2008 - No Hillaries, no Kerrys, no DLC, DNC..

[ObaMania]

.. we just have to get back to grass roots. The reason Carter was elected was because he was no uber pretentious multimillionnaire who was out of touch with people. He was down to earth and really seemed like one of us. Clinton was seen as a new kind of DEM who spoke from the heart and was very charismatic. In '00 we won with Gore, but he was fine with just letting it go. In '04 we came close with Dean and Clark, but the re- :puke: 's hammered them at every turn.

The folks in the Subject line of this post are out of touch with average Americans. They have no clue what we (the working class) are all about. * appealed to "most" people because he has this idiot redneck thing going for him, which unfortunately, is the culture of at least 1/3 of the country. So it is no wonder the motherf****r "won" handily. 'Course a little election fraud helped too ;) .

Anyway, even if we lose again, we need to clean house of all the idiots representing the Democratic party who put their interests, agendas, and careers above doing right by their constituents (except for Wellstone, Boxer, Kucinich, Sanders(I), Dean, and the Democratic Black Caucus). We need to write all of them and tell 'em to shit or get off the pot by telling them we will not vote for their re-election. Daschele was a good example of people getting rid of comlplacent, status quo ass-kissers who weren't looking out for us. Loook who he lost to.. a corrupt whacked-out policy maker.

My point is, we can get rid of all of them. Everyone is getting all excited about Obama. I say give him a year and he'll start showing his true color. I'd wager that it is a little more red than blue.

Anyway, we need to say bye bye to all the Carvilles, Brazilles, Begalas, Shrums(sic?), and McAulliffes or anyone who otherwise worked almost against the party and hello to Deans and Clarks and anyone who can get a clear, concise message out there that does not pander to the bully tactics of the GOP.

We sat back this year, dutifully handed over our money and loyalty and thought it was in good hands. We were wrong. We were screwed and we know it. Next time around these guys are gonna come looking for donations, and (hopefully) it won't be there.

I don't think that it will help going Green and further splintering the party. We showed that there were at least 57 million of us who wanted change, and on 1/20/05 the 57 million are going to sit on their asses and let democracy sink further into the toilet. And most of us will just log in to DU and bitch and moan.

Let's stop talking about reengineering he party and how we'll try harder next time, and really do something now!

Believe me, next election the conservative media will call the deciding state months (years) in advance, and like dumb asses we will believe them and not give a second's thought about how this seemingly "safe" state has gone red all of the sudden. We should have learned from '00 that they have a plan to blatantly steal elections going forward and really made sure it didn't happen this time.

This is it people. This is as good as it gets, and we have no one to blame but ourselves.

..Could you tell I was with Conservative relatives this weekend?

[Southsideirish]

1. I agree 100% especially regarding Hillary, Carville, Begala, etc.

[GreenPartyVoter]

2. Gotta get the election system fixed one

town at a time, starting now.

[Bombtrack]

3. blah blah blah blah blah

I had to skim your article, I mostly stopped reading after your reason as to why Carter won. Gee it didn't have anything to do with the fact that he was out-religious-izing Georgian running against Gerald frigging Ford post-watergate, would it ?

Sorry if my title line pisses anyone off, it's just that your post is so much of the same meaninglessness that fills up half the bandwidth on these boards for freaking years.

I also caught you equating Dean with a bunch of other people who are nowhere near in the same place politically as him, and must conclude you're just another good left-winger to buy into his false-populist bullshit.

Should we run Hillary in 08? Fuck no

Should we run Kerry in 08? Fuck no

Should everyone continue to talk like the world is black and white and we've just learned the words DLC and DNC and everything will be solved if we can just get those bad guys to go away and everything will all be better? No thank you.

[unkachuck]

4. conservative relatives?....

....just shower good before going to sleep tonight :)....

....unless the Democratic Party shows me by their actions that they are interested in progressive values, like Malloy, I'll be gone....

....before I was a Democrat, I was a liberal....and frankly, the Democratic Party doesn't look like me right now....

[Goldeneye]

5. nm

[sandnsea]

6. Carter was very wealthy

I like Carter very much, voted for him '76 and '80. But people really have to pull their heads out, he was a nuclear engineer and a very wealthy farmer and businessman. Why do you listen to the media telling you Bush wins because people want to have a beer with him? I don't know anybody who wants to have a beer with him, dump one on him maybe. And if I had to choose between lunch with Hillary or Barbara Boxer, I'd choose Hillary every day of the week. And Teresa before either one of them. Sick to death of this shit.