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erpowers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 01:34 PM
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They Say Kerry is the Eliteist
On Thursday and Friday the media was very happy to announce that President Bush had bought his wife a new Scottish Terrier for her birthday. The Scottish Terrier is an everyday person type of dog in my opinion. It just gets me that Bush and his wife can own Scottish Terriers and they are everyday people and Kerry gets labeled the eliteist.
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 01:44 PM
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1. But Kerry takes the elitist label and runs with it. I call Kerry a
Edited on Sat Jan-08-05 01:46 PM by Prodemsouth
Defeatist elitist. He seemed like he was boasting when he was talking about not being able to connect with average voters in one interview after the election. A snobish "people are too stupid to vote for me" attitude. Stevenson was this way too. Kerry is an elitist and is proud of it. Yes Bush is an elitist-but he/his campaign handlers are smart enough to keep it in the closet.
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BurgherHoldtheLies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 01:56 PM
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2. Personally, Kerry's elitism was a plus for me....
I don't want to vote for a guy that would have a beer with me! I want the well educated, experienced, thoughtful candidate who has the resources needed to compete with the money machine of the opponent. IMHO.
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 02:27 PM
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4. Trouble is those guys don't win elections.
Edited on Sat Jan-08-05 02:30 PM by Prodemsouth
Was Kerry's elitism a plus- did you decide to vote for him for that reason? I doubt..you did. Were you like Lincoln Chaffe, who voted for Bush Sr. Yet another Moderate Repug who will not face a serious challenge from the pink tutu Democratic party. Kerry was not lacking in money. What ever happened to that 15 million that was unspent btw. Did I mention I don't like Kerry at all- well now you know. You are talking to someone who loathes moderate Repugs too. I love all these Republicans, troops etc. saying how much they love Kerry now. It is because he was a good little defeatist elitist and let Bush take the reins without a fight. He even spent Christmas in CA with another lousy "moderate" shit head Arnold.. Why does he want to help Arnold rub the stink of Bush off after he bashed Kerry at that idiot convention. Pink tutu defeatist elitist in action. :puke:
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BurgherHoldtheLies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 02:33 PM
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6. My reasons
I voted for Kerry because I found him to be an intelligent, articulate and honorable man. Sorry you didn't find him to be a good choice. May I also add that I respect the intelligence, honesty and outspokenness of Howard Dean. Am I still a bad guy to you? Am I the enemy or a possible ally in this battle to bring this country back to sanity?
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 03:01 PM
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8. Then change your post name. I don't trust any moderate Republicans.
If they honestly felt like the country needed to be "(brought) back to sanity" more would be jumping ship completely. Instead they just occasionally grouse about Bush and do some sort of ineffectual protest like the pink tutu Democrats. They always stand with the pink tutu types on the rare, yes RARE occasions when they stand with any Democrat, never a Conyers, Boxer or McKinney. So for the sake of party unity they don't fight an effective fight - but they are Republicans. It is to be expected from them. Daily more and more Democrats are feeling like they were kicked in the stomach by Kerry. I can see why Republicans like Kerry.
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BurgherHoldtheLies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 03:10 PM
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10. Sorry you feel that way.
I come to DU to educate myself so I can more effectively work for change. I am not here to anger anyone.
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 03:23 PM
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12. I am sorry I am not making sense to you. You don't think people should
put country before party. I felt like Jimmy Carter was not effective and was letting our country be pulled though the mud by students in Iran - so my very first vote: I voted for Reagan. And I was a Republican for the first six years of voting. Then became an independent. Looked at who was in the Republican party didn't like what I saw-Dobson, Helms, other Fascist and I moved on.
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BurgherHoldtheLies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 03:36 PM
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14. See, we do have something in common....
I felt like Jimmy Carter was not effective and was letting our country be pulled though the mud by students in Iran - so my very first vote: I voted for Reagan.

I was still a kid in school during the Iran hostage crisis but I was totally disgusted by our country's impotence. Hence, I registered Republican when I did turn 18. I actually didn't vote in 88 but I would have had a tough time voting for Dukakis but I HATED Quayle. I voted Clinton X2, Gore and Kerry. All in all, I don't think I have that bad of a voting record. I was more involved in politics this year and was effective in convincing other Republicans to vote for Kerry. that's my method: Talking with other moderates Republicans as one of them. I don't bother with the nutty wingnut types...I don't speak in tongues.

Just trying to work for a better future here. I may not agree with all of your opinions, but I try to always be respectful.
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 03:47 PM
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17. But you should also try to convince them what the Republican Party has
become. Moderate Republicans and paleo Cons need to face facts; the neo cons and religious right now run your party.
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 05:47 PM
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23. Can I point out
that what you speak of is the original October Suprise?
The Reagan folks secretly made a deal with the Iranians to release the hostages when Reagan was inaugurated, a deal to trade arms a la Ollie North?
Remember the split screen of the inauguration? half Reagan's inaugural and half hostages being released?
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 06:30 PM
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26. Are you saying that Reagan and Bush arranged for the hostages to be
taken to make Carter look weak? Or that after the Hostages had been taken to arrange for them to be released later. I know about the October Surprise. It does not account for the response or the feeling of the US as weak. If the attempt to rescue the hostages in April was successful, Reagan never would have been President.
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 06:33 PM
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27. Neither
How and why they were taken does not apply. Just that a deal was made to keep them to make Carter look weak.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 03:34 PM
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13. From the south?
I hope so. You could explain to some of these move left people that red state down ticket Dems RUN from the "liberal label".

And, by the way, it is just a label. Southern Dems could help puncture that label instead of continuing to spew it. Just a thought. Kerry's the most down to earth candidate we've had in a long time. I'd rather spend an evening with him and Teresa than Bill and Hillary, any day of the week.
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 04:02 PM
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21. Yes from Georgia. The fact is there are fewer and fewer Dems even
"RUN"ning at all. Either they have switched parties if they are still in politics or they are in very safe districts if they are Dems.
The only thing I would see working down here is combining economic populism with softer sell social conservatism. Fight the moral majority types with real Jesus types. A strong stand against immigration would help any candidate in rural congressional districts distinguish himself from Bush and would help him or her prevail down here especially if economic pressures continue. Moving "left" on the economy: economic fairness would not necessarily be a death nail down here and could be welcome. Social issue left would not go over big and any perceived weakness on defense matters would be a non starter.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 05:13 PM
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22. Economic equity
Economic policy would have to be completely reframed because as long as the right yells "cut taxes" and "liberal tax hikers", the majority of rural red staters are going to vote for Republicans and the facts will never matter. Reframing will work in the west, but not in the south for a very long time. A strong stand against immigration? lol, yeah well, I'm not going to go there. Suffice it to say the Republican business owners in the south like those illegal immigrants just fine. The proof is that Texas MRE company that hired them. Another example of trying to convince a group of people that their enemy isn't the poor or the minority, it's the fat cat Republican business owner who they keep voting for. But try to advocate for the poor or the minority in the south and it's "liberal bleeding hearts" all over again. Until southern Democrats take it upon themselves to confront these labels, the rest of us aren't going to be able to a damned thing.
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 06:18 PM
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24. The Republicans have won based on perceptions of The Democrats
as a "weak on defense pro abortion gay rights party". A feminist party. The "tax and spend" thing is more a suburban issue. I am talking about re framing as a religious issue: the real Jesus verses Corporate "Christians". Rural voters are anti illegal immigration -I am not talking about business owners. The Democrats have got to have an issue to appeal to rural lower and middle income white and black voters - anti illegal immigration is it. I agree with you about the west- that is where the Dems need to put their efforts-I am not going to pretend the south is something it is not. My opinion: If they want to expand their seats in congress: go west with moderate and conservative Democrats. Knock off Republican "moderates" in blue states with aggressive campaigns and high profile challengers with money.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 02:22 PM
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3. I never heard a critic define "elite"
I still don't know what specifically they were referring to. Not the school he went to, because Bush went there too. Not the money, Bush was raised with more money. Not the people he worked with, Bush's champagne unit was the elite one, the whole AWOL thing showed who was too elite to do an honest day's work. Not the ability to connect with the middle class or poor - Bush has the haves and the have mores.

The label was another of those Rove deals where they look at their own shortcomings and accuse the opponent of exactly what they are guilty of, to deflect attention.
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nickgutierrez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 02:35 PM
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7. Bullseye.
Hypocrisy 101, the Republicans' core course.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 02:29 PM
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5. Yes, the multibillionaire CEO's of the GOP call educators elitists too
No cognitive dissonance there either...right?
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 03:07 PM
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9. Nothing says 'Elite' to me more....
Than a group of people that go and force their beliefs on every other American by voting them into law (Gay marriage, anyone?). That this group also refers to themselves as those Chosen by God, I would say that that makes them pretty elite...

Oh, and doesn't Bush have a $3,000 Cowboy hat with a solid gold "W". Not only is he elite...but a metrosexual to boot!
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 03:16 PM
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11. Do you have any idea how much the full blooded Scottish Terrier
costs? A dog from the pound or found on the streets is an average citizen dog. Eliteists buy expensive dogs.

Further, I would prefer that the person that has their finger on the button is smarter than me and the every day citizens of this nation. Maybe it is just me, but intelligence is an important quality for my world leader to have.
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formernaderite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 03:44 PM
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15. Aren't these dogs from Christine Todd Whitman?
I know she gave them the first one as a present, and the second one is also related to the first, not sure if that one was also gifted.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 04:00 PM
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20. He bought Miss Beasley for pickles birthday in November.
Since Miss Beasley was a gift, I would assume he purchased her, but then again you know the classless creep, he could have stolen it or regifted.

Jan 7, 2005 6:33 am US/Eastern
(1010 WINS) (WASHINGTON) The White House got a new resident Thursday with the arrival of New Jersey-bred Miss Beazley, the first lady's Scottish terrier puppy.

President Bush gave the dog to his wife for her 58th birthday in November, but the 10-week-old puppy had to wait to move into the White House.

(snip)

The two dogs are related -- Barney's half brother is Miss Beazley's father.

Miss Beazley was the only female in a litter of five owned by Patricia Gilmore of Livingston, N.J.

Barney's mother was Coors, owned by Christie Whitman. While New Jersey governor in December 2000, she made a gift of Barney to President-elect Bush, who soon named Whitman as his first director of the Environmental Protection Agency.

(snip)

http://1010wins.com/topstories/local_story_006153730.ht...


What I am surprise at is how cheaply he sells cabinet seats.
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rocktop15 Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 03:46 PM
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16. I voted for Kerry because he wasn't Bush
Kerry and Bush are hardly different at all. Both their healthcare and Iraq plans were fairly similiar. This was a large turnoff for me. That being said, I don't care if the guy I vote for is an "elitist." I want the person running the world to be smarter and more of an intellectual than me!!! This is why it bothers me to see people tell me that they can relate to Bush---who cares?

Like Noam Chomsky said, one party is extreme while the other is not as bad. Sometimes minute differences can have large scale consequences. After seeing Kerry bow down and not fight, I am going to have a large amount of reservations about voting for a Democrat come 08.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 03:54 PM
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19. Kerry's health care plan was similar to Bush's?
Huh?

While falling short of a universal single-payer plan, Kerry's plan to have the government cover the bulk of the costs for catatrophic care was a vast improvement over Bush's stupid-ass Health Care Savings Accounts.
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GRLMGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 06:33 PM
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28. Who needs facts? nt
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 03:52 PM
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18. It's George WALKER Bush.
The only people that have Walker as a middle name are elitists. We should drive this point home by referring to him as George Walker Bush all the time instead of more down-to-earth monikers like Dubya or Shithead.

Real Americans' Daddys weren't the president.
Real Americans don't own hobby ranches.
Real Americans don't have their buddies bail them out from failed energy businesses that only got started because of a notable family name in the first place.
Real Americans don't stick a sock in their crotch and dress up like GI Joe.
Real Americans don't dress up as Truman Capote either.

The guy is a fucking phony.

(Sorry, but every now and then it feels good to preach to the choir.)
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 06:19 PM
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25.  My neighbor had a Scottish Terrirer
Edited on Sat Jan-08-05 06:39 PM by Malva Zebrina
and allowed him to run free. He often ended up in my yard, and hid under a huge forsythia bush. At the least it was his "camp"

One day, in order to control the slug population in my organic garden, I set out cans filled with beer to trap the slugs. They are attracted to the sugar or the scent or something, and fall into the can, in their gluttony, and drown.

Needless to say, I found the cans being emptied very fast, with no drowned slugs evidenced at all.

One day, the mystery was solved. I saw this little Scottish Terrier out in my garden slurping up all the beer. I would say there was at least four cans of beer in all of those traps!
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