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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:32 AM
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But wait...there's more idiots in the VA legislature
Robert Marshall has introduced HB 1807 which reads in summary:

Providing birth control to minor in certain circumstances; penalty. Creates a Class 6 felony to provide a minor with a contraceptive or contraceptive device if the person knows or has reason to believe that the minor is engaging in sexual relations with a person three or more years older than the minor.

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HOUSE BILL NO. 1807
Offered January 12, 2005
Prefiled January 5, 2005
A BILL to amend the Code of Virginia by adding a section numbered 18.2-63.2, relating to providing birth control to minor in certain circumstances; penalty.
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Patrons-- Marshall, R.G. and Black
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Committee Referral Pending
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Be it enacted by the General Assembly of Virginia:

1. That the Code of Virginia is amended by adding a section numbered 18.2-63.2 as follows:

§ 18.2-63.2. Providing birth control to minor in certain circumstances; penalty.

If any person knows or has reason to believe that a minor is engaging in sexual relations with a person three years or more older than the minor and such person provides the minor with a contraceptive or contraceptive device, he shall be guilty of a Class 6 felony.

2. That the provisions of this act may result in a net increase in periods of imprisonment or commitment. Pursuant to § 30-19.1:4, the estimated amount of the necessary appropriation cannot be determined for periods of imprisonment in state adult correctional facilities and $0 for periods of commitment to the custody of the Department of Juvenile Justice.

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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:35 AM
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1. So now drugstores have to question teens about their sexual partners?
Just to sell them a rubber?
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:37 AM
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4. There is age test
to buy protection?

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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:35 AM
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2. that's right... have to keep those minors breeding
filling the world with dysfunctional children who will one day vote rethuglican. :eyes:
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MsConduct Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:42 AM
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6. Guess that's the plan, huh? Yikes! n/t
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Florida_Geek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:36 AM
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3. Duh where do they GET these crazy ideas
:wow:
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Gnaeus Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:41 AM
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5. Wow
this won't stop teens from going at it, it'll only raise the number of abortions. Talk about counterproductive.
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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:43 AM
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7. Here in Va....
we do little or nothing to protect the kids who are already here and tons to protect those that aren't
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MsConduct Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:44 AM
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8. I guess with bush and the fundies in power, they think they
have free reign over our uterus's and our bedrooms...Beam me up Scotty!
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:44 AM
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9. What's his email?
Let's Cosgrove him. Anyone have his address?

This is incredibly misguided.

If you know a person is guilty of statutory rape, it's okay to require you to inform the authorities - just like anyone who knows of a crime is supposed to inform the police.

Giving the minor contraceptives should not be a crime though, unless they want the teens (or younger!) to become pregnant.
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:47 AM
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11. Here you go.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:49 AM
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12. Thanks!
He wants to be my new pen pal. :)
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:45 AM
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10. And once again, they don't know what the cost is, how I love the "Fiscally
Responsible Party" </sarcasm>

That the provisions of this act may result in a net increase in periods of imprisonment or commitment. Pursuant to § 30-19.1:4, the estimated amount of the necessary appropriation cannot be determined for periods of imprisonment in state adult correctional facilities and $0 for periods of commitment to the custody of the Department of Juvenile Justice.

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ucmike Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 10:00 AM
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13. more of the same
making laws to protect kids from protection.

kids can't get rubbers, and christian pharmacists won't give birth control to adults.

yet these same folks don't want to pay for welfare babies.

the hypocrisy of the religous right in this country makes me ill.

i don't live in virginia but i will provide condoms to any teenager responsible enough to ask for them and also to any who need them but won't ask.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:47 PM
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14. I've sent my email
Dear Mr. Marshall,

Your recently introduced bill HB 1807 making it a felony to prevent minors from getting pregnant is long overdue (no pun intended). Young people who are victims of statutory rape get off (again, no pun intended) far too easily in this country. Teens and preteens need to learn to respect their elders, like the bible says, and quit trying to weasel out of getting pregnant if thats what their older partner has decided is best for them. They ought to be taught from a young age that the purpose of sex is procreation, and what better way to do that than to outlaw their access to birth control?

Some short-sighted people will probably suggest that a better option would be to require reporting suspected cases of statutory rape to child protection services. But that sends the wrong message. It tells people that the crime is the rape itself, when we all know the real goal is to make sure we dont prevent more teen pregnancies. Your law makes that distinction nicely.

I thought of a good analogy for this. Its like if someone steals my identity and forges a check, we should think about not focusing so much on the person who did that, but instead find out who gave them the pen. Thats the person who really enabled the whole situation, if you think about it.

You can use that analogy in a press release, if you want.

Also, if you want help writing a bill to make it a felony to give pens to criminals, Id be happy to help with that. And I promise to use a computer, not a pen!

When it comes to teen pregnancies, let's make the "write" choice!
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:58 PM
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15. Excellent!
Although I have a feeling these Pukes don't understand sarcasm. You'll probably get a "Thank you for your support and have a blessed day!" response.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 04:15 PM
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16. Sadly, I think you're right
Worse yet, they'll probably publish it as a letter of support, and someday I'll try to run for office, but my letter condoning teen pregnancy will be used against me.
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 04:18 PM
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17. Isn't this age discrimination?
"if the person knows or has reason to believe that the minor is engaging in sexual relations with a person three or more years older than the minor." What is that all about?

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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 05:31 PM
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18. I think it means this
It's cool to give condoms to a 14 year old sleeping with a 12 year old. But it's a felony to give condoms to a 20 year old sleeping with a 17 year old.
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