Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

A thought about abolishing the electoral college

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU
 
More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:21 PM
Original message
A thought about abolishing the electoral college
Would abolishing it hurt grassroots organizing? As it stands now, the nation is divided up into precincts, counties, etc that make it easier to set a goal of say, carrying a county for Kerry, or something like that. That goal is something one person can feel is manageable. If the president were decided by popular vote, who at the bottom could see the results of their activism? I know that there are other methods (splitting electoral votes based on disticts, as in Main and Nebraska) but straight up abolishing the EC is one that always seems to be brought up in the mainstream.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:26 PM
Response to Original message
1. I'm for removal of the EC
Seems to me we would have a better chance of controling special interests if they couldn't target one State.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:26 PM
Response to Original message
2. You can read some thoughts about the EC on my site

----------------------------------------------------------
Save our country one town, county, and state at a time!
http://timeforachange.bluelemur.com/electionreform.htm#...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:27 PM
Response to Original message
3. Don't Think So
Universal election would cut the ability to segment the country and cut the power of big donors to swamp local politics. Imagine one well-defined way to vote across the nation, one day holiday, mail-in balloting, so much that can be fixed by changes that have stood the test of time...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:29 PM
Response to Original message
4. what's worse than seeing your precinct come out for your candidate,
then watch your candidate lose the electoral votes anyway? The grassroots goal is still the same--to get out the vote for your candidate.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Wisc Badger Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:34 PM
Response to Original message
5. The EC was intended to protect the smaller states
from being trampled over by the more populous of bigger states.

It did it's job very well in the last election (except for the outcome). Many small to medium states (WV or my state WI) were the key to the election (also throw in MN, IA, NM, CO, u get the idea).

Imagine if the only states that counted were NY or CA (now I know that some of you would like that since they are very blue, but how would you feel if they were red?) were the only ones that counted.

You would never see a candidate in Wisconsin or Iowa, they would only campaign in the large states.

The founding fathers got this one right, the EC is a valuable electoral institution that should not be messed with (besides you would never get the required constitutional amendment abolishing to pass 37 states).

Instead the Dem's need to do what Dean says and compete and change minds/harts in all 50 states. :toast:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BBradley Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. You hardly ever see a candidate in Wisconsin or Iowa anyway.
The electoral college is weighted based on population anyway, so why not just go straight to the source and have the president be elected by the population. Same deal, no way for the minority to enforce it's will on the majority.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
forgethell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:47 PM
Response to Reply #7
9. Mainly weighted on population, but
the 2 electoral votes that every state gets because they have two Senators is not. That's how it helps to protect small, rurral states from large, urban ones.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BBradley Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:37 PM
Response to Original message
6. You can still have all the same statistics available.
You can still see who won in which district, which county, and which state. All abolishing the EC would do is prevent a minority of people from enforcing their will on the majority. The only office it would affect would be the presidency. Grass-roots campaigning would be unaffected. All states would still probably get as much attention payed to them as they are now. All arguments against abolishing the electoral college are moot. It's an antiquated system that is unnecessary in today's society.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:41 PM
Response to Original message
8. It should certainly be abolished.
Even without the electoral college we will still have various political boundries that organizers can use to set goals.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
idiosyncratic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 03:49 PM
Response to Original message
10. It should be abolished. The "Blue States" never got to see the
candidates. Without the EC, the candidates would be campaigning everywhere, to everyone.

On the local level voters would be choosing their local/regional/state candidates, but no one state should decide the Presidential election. Only the popular vote should decide the Presidential election.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #10
11. You got it!
I agree with your statement 100%. I live in CT and I hardly ever saw Kerry. If we did away with the EC he would of been here chomping at the bit.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tacos al Carbon Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 05:26 PM
Response to Original message
12. This is all interesting but it's just talk
There is no way for the electoral college to be eliminated short of a Constitutional Amendment and, as has already been pointed out, there is no way on earth such an amendment would have the support of the required number of states.

If you really want to think about Electoral college shenanigans, consider this: Part of the deal in making Texas a state was that it could, at any time, choose to divide into 5 separate states. That means that if they want to, Republicans can add at least 8 more safe electoral votes (for the 8 new senators) and 6-8 Republican Senators.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ChairOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 05:31 PM
Response to Original message
13. Is this a decent explanation of just *why* we have an electoral college?
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 05:33 PM by ChairOne
I've never been totally clear on the matter, and was just lookin around...

http://www.maitreg.com/politics/articles/electoralcolle...

EDIT: Hmmm... looking around the rest of the site, it's probably a *bad* explanation - lol - shoulda looked around before posting... In any case, could any of you point me to a *good* explanation of the rationale for its existence?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul 31st 2014, 06:51 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC