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kuozzman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:12 PM
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Newt: "This could be a 30-70 year war"
Just said it on FOX.

I'll answer this question before it's asked:

"Why are you watching FAUX?"

I'm occasionally watch FOX or other corporate media networks b/c I like to know what kind of crap they are saying that a lot of my family/friends listen to, so I can tell them how absurd it is.
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rkc3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:14 PM
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1. Looks like my son will know all the words to "Oh, Canada!"
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SmartBomb Donating Member (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 05:04 PM
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31. Hmm... Maybe this is why they're trying to bankrupt the country
so nobody can afford to take their kids (fodder) out of the country.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:14 PM
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2. perfect.
exaggerate it so bad that when it comes back to being "only" 4 or 5 more years, it won't feel so bad.

This happened to me once when I was a forklift driver, I backed into and knocked over $300 worth of covers and casings. When my Japanese boss wrote a note to the day supervisor, he said I totaled $3000 worth of them. When my boss found out the real total, he was so relieved he wasn't even mad at me.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:15 PM
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4. He's not kidding
The neo-cons have been talking about a 50 years war for a long time. They started this talk way before the Towers came down, BTW.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:23 PM
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13. are you suggesting Newt Gingrich actually told the truth about something?
No way.

If they really were planning this, they certainly wouldn't be talking about it out loud.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:32 PM
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17. makes me nervous--what is the REAL agenda here?
becasue I know they only lie, so...??
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:33 PM
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20. You're right, it's probably more like 150-200 years
We've gotta have a Bush dynasty, you know.
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 05:15 PM
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35. I wonder
1,300,000,000 Chinese people all wishing for better living through earth's natural resources.

300,000,000 Americans all hoping to maintain better living through earth's natural resources.

I am an old man I do not expect to see the end of this but I bet it will not be a hundred years. Much less I am thinking.

180
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:34 PM
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21. they have been talking about it, writing papers about it, all in the open
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:40 PM
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26. that's different than selling it to the public at large.
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 04:40 PM by jdj
I stand by my original assertion.

The only reason they are saying this crap out loud now is that they thought Kerry would win, but Bush was able to swindle his way back into the white house and now this rests squarely on his shoulders.

They know we won't get out for at least 3 or 4 years and are looking for a way to make this look better than it should. Strategy is one thing, and spin is another; strategy is the secret plan and spin is what they use in public to sell the secret plan.

There is no way they would be transparent about any real plans they may have.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:06 PM
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40. They have been saying it all along
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 07:07 PM by Stephanie


The neo-cons won. Powell is out. Uncooperative CIA people are out. State is being purged. Wolfowitz announces he's staying. The neo-cons are in charge, and they have been saying all along that it will be a 50-years war. They have no intention of stopping with Iraq.

_____________________________________

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/04/03/sprj.irq.woolsey.world... /

Ex-CIA director: U.S. faces 'World War IV'
From Charles Feldman and Stan Wilson
CNN
Thursday, April 3, 2003 Posted: 5:02 PM EST (2202 GMT)

LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- Former CIA Director James Woolsey said Wednesday the United States is engaged in World War IV, and that it could continue for years.

In the address to a group of college students, Woolsey described the Cold War as the third world war and said "This fourth world war, I think, will last considerably longer than either World Wars I or II did for us. Hopefully not the full four-plus decades of the Cold War."

Woolsey has been named in news reports as a possible candidate for a key position in the reconstruction of a postwar Iraq.

He said the new war is actually against three enemies: the religious rulers of Iran, the "fascists" of Iraq and Syria, and Islamic extremists like al Qaeda.

_____________________________________

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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:27 PM
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43. Um google PNAC.
Then readjust to the real world, it's a trip.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:33 PM
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45. Looks like the Dept of Low Expectations has a new Director!
I swear, Cmdr Bunnypants must put these yahoos up for this schtick so he can sort out who would make the best Secretary of Disinformation and Low Expectations.
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:15 PM
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3. What war, the war between the parties or the war on terror? Or Iraq?
If its the "war on terror" that could make it hard for him to reach his stated goal of a hypothetical presidential run: winning the war on terror.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:23 PM
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14. Or how about the War on Drugs?
That's already over 30 years old, so 30-70 sounds like a good guess before we finally throw in the towel and decriminalize or legalize.
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:36 PM
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22. Oh yeah, he didn't say that we'd "WIN"...
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 04:36 PM by DireStrike
I guess I'd have to add the war on drugs to that column.
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:16 PM
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5. newt is an adulterous hypocrite
never forget that-he has zero credibility
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:16 PM
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6. he wishes (eom)
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:16 PM
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7. more than enough time to totally destroy the government
taxes pay for war and nothing else PERIOD

(all according to plan)
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:16 PM
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8. a 30-year cash cow for the M.I.C.
would be more accurate

:puke:
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gnofg Donating Member (502 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:17 PM
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9. we're never leaving-n/t
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:19 PM
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10. at some point, even the dumbest of the dumb have to wake up
A 70 year war. RIGHT!

I really, really, really hope Newtie follows through on his thought about running in '08.

Oh...and if your trolling here Newt, make Alan Keyes your running mate. Please?

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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:21 PM
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11. In response to all the what war posts... the war to "own" the planet.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:30 PM
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15. the wicked peasants of Asia and South America are rebelling against their
appointed place in the glorious world plantation and are forming alliances against Thatcherite neocolonialism.
They must be crushed!
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:22 PM
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12. They are using 1984 as their playbook?
With whom are we/they at war -- I don't have any enemies.
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purduejake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:32 PM
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16. The one superpower left...
can't take over a small country that has been under sanctions for a decade in under 30 years. WTF.
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:33 PM
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19. How long does is take to loot Iraq's oil -- 30-70 years?
Even if all the Iraqis bowed down to King George -- I doubt that would make a difference -- Georgie Porgy didn't have peace plans for Iraq nor did he envision an ending because he has no intention of leaving Iraq ever and the children today will be fighting tomorrow -- that is if he allows them to live.

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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:36 PM
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24. newt wants to be president so he's got to undermine jeb. what
better way than to whip up anti-war feeling against bush that will translate to his brother?
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 05:16 PM
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36. *ding* you win
Republican Primary 2008.

I smell something.
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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:36 PM
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23. Nope, not if they lose in the second American Revolution...
Then the Red State whackjobs will have to crawl back to their holes, from whence they came... :)

Lori Price
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4MoreYearsOfHell Donating Member (943 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:37 PM
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25. How can it be a long war
with the rapture just around the corner? Man, these republicans sure are a confusing bunch...

I think I'll go listen to my "Songs in the Key of W" CD again, just to be reassured by GWB's overwhelmingly lack of interest in the proper use of the English...

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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:42 PM
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27. Thanks for the Ammo Newt
see you in the primaries!
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:46 PM
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28. So what did Zell have to say about Newt's plan?
I'm sure he's just fine with whatever Newt had to say, being that he's such a fine representative for the Democrats and all.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:50 PM
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29. If this is a 30-70 year war, the republican party is history.
People won't stand for 30-70 years of a reprise of Vietnam.
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eek MD Donating Member (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:35 PM
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41. Completely agree
There's no way they could keep the pro-war fervor at it's current pitch for 30 years.....even with fascist gestapo tactics.... :)
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SmartBomb Donating Member (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 04:57 PM
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30. It's because the war is not, and never was, about terror
It's about reshaping the world in our image. Luckily, the terror rationale will continue to work perfectly for them. Each brick they lay in their imperialist superhighway will most certainly be met with resistance. As per US propaganda, resistance = terror. So, we will continue to find and kill terrorists for the next 30-70 years. Truth is, most the resistance won't be of the shadowy Al Queda type, it will be indigenous peoples fighting to protect their way of life from the US. The American people don't need to know those details though.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 06:39 PM
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37. The "war" is about taking out countries, and has little to do with
concentrating on actual terrorists. In fact, it is designed to create more hatred and terrorism so that the playing field can be increased to include the entire earth.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 05:06 PM
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32. Why do I have the feeling that Newt isn't full of crap about this?
That he may, in fact, be right?
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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 05:08 PM
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33. If we can't get a voting system where we're sure our votes are counted,
then there's every possibility a sewer like Gingrich could end up in the White House.
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Tace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 05:09 PM
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34. A War Like That Likely Would Leave The Earth Covered In Glass
With nothing alive but mutant cockroaches.

These guys are insane.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:06 PM
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39. Agreed on all points
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Save our country one town, county, and state at a time!
http://timeforachange.bluelemur.com/electionreform.htm#...
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:02 PM
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38. Lot Of Oil Reserves In The Middle-East, Gonna Take A While
It's hard work.

And thank you for your service (the Faux duty, that is).

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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:57 PM
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42. It would be a FOREVER war; there are NOT a finite number of "terrorists"
Every time we kill an innocent man, woman, child, baby, we CREATE MORE "terrorists".

bushCartel & the rightwingnuts need to GET OVER THEIR PRE-911 MINDSET.
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captainslack Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:29 PM
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44. Why....
doesn't he just explode already?!?!?! :nuke:
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:25 PM
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51. Welcome.
Welcome to DU, captainslack.
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:34 PM
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46. They're turning on themselves...
So much for GOP solidarity.

I think this is just the first crack in the foundation.
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poe Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:49 PM
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47. wars all 'round
now the us of A has been bombing mesopotamia for 13 straight years so does that mean only 17 to 47 years left. just doin' a lil' math. before that the brits (lord curzon and gang) had been beatin' and occupying the cradle of civilisation, since the mid 1920's. so does that mean the war has actually been over for a decade or more? just doin' a lil' history.
in the congo at least 4 million have died for western interests, need that coltan for our cell phones and satellite dishes, in just the last 8 years. is that war still in it's infancy newt?
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:52 PM
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48. Iraq? Terror? What? (nt)
nt
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 05:06 AM
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53. No silly... it's the war to
create terror....



http://www.dtc.army.mil/tts/1997/proceed/abarnes /
Test Technology Symposium '97
"The Army After Next How Will We Test?"
WEATHER MODIFICATION

Dr. Arnold Barnes
Phillips Lab/GPO
Hanscom Air Force Base, MA

Abstract - Compressed Power Point File (729 Kb)
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:53 PM
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49. Screw Newt and fuck FAUX
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:00 PM
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50. I think it's oil, too
I NEVER thought we went after other countries for oil and I never understood those signs that said, "No blood for oil." But this time, I think I was wrong. Especially since I have been hearing over and over about China, and how in the near future they are going to be our main competition for oil and energy sources.

Easier to invade Iraq than promote solar and wind power and it makes the Saudis and our friends at Halliburton happy too.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:55 PM
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52. Cheney said this many times and the foolish Republicans and
the extrordinarily DUMB Fundies voted for him anyway.
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