen seeking Selective Service board members

Aberdeen seeking Selective Service board members

http://www.aberdeennews.com/mld/aberdeennews/news/10625...

The Selective Service System is looking for men and women to serve as members of local boards that are currently in a standby mode. A prospective member must be a United States citizen, at least 18 years old, registered with the Selective Service (if male), not employed in law enforcement, not an active or retired Armed Forces member and not convicted in any criminal offense. snip

"Local board members are uncompensated volunteers who play an important community role closely connected with our nation's defense," says a news release.

If a military draft becomes necessary, approximately 2,000 local and appeal boards throughout the nation would decide which young men in each community receive deferments, postponements or exemptions from military service, based on federal guidelines and community standards.

Anyone interested should contact Sonny Magnuson at [phone] or Wayne Asscherick at [phone] or visit www.sss.gov and click on "Board Member Application."

[candy331]

23. Has the Bush voters heard this yet? How soon to realize that you have been

had/maybe they already knew but just didnt care since they thought it would not affect them as long as their moral values were intact. sarcam)

[LynnTheDem]

22. 2 choices; cut & run...or DRAFT.

Remember when bush said "If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road."

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/debates/transcripts/u221003.html

And then bush said:

"We will be changing the regime of Iraq, for the good of the Iraqi people."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030306-8.html

Well GUESS WHAT...bush was right the first time:

Former US govt foreign policy officials say we need 500,000 troops, $500 billion, and the DRAFT.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A54680-2005Jan6.html

Gen. Tommy R. Franks, who commanded the invasion of Iraq, said on the NBC News program "Today" on Dec. 9:

"One has to think about the numbers. I think we will be engaged with our military in Iraq for, perhaps, 3, 5, perhaps 10 years."

http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/news/nation/10608387.htm

And tons more draft-talk:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1470180

OF COURSE there's going to be a DRAFT. Hell, even FRIST is seeing the light of the oncoming train;

Republican Leader Frist Says U.S. Forces Stretched Thin in Iraq
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=a4pJKSZglPFw&refer=us

[King Coal]

24. If they have a draft with no lottery, we will have to take to the streets.

Big Time.