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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:24 PM
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Do you believe there may be posters PAID by our neoCONimperialists to,...
,...skew/divert/divide us?

I wonder.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:25 PM
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1. Yes and I work cheap.
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Wat_Tyler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:25 PM
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2. No need - we aren't so important we need paid disruption.
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:27 PM
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3. No it's true.
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 07:29 PM by Sterling
This board is more powerful than you seem to understand. Idea's and people who pay attention and discuss news and government dealings are dangerous these days.

I am sure there are more paid DNC DLC party hacks here than neo cons but the neo cons pay attention to what we discuss that is for sure.
By the way how did you get that name? I registered it here a year or two ago and stopped using it. lol.
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Wat_Tyler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:29 PM
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7. Yeah - it seems a couple of people have mentioned using it.
But DU is not that important. We should have a realistic idea of who and what we are - we're no threat to the White House.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:38 PM
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11. Sure. We're not impactful, at all,...that's the answer!!!!
We're no threat whatsoever to pathological liars.

We're worthless, nothing,...just a buncha' "P.J.s" online.

No smarts. No worldliness. No human worth in the spectrum of neoCONimperialists.

We're definitely not worth any kind of defense by a determined propaganda machine.

NO WAY.

Not DU.
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Wat_Tyler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:40 PM
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13. There's no point in getting melodramatic about it.
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 07:40 PM by Wat_Tyler
We all want to pretend we're Bernstein and Woodward, slowly bringing down a President, but the truth is we're just one of many internet message boards. What's wrong with that?
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:52 PM
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20. *LOL*,...okey dokey,...I'll definitely avoid "melodrama" *LOL*! n/t
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 07:53 PM by Just Me
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:20 PM
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26. many INTERNET message boards
Not like this. Not with as active a community, at least a progressive community.

"We all want to pretend we're Bernstein and Woodward"
At this point we are much better than both those douche bags who carry water for the BFEE.

It's funny you admire Wat who almost took out the king in the blink of an eye against huge odds yet you really underestimate the power of a huge group of political savvy and active people in helping develop and spread ideas and information.
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Wat_Tyler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:36 PM
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32. Realism, I guess.
We have very little real power.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:25 PM
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29. There is a distinction between being humble and being aware,...
,...of one's impact upon others.

There is no melodrama about that distinction.
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:44 PM
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16. Since I have been here I have seen DU break a lot of stories
And raise awareness about a lot of things that have made the neo cons PNACers look bad. Hell the "discovery" of PNAC happened here as did the development of the pet goat story.


Don't undersell what DU is doing. Maybe you have not seen it but trust me this community is huge and very valuable in terms of finding and "spinning" and spreading news and information.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:27 PM
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4. That would certainly explain the tsunami conspiracy theorists
It's hard to look any kookier than THAT.
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JohnOneillsMemory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:06 PM
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41. That was ugly and not as 'wacky' as Fox played it. Maybe I didn't see it.
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 09:09 PM by JohnOneillsMemory
This website is part of the info-wars going on out in the 'real' world of propaganda and efforts to disclose hidden crimes.

There are certainly disruptors, spys, disinformation, distraction, confusion sowed intentionally, intentionally discrediting posts, etc.

(Maybe I didn't even see the thread that caused all the hoopla and
I sure don't want to stir up that old tsunami ruckus BUT-)
From what I remember before the thread(s?) got scrubbed, there were du-ers posting info about oil drilling trade journals that have aknowledged that man-made activities like pumping water into a region to displace oil have caused tectonic activity in other areas as a surprising result.

That is not kooky even if Fox News wants to inflate it into a propaganda smear.
However, saying W caused a Richter 9 earthquake would be kooky.

Is this what was posted? Maybe in juxtaposition with the outrage over the US military being notified at Diego Garcia Naval Base but not the countries who were devastated SEEMED like an accusation of causation leveled against the neo-cons and that would be way out of line with reason and being scoffed at wouldn't do DU or the world any good.

Anyway...I could be talkin' out my butt here...Maybe there was much more wild claims that I didn't see and the above is moot.

One of the best things about DU is the way people can empty their intellectual pockets out for everyone to see and pick through to see if there is anything valuable to enlighten us, kind of an open research project. Being smeared and discredited by Fox is a drag and can prevent DU from being effective in applying collective intelligence to the general public by chilling the environment.

While a reminder to not leave DU open to ridicule is probably a good thing as it becomes more of a prominent competition for the mainstream media, I'm concerned that if DU runs away from the words 'conspiracy theory' without fighting back with good information/explanations the way Dems ran away from the word 'liberal', we are most definitely fucked.

And then Tom Delay's smear about the "X-Files Wing of the Democratic Party" will work against our efforts to unmask these criminals in our White House. And the terrorists will have won.


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Nadienne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:47 PM
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18. I disagree.
Public opinion is a powerful thing. It wouldn't at all surprise me if propagandists - even paid propagandists - posted here trying to affect our opinions.
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CornField Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:28 PM
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5. I know this has been the case in the past
Not necessarily this particular site, but on the 'internets' in general people have been paid by the republican party to promote the party line and disrupt established groups.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:29 PM
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6. Even if there were paid disruptors --
-- their arguments would have to eclipse ours.

Plus, their guy cheated to win -- twice.

I like our chances in the debate forum.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:40 PM
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15. Yeah, BUT,...that would be I-L-L-E-G-A-L!!!! Yes?
And evidence of a psy-ops campaign by our own neoCONimperialist RULE?

BAD, BAD, BAD!!!!

Democracies don't allow that kind of government manipulation.
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Nadienne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:51 PM
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19. Illegal or not,
who's contesting Bush's presidency? Our democracy seems to be becoming a sham...
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:00 PM
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21. Why limit yourself to that?
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 08:01 PM by Just Me
Nixon's regime was a buncha' sweethearts compared to this regime (which is precisely WHY the neoCONimperialists are MORE SECRETIVE AND TIGHTLY WOVEN AROUND "LOYALTY" OVER PRINCIPLES than the Nixon regime ever imagined).

If these "rulers" prove a pattern of deception, in breach of their sworn oaths to uphold the Constitution and protect our people (rather than take advantage of public lives and treasure),...they are guilty of treason,...and subject to serious criminal proceedings which their political positions will not shield!!!

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Nadienne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:05 PM
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23. True enough!
I would like the current PTB on trial for treason. But I'm not holding my breath...
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:00 PM
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22. I'll still take a clear, reasoned voice over the betrayal --
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 08:01 PM by Old Crusoe
-- of that democracy.

Senator Byrd's principled oratory against Bush's Iraq war, for instance. It just gleams.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:30 PM
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8. Most certainly, dirty trickster neo-con lackeys lurking all over DU
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:30 PM
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9. Absolutely. When someone is on and posting for more than 24 hours
straight, as was noted by Kos, there just might be a team involved.

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:23 PM
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27. Ok, but don't forget that for some who are handicapped --
-- long hours on the web are a much-needed access to the world.

Not everyone can drive or get about, etc.
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:56 PM
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39. Some of us are also spending our breaks on DU...
The holiday break, for example, ends tonight for me. I will be posting much less in the coming months, although classes don't really get rolling for a couple of weeks.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:31 PM
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10. Yes, I do.
I think it happens a lot.
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bobweaver Donating Member (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:39 PM
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12. Yes, but who cares. We are smart enough to ignore their crap.
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Ironpost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:40 PM
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14. Most likely all three
At this point they ("*") have no other choice. Now they are selling us a bag of sh*t on Social Security. Alarmed I must say, I am.
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:45 PM
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17. I wouldn't doubt it at all... maybe not paid tho. n/t
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VioletLake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:13 PM
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24. Absolutely.
Paid and unpaid.

At least a few of the freepers who post here terrorized Abuzz.com until the NYT pulled the plug.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:16 PM
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25. Nice work if you can get it
You mean I could get PAID to call Cheney an evil lizard from another planet and Bush not fit to be slime under my shoes?

Or paid to diss Kerry non-stop? Nah...that's taken care of by the ever bitter eat your own Lefties that blame Kerry first and Bush second.
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:24 PM
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28. Yeah Kerry is above reproach.
And gave us a lot to be proud of. :eyes:
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:28 PM
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30. Interesting reply,...to this topic *smile* n/t
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:34 PM
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31. Would DU be mentioned anywhere if...
there wasn't just a bit of impact? This site could grow to 100K or more with advertisement. It has grown quite a bit in the last year. Paid trolls? Probably not yet but plenty of non-paid ones show up.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:40 PM
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33. That they do, but they usually don't last for long.
:D
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Wat_Tyler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:49 PM
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35. But there aren't 60,000 of us.
I'm guessing the membership, without lapsed posters, sockpuppets and tombstonees comes in at around 20,000.
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:46 PM
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34. No,
you give them WAY too much credit.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

The taste of Republican butt does not improve with age.

"The NeoCons can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They do not feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And they absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:50 PM
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36. Of course. For moonies it is part of fulfilling their mission.
They work boards like this as part of their tithe to RevMoon.

For operatives, I am sure they get paid handsomely.

For nutcases like the freepers, they get the joy of knowing they are helping to deliver this nation to the fascists who they adore. They WANT a Bush royal family, so they won't have to THINK about how hard it is to preserve a democracy.
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:52 PM
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37. YES! it's apparent from the change in TONE here....and, after all
the computers and bush* young brownshirts recruited for the re-selection.....I'm CERTAIN all that is being put to real good use here at DU....


bush* pays for mainstream news...OF COURSE, bush* pays for the internet news too....read about how bush* destroyed CBS...a BIG PART of that was the internet.....


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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:53 PM
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38. Paid posters? Those who are the most irritating...are the ones who
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 08:54 PM by higher class
descend within minutes...like vultures...when certain things happen. (I first noticed it with the crash of the Wellstone aircraft.)

Maybe they are not freepers. May they are operatives. Maybe there isn't a difference.

They dis-inform.
They deny.
They deflect.
They ridicule.
They personally insult or character assassinate.
They naysay postings in a manner similar to O'Reilly or Barnes.
They try to terminate analysis and speculation, in particular.
If countered, they sometimes offer so-called radical explanations with an air of superiority. They don't often supply links and when they do, the links are mainstream or have government or corporate origins.
They work in teams - they support each other. They reappear with different names and sometimes with high post numbers. They acknowledge each other with jokes or a pretense of authority.

Just my observation.
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:03 PM
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40. they definitely work in TEAMS....just look at any 'sensitive subject'
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 09:08 PM by diamond14


that comes up....for example: the word CUBA...and always, you'll get this TEAM...interchanging with each other...'oh, what a great idea', 'yes, I totally agree', 'only idiots would think otherwise'...and then the usual: 'don't ban me, BUT...', 'I support Kerry, BUT..." "I'm not a bush* supporter, BUT..."



same thing happens if you question the Iraq war, or bush*.....

a TEAM comes forward...they interchange and degrade REAL DUers...they slam the rational people, until most either leave it alone or accept the viewpoints of the bush* paid posters...


IMO, the presence of bush* paid posters has really degraded the dialong here on DU....I couldn't even look at DU for a whole month before the re-selection of the boy-king....

and now, without Khephra, there's a whole new level of JERKS here...
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eek MD Donating Member (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:09 PM
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42. Yahoo
I'd swear that the yahoo message boards have paid people posting on them......Just an impression that those boards make on me....i dunno
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:15 PM
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43. It takes dedication to make a point
I rather think it would be a wise policy for the democratic party to
offer "bonus" pay to people who they feel write well and seem to already
endorse their concerns. The problem as a writer, is ghost writing
a POV that is not sincere... it comes across inevitably... not in
the single line responses, but in the more thoughtful replies.

How do you make republican speak a natural impulse to write thousands
of lines of work and then make a republican point, to plant an idea
to the unsuspecting. To work your way in politically means not
presenting the republican point, and ye'd be fired for that... as
shallow as they are. I've been deemed a freeper for endorsing tax
reform and a progressive sales tax, but this is not republican views
that i'm expressing, merely mine own.

Gosh, wouldn't it be nice to be paid to spend the long hours it takes
to write DU properly.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:36 PM
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44. Locking......
If you feel that someone is a disruptor,
please use the alert feature so that the
moderators can evaluate the situation.


DU Moderator
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