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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:52 AM
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Christian group threatens to SUE if crosses can't line inaugural route
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 08:11 AM by Bluebear
WASHINGTON - A conservative group is threatening to sue the Secret Service for religious discrimination over security guidelines that would ban Christian crosses from lining President Bush's inaugural parade route.

The Secret Service said Monday the guidelines were meant to prohibit large structures that could be used as weapons. Crosses were the only religious symbols on the list of banned items...

The directive also prohibited folding chairs, bicycles and other structures, and displays "such as puppets, papier mache objects, coffins, crates, crosses, theaters, cages and statues."

"The way it's written, it's an unequivocal ban on crosses," said the Rev. Patrick J. Mahoney of the Christian Defense Coalition. The group is seeking to have the prohibition overturned in federal court if the Secret Service fails to retract it.



EDIT FOR LINK:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050110/ap...
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roenyc Donating Member (824 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:53 AM
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1. talk about your frivolous law suit! Nt
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:55 AM
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2. they are bored and stupid.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:58 AM
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4. Do they want this to be like a scene from King of Kings?
Is this not getting be cultish behavior?
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 06:26 PM
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55. I wish!
If you know what I mean...
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WillowTree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 07:56 AM
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3. "Coffins"?
COFFINS??!!!!
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:01 AM
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5. Presumably to represent the war dead?
Sounds like an attempt to kill anti-BushCo protests has also killed pro-Kill For Christ BushCo supporters' plans.

Too bad.

So sad.

</sarcasm>
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:03 AM
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8. I say, let em hang crosses
Sure, let em hold or plant crosses on the route.

It can only make Bushco look sooo bad to the world.

Besides, I'm boycotting everything that day, including TV.

Sue
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neebob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:02 AM
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6. Yeah, coffins
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 08:04 AM by neebob
like the ones at the protest during the RNC in New York. Flag-draped caskets - one for each of the soldiers who had died at that point. Way more appropriate than crosses if you ask me. I'm wondering what kind of weirdos would like to see crosses along the route. Well, no I'm not.
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complain jane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:36 AM
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24. what could be more appropriate?
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:02 AM
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7. No CROSSES? Shit O Goodness, what's NEXT?
Will necklaces of garlic also be prohibited?

:evilgrin:
dbt
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:04 AM
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9. hehheh
No CROSSES? Shit O Goodness, what's NEXT?


Will necklaces of garlic also be prohibited?

-----

LOL. Good one!
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:08 AM
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12. Welcome to DU, ananda!
"Stick around while the clown who is sick
Does the trick of Disaster,"


Neil Young, "Mr. Soul"
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:50 AM
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33. Glad to have you here ananda!
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SheepyMcSheepster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:25 AM
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21. hehe
:silly:

no mirrors either!
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:05 AM
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10. that is one scary chick, Bluebear!
Egad! :scared:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:07 AM
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11. I know. I think she's praying to George to start that rapture thing.
If only I were kidding!
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da_chimperor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:10 AM
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14. I think that's the same look a suicide bomber has in their eyes
right before they push the button . . . :scared:
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da_chimperor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:10 AM
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13. What other religious symbol could they ban?
Okay, okay, you COULD club someone with a menorah . . . but who the hell would carry one around?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:13 AM
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16. Because you asked!
They are whining that crosses were specifically targeted. However, were it not for them wanting to line the parade route with them it probably wouldn't have been an issue.

"They are not banning large displays of the Star of David or Islamic symbols," Mahoney said. "The only resolution is that they would have to pull 'crosses' out. And they could easily protect religious freedom by saying, 'We ban all structures made of wood.'"
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da_chimperor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:17 AM
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18. Ohhhhh, so they were going to be large ones, like jesus-sized
Somehow I didn't get that part :silly:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:18 AM
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19. Yeah, picture the Passion of the Bush
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:31 AM
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39. Do you want to super-size that order
with a side of freedom nails?
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 05:12 PM
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48. These people are LOONS!
"They are not banning large displays of the Star of David or Islamic symbols," Mahoney said. When was the last time you EVER saw large displays of the Magen David or the Islamic Crescent at a parade?!?! That being said...look for them in this parade! I would not put it past these people to have some of their supports pull a "Parlock," then go to court saying..."see there were other religious icons, but no crosses...we are being persecuted!! Wahhh! Poor pitiful us!!" I say this with all love...FUCK THEM!
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:12 AM
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15. I say let them.
We need a postmodern Appian Way.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:15 AM
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17. mmm Appian Way
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Sin Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:23 AM
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20. Exactly
Now we only need to figure out how to get them to hang them selves on them.
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Nobody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:28 AM
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22. With or without a crucified victim?
Since torture is OK according to the Bush Regime.

This is getting waaaaaay too surreal.
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 06:02 PM
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52. I would suggest a crucified victim
If you'd like, we can begin compiling a list of people who'd we'd like to see exercise their "faith".

I can think of a few right off the top of my head:

  • Rush Limbaugh

  • Sean Hannity

  • Ann Coulter

  • Karl Rove



Damn, that was too much fun.
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drscm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:28 AM
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23. They may be fearful that someone may actually use it with their god...
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complain jane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:37 AM
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25. What about oil barrels, or life-sized posters of Fallujah rubble+families?
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neweurope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:51 AM
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29. I still envisage a procession of thousands of Abu Guraib-victims.... all
Edited on Tue Jan-11-05 08:52 AM by neweurope
clad in black with hoods and wires dangling, nobody speaking a word.... Unfortunately it's a little cold for bare legs...


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Remember Fallujah!

Bush to The Hague
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:42 AM
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26. Curiously, there is no ban on --
-- hula hoops.

Let the lawsuits fly.
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mark11727 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:46 AM
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27. Caption for the photo...

Ooooh! He's mah HERO...!"

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 12:56 AM
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34. Is she having the "vapors"?
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neweurope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 08:49 AM
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28. Let them have the crosses by all means. The pictures will be seen by
every person on the planet that owns a TV. I can hardly wait for it.

They have been pretty thorough though in limiting any demonstration... coffins, statues, papier mache objects (a lot of people have been assassinated with papier mache objects in the past as everybody knows), pretty much everything that might catch a cameraman's eye all forbidden.

And the look of the woman in the picture is REALLY scary. She looks EXACTLY like the females adoring Hitler. The very same look. Scary.


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Remember Fallujah!

Bush to The Hague
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:03 AM
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30. Of course, these people don't care what the planet thinks of us
As long as they get their 'rapture'. They truly feel that the 'Almighty' is speaking through the Sun King.
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neweurope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:08 AM
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31. Yes, I understand that it is really like this. But the world would be
united in derision and disgust... and some more people would awaken to what is going on in your country now. That would be good :)


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Remember Fallujah!

Bush to The Hague
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-11-05 09:13 AM
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32. Tchuss!
I do agree. Hopefully more people HERE will awaken to what is going on!
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 12:57 AM
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35. Don't they know they've been DECIEVED by the master they adore?
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:19 AM
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36. So are they gonna nail each other to the crosses? I smell Pay-per-view
:)

and will the really strong 'moran' be dragging the granite ten commandments thing (or is it still "on tour")..

will they be setting up sacrificial altars?? and drawing lots to see who's the sacrificer and whose the "lamb"??

Hell.. Murdoch could turn this into a "reality series"..
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:19 AM
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37. oopsie dupe-sie
Edited on Wed Jan-12-05 03:20 AM by SoCalDem
:)

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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 03:23 AM
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38. I wish they'd let 'em have their crosses.
Get it out in the open, as it were.
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AgadorSparticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 04:15 AM
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40. how appropriate, a line of crosses--so reminiscent of arlington cemetary.
a nice reminder of all the people he has killed.
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CrazyConspiracyGuy Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 04:23 AM
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41. crosses look too much like grave markers
People might get the wrong idea - a street lined with crosses might look like a graveyard of dead soldiers. Wouldn't be prudent.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 04:38 PM
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44. CCG welcome to DU!
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 04:33 AM
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42. Can't they just wear them around their necks?
Unless they want the crosses to be burning; that would be appropriate for Bushies inaugural.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 04:47 AM
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43. I hope they do.
After all, I am tired of Christians being persecuted in this country...

:puke: :puke:

Hey! Look! Bush hates Jesus!
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 04:43 PM
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45. they can wear a nice gold crucifix on a chain around their necks
if they want to have crosses at line the parade route.

However, if they can have crosses, they can have pentagrams, too... and Stars of David... and Buddha statues.

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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 04:50 PM
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46. So long as we can nail one fundie "minister" to each cross
I have no objection whatsoever to giving them that which they seek.

Come on: who among the left would be heartbroken to see them celebrate the re-installation of Our Great President (or whatever Bob Boudelang calls him) by crucifying a few fundamentalists. The fuckers wanna be persecuted? Fine. Let's show 'em what REAL persecution is!
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ldf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 04:53 PM
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47. we should have response teams of two for every cross
one to spray the cross with some type of flammable liquid.

the other to set it afire.

nothing could be more appropriate than the boy king's coronation parade turning into a long KKK rally.

:evilgrin:
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 05:14 PM
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49. If they can bring their crosses
I get to bring my holy-baseball-bat!
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5thGenDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 07:12 PM
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61. Yeah, it's not widely known that I'm a disciple of Metamorpho
The pagan god of Earth Biscuits. Can I bring a large rock or are those prohibited, too?
John
That's the problem with this country. Nobody respects religion any more.
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 05:36 PM
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50. Ok with me, as long as they wear their hoods and

use proper fire code gear when setting the crosses on fire.
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corksean Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 06:19 PM
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54. But they'd need to find a responsible adult to light the matches.
Edited on Wed Jan-12-05 06:20 PM by corksean
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 07:02 PM
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59. They'll light 'em themselves

Sociopaths do start with arson as kids, and torturing small animals, after all.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 05:59 PM
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51. they will just have to make crosses from toliet paper cardboard rolls
or paper towel rolls, like everyone else or craft foam.



Let them see that their god like leader is really a paranoid fascist at heart because that ruling cannot be overturned.

If they, by some chance, do have it overturned, then I suggest that puppets mimicking Jesus be allowed. I suggest that wooden pentagrams be allowed. I suggest that any wooden symbol of any belief be allowed.

That is the only way to fight the "persecution" mind set here and the one which tacitly says that Christians, being the majority, can tyrannize the minority and have that tyranny sanctified by changing the rules to allow it and no other.

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GreenPoet64 Donating Member (897 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 06:09 PM
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53. Forget crosses, they can wave palm fronds & put * on a donkey . . .
Edited on Wed Jan-12-05 06:11 PM by GreenPoet64
and genuflect in unison. :toast:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 01:46 AM
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62. Oh PLEASE don't give them any ideas!
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 06:31 PM
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56. That picture in the intro brought this to my mind




That picture of that woman in the intro, in apparent ecstasy reminds me of Bernini's sculpture, Ecstasy of St. Teresa. St. Teresa of Avila was a supposed "mystic"

There is, imo, a connection, albeit in the sub-conscious, of sexual excstacy in that picture of that Bush woman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_and_Christian_Ar...
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 06:44 PM
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57. I sitll wanna bring my Star of David shuriken
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 06:46 PM
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58. Is someone going to be hanging
on these crosses?
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-12-05 07:09 PM
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60. Let them do it! I want to wave my Lizard Cross flag too!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 01:58 AM
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63. "papier mache objects" as weapons?
Is there any standard of proof for the boy king's secret service, or can he just ban any kind of free speech he doesn't like?
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malmapus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:22 AM
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64. I dunno, crosses lined roads before
Edited on Fri Jan-14-05 02:22 AM by malmapus

Wasn't it Crasso that had them setup for miles on the main road leading to Rome after the one of their slave rebellions?
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 03:19 AM
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68. It was in the movie Spartacus.
Crassus, one of the Roman triumvirs in conjunction with Pompey had put down the slave rebellion and lined the road with crucified slaves. Nobody likes a slave revolt except the slaves.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:29 AM
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65. What do they want? Giant crosses on each side of the street?
I wouldn't allow anything bigger than a rosary bead sized cross. Even a "regulation" house cross is gun sized. It wouldn't be hard to disguise a shotgun as a cross. They should pick a better religious symbol. Do people in Muslim Theocracies hold up models of Mecca when they have parades?
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:36 AM
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66. What? Ashamed of Crosstikias?
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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:41 AM
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67. I'd love to be on that jury!
:evilgrin:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 02:33 PM
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70. Hoo boy yeah! nt
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sffreeways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 03:22 AM
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69. Would they drop it if
George agreed to wear the crown of thorns and drag a cross up Pennsylvania Avenue ?

Instead of the crosses maybe they could lay palms at his feet as he passes.

This is fucking frightening and getting worse by the friggen minute. Will I recognize this country four years from now ?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-14-05 04:39 PM
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71. Don't give them any ideas
That scenario would suit them fine.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-15-05 05:04 AM
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72. here's an idea
if they don't like it they can stay home.
just like they're telling us. so there!
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