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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 11:55 AM
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Poll question: Mind control is operational, not a conspiracy theory-Agree/Disagree
We aren't talking about nuclear weapons and earthquakes here. Perceptions are being manipulated for political reasons-that's mind control reality in the 21st century.

Do you agree or disagree that mind control is operational here in the United States of America-and worldwide?

Sorry, polls are turned off at Level 3.

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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:02 PM
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1. Depends on what you mean by "mind control".
If you mean, "the public's perception is warped by repeated propaganda" then yes.

If you mean, "chemtrails/secret brain controlling waves are being used to pacify and/or dumb down the public and control them", then no.
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cruadin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:05 PM
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2. Agree---you stated the distinction better than I could have.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:16 PM
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6. the OP is pretty clear: "perceptions are being manipulated"
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yella_dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:08 PM
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3. Actually, mind control is a pretty good phrase
for what's going on. Studies show that television scan frequencies have a pronounced effect on the brain, numbing the intellect and impairing critical thinking skills. And it's addictive to boot.

Add to that all the research done on using the media to influence people (originally to sell materialism) and the result is a fairly pedestrian mechanism to accomplish James Bond-esque mind control.

Watch a 14-year-old cross a room with an operational TV. Odds are, the tube will stun him/her in his tracks. Works with a lot of adults too. It's scary if you think about it too long.

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ScrewyRabbit Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:12 PM
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4. You believe that, but only because that's what they WANT you
to think. Whoa!
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euler Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:33 PM
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10. That's deep....Very deep.
The infinite "they know that we know that they know that we know..... thing." I'm exploding.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:14 PM
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5. the RepugNuts are using people like Rush to create an Apriori Loop in
Edited on Sat Jan-08-05 12:16 PM by sam sarrha
peoples thinking.. i heard him say that if you didn't agree or understand what he was talking about to keep listening and you would begin to see it... it is a specific perceptual format that Always comes to the same conclusion...

it doesn't work very well in the real world and the problems it causes are recycled by the system to blame the "Others" for their problems thus validating their system .. it is self perpetuating.

the Saudi's used this with the Wahabbie hate cult and it went full cycle and is now biting them in the ass, it will end up overthrowing the Kingdom.. they are doomed. thats called "KARMA".

i discovered this as a Juvenile Parole Officer... researching the shared behavior common to most delinquents.. i wrote a paper called, "Apriori Logic and Inductive Logic as Perceptual Dysfunction and a Stalemate in the Counseling Process" It was not very well received. the syndrome is self perpetuating and the only way the victim can get out is to want to like AA. or the phenomena of regular practice in Art, Music, repetitious exercise or Meditation.. meditation works fastest and best. all my kids got paroled in 30 to 60 days.

meditation actually changes the structure of the brain and makes a connection between the digital and analogical functions and one starts living in in a world governed by solutions .. not problems.. and provides a good format to solve those problems.

"A negative thought contenues and increases exponentionally until replaced by a positive thought, however the positive thought must be cultivated", HHDL
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:20 PM
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7. Well I'd include drugs as part of it whether self-medicating or
prescription, then there is MSM that's where the repetiton and spin come from, then there is the Internet which is a battlefield for infowar, one that is a bit more democratic.
Sight, sound, hearing, vision, emotions all are being manipulated in various ways publicly and privately that's how I define mind control.

You brought up some interesting topics though, there, like directed energy weapons and chemtrails, but mind control is more like Ritalin/Prozac kids playing the latest video game or learning the "latest" dance while ahistorical- while as seniors are sleeping away the day and BFEE is robbing US.

Drugs are a part of it, and there has been genetic modification of our food-which is suspect in my book-don't mess with nature on a molecular level and not expect to get bit in the ass.

The weather is being manipulated, but that isn't mind control.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:27 PM
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8. Limbaugh is doing SOMETHING to people's brains.
I don't know what it is. Remember that guy with Heaven's Gate, the freaky guy... Applewhite I think? And Jim Jones? David Koresh? Etc? Some people do have the ability to break down people's defenses. I've never heard it happening over the radio, but who knows?

Mind control is real -- no, not with subsonic waves or whatever -- but with rhetoric.

Apriori logic... I'll have to look that up.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 07:01 PM
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19. see my post #5
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:28 PM
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9. Just take another look at 1984.
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euler Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:43 PM
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11. A more interesting question is:
How did we here on DU avoid the mind control ? How did Barbara Boxer avoid the mind control, while all her colleagues did not ?. How did she avoid Rove's band of hypnotists ? If we can answer these question, we can probably devise a scheme to bring down the Republic.

This is where our resources should be focused - the dezombification of America.
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neebob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:49 PM
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12. Okay, perceptions are being manipulated
but it's not mind control. Those whose perceptions are being manipulated allow it. It's voluntary.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 01:02 PM
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13. Knight Ridder: "Dangerous testing went beyond vets to orphans, prisoners":
From an October article, "Dangerous testing went beyond vets to orphans, prisoners":

In April 1953, the military helped the CIA launch a Cold War program known as MKULTRA, in which unsuspecting servicemen and civilians were given LSD and other psychedelic drugs to study their use as truth serums.

This cycle of government deception continued well into the 1970s, with thousands of Americans exposed to nuclear radiation, plutonium injections, chemical sprays from airplanes, open-air nerve agents and mescaline in secret tests.

The tests flouted the principle of informed consent in the Nuremberg Code, drafted after the Nazi war-crimes trials in 1947 as an ethical standard for human experimentation.

Sometimes the victims were military personnel. Often they were from society's most vulnerable populations: mentally ill people, prison inmates, poor or illiterate people, pregnant women, children who were retarded or orphaned, drug addicts or prostitutes.

"You've got to ask yourself, how did these scientists sleep at night?" said David Rothman, director of the Center for the Study of Society and Medicine at Columbia University and an expert on the history of human research.

The scientists slept, said expert Jonathan Moreno, by convincing themselves that their tests ultimately would save lives.

"They came to view their work as a patriotic thing to do," said Moreno, director of the Center for Biomedical Ethics at the University of Virginia and author of "Undue Risk: Secret State Experiments on Humans." "And they came to think that the volunteers knew what was going on, even if they didn't know all the details."
http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsuperior/news/n...
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 01:47 PM
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17. Again I state, drugs are part of it-they alter our reality perceptions.
And the drug "research" MK ULTRA documentation of the cold war era is huge-Frank Olson was a martyr to that.
So were many hippies and radicals during the 1960's.
No kool-aid for me thanks.
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 01:20 PM
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14. Absolutely!
A great website for the newbies on documentaries.

http://mysite.verizon.net/res7dhyg/id3.html

Documentaries - I've listed a sample from the site.

THE PROPAGANDA MODEL OF NEWS
1997, (60 min)
An excellent discussion about how the news is sculpted to present a certain viewpoint of events around the world. Featuring Noam Chomsky, Edward Herman and Justin Lewis.
Download 32.6MB


"SPIN"
Brian Springer, Video, 1995, (60 min.)
Using the 1992 presidential election as his springboard, documentary filmmaker Brian Springer captures the behind-the-scenes maneuverings of politicians and newscasters in the early 1990s. Pat Robertson banters about "homos," Al Gore learns how to avoid abortion questions, George Bush talks to Larry King about halcyon -- all presuming they're off camera. Composed of 100% unauthorized satellite footage, Spin is a surreal expose of media-constructed reality.
Download 574MB



BILL MOYER'S "THE SECRET GOVERNMENT"
It aired on PBS in 1987 and is as good as anything on the tape. Bill Moyers is one of the most recognizable and celebrated journalists whose approach to investigative journalism is highly respected. Known for his award winning PBS documentaries, in this segment he interviews several different people involved with the CIA and other government agencies who speak about various U.S. foreign policy covert and overt operations that took place during the Cold War era. His documentary gives quite an overview of what has actually happened in the last 50 years regarding the founding of the National Security Agency and the CIA. (22:04)
Download parts 1 - 2

HIJACKING CATASTROPHE
Video, 2004
Examines how a radical fringe of the Republican Party used the trauma of the 9/11 terror attacks to advance a pre-existing agenda to radically transform American foreign policy while rolling back civil liberties and social programs at home.
Download 17MB or Watch online

MISSION MIND CONTROL
1979
An ABC News Special about the human mind and experiments in mind control. MK-ULTRA.
Download parts 1 - 2 - 3


MIND CONTROL
HYPNOTISM AND BEYOND
1983
A documentary exploring mind control in religious cults and other aspects of life.
Download parts 1 - 2 - 3


Lots more on website.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 01:31 PM
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15. Go back to work. Nothing to see here. Make babies. Consume. Obey.
SLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP!

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TheEconomist Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 01:34 PM
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16. But if we were being manipulated....
wouldnt we all have voted 'no' to this thread? Hmmmm.....
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 02:01 PM
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18. dream, dream, dream, dream, dream along...
Dreamer, you know you are a dreamer
Well can you put your hands in your head, oh no!
I said dreamer, you're nothing but a dreamer
Well can you put your hands in your head, oh no!
I said "Far out, - What a day, a year, a laugh it is!"
You know, - Well you know you had it comin' to you,
Now there's not a lot I can do

Dreamer, you stupid little dreamer;
So now you put your head in your hands, oh no!
I said "Far out, - What a day, a year, a laugh it is!"
You know, - Well you know you had it comin' to you,
Now there's not a lot I can do.

We'll work it out someday

If I could see something
You can see anything you want boy
If I could be someone-
You can be anyone, celebrate boy.
If I could do something-
Well you can do something,
If I could do anything-
Well can you do something out of this world?

Take a dream on a Sunday
Take a life, take a holiday
Take a lie, take a dreamer
dream, dream, dream, dream, dream along...

Dreamer, you know you are a dreamer
Well can you put your hands in your head, oh no!
I said dreamer, you're nothing but a dreamer
Well can you put your hands in your head, oh no!
OH NO!

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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 07:39 PM
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20. Abu Ghraib abuse analyzed by a CIA MKULTRA survivor
A four-part reflection on torture of Iraqi prisoners by a survivor of CIA trauma-induced mind control, Kathleen Harris:


Our stories are no less real than those of the Iraqi prisoners. Unfortunately, we are less likely to be believed by fellow citizens because our abuse was perpetrated most often by government employees within the borders of our countries. We were innocent civilians, not war prisoners. And what was done to most of us was much worse than what most of the Iraqi prisoners have unfortunately endured. (This is like comparing apples and oranges; both experiences are solid and real and directly related. Therefore, such a comparison is really a matter of the degree of trauma and torture and sexual degradation experienced by each survivor. Regardless of the degree, however, trauma is trauma. Every trauma is horrible, whether it lasts a day or a year or for decades.) The psychological scars and other results of the traumas weve endured are just as legitimate and consistent as the visible and invisible scars of the Iraqi prisoners, who will carry them in their minds and bodies some, for the remainder of their lives. Deep humiliation and terror and rage cannot be conveniently erased when one is freed by ones tormentors.

As you read North American survivors reports, I challenge you to compare them with the reports of prisoner abuse and murder that are coming out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Remember, we made our stories public long before these revelations began emerging from Iraq. As you compare the reports, you may be horrified to discover that this kind of sadistic abuse is not an aberration. It is, in fact, historical and ongoing.

...

Some survivors have reported that these reports and photos triggered strong flashbacks and powerful emotions that temporarily disabled them, leaving them unable to socialize and perform life duties as well as they normally might.

My own reactions were equally powerful. I cried more during this past two months, than I have in years. I experienced strong bouts of depression and alternating periods of great manic energy. Both seemed to be generated by my strong feelings of outrage: our government is still hurting others in some of the same ways that we North American mind-control survivors have been hurt!
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jjtss Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:53 PM
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21. Yes DU'ers we are being programmed!!!!
Source: Leading Edge International Research Group

Project Moonstruck by US CIA
Electronic implants in the brain or teeth to track & control & program individuals with electronic brain stimulation. 1952

Project MK ultra 1953 by USCIA
Drugs, electronic stimulation and electroshock to program behavior

Project Orion 1968 by US CIA
Drugs, hypnosis, and Electronic Brain Stimulation used for top security personnel debriefing to insure security and loyalty

MK Delta 1960 by US CIA
Fine tuned electromagnetic subliminal programming using television and radio and power lines to program behavior and attitudes in the general population.

Phoenix II 1983 by USAF & NSA
Electronic multi-directional targeting of select population groups to
do population programming of sensitized individuals.

Trident 1989 ONR & NSA
Electronic directed targeting of individuals or populations to manage large group behavior.

RF MEDIA 1990 by US CIA
Electronic, multi-directional subliminal suggestion and programming using televisionand radio communication with the videodrome signals to program and trigger behavioral desire, subvert psychic abilities for mass population control

Tower 1990 CIA & NSA
Electronic cross country subliminal programming using neural resonance and encoded information to produce neural degeneration and suppress psychic abilities

HAARP 1995 CIA NSA ONR
Electromagnetic resonant induction and mass population control using 1.1GHz step-down freq to produce DNA code alterations in the population and mass behavior control

There is more but I'm tired of typing. So you can see how G. Brish won the election. If you are not influenced by subliminal programming then your DNA or Brain waves are not in the majority range and the electronics has little or no effect. Be Grateful.
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KSAtheist Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 08:59 PM
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22. I disagree.
I see nothing to suggest that mind control has altered anyone's perceptions. No more so than it did in centuries past.

People are the same, slovenly, intellectually lazy sheep they've been since the beginning of time. If there's any insidious underlying pattern to the media, it's merely false recognition.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:59 PM
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23. blow up the tv
nothing else will do.
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