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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 06:57 PM
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Is it possible to renounce citizenship and still live in America?
I was born here, so I'm a legal citizen as far as the law is concerned.. I wouldn't become an illegal alien. What if I just decided to become a Tridimican and updated my documentation to say so?

The way I see it, this is my country and I love it. The American title has been stolen from us by criminals who now have no problem labeling all of us "un-American". Get it? I don't want anyone to make the mistake of assuming I approve of the past and future actions of these "Americans". They don't speak for me, they don't think like me and they certainly don't care about me.. But still, this is my country, and I'm not leaving.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 06:59 PM
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1. I wouldn't renounce citizenship if I were you
unless you were planning on living elsewhere permanently. You might be sent to Gitmo as an enemy-combatant-without-a-country.
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Tacos al Carbon Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 07:03 PM
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2. Renouncing citizenship formally takes some work
But it's possible. However, once you do so, you cannot simply remain without some lawful status (such as a worker's visa, a student visa, etc.). If you want to renounce your citizenship you have to leave the country (you can't do it while in the U.S.) and then go to a U.S. consulate or embassy and renounce your citizenship. You won't have to worry about living in America after that because, well, good luck getting back in if you're not a student and don't have a visa of some sort.

In short, no, you cannot simply go to Mexico or Canada, renounce your citizenship and then live here as some kind of stateless citizen of the world. Not legally, at least.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 07:04 PM
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3. You can't, unless you can become a legal alien
The U.S. Department of State has concluded that the intention to relinquish U.S. nationality required for purposes of finding loss of nationality for the purposes of Section 349(a) of the INA does not exist where a renunciant plans or claims a right to continue to reside in the United States, unless the renunciant demonstrates that residence will be as an alien documented properly under U.S. law.

http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_777...
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 07:11 PM
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6. So, then one would have to
want to be a Vulcan, or a Tribble or Ewok?

Couldn't we just be Jedi?

:crazy:

dp
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lenidog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 07:37 PM
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8. That wont work
>>>Couldn't we just be Jedi?<<<

Because in England they set the precedent for that being a religion.

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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 08:28 PM
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9. oh , now i'm
being persecuted too?

may the force be with me.
dp
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 07:05 PM
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4. Talk to a lawyer before doing anything stupid
Please
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politicaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 07:06 PM
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5. America is the only country that doesn't allow it's citizens dual cit-ship
So, you'd be a person w/out a country living in America I guess.

Move to an Indian reservation. Then you're in a different country, but in America none-the-less.
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Tradnor Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:00 AM
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11. Not true
Many nations do not recognize it, and the U.S. used to be among them, but not anymore. The State Department doesn't encourage dual citizenship, but it is allowed. Since 1990, you can become naturalized in another country without losing U.S. citizenship, even if the other country makes you take an oath renouncing it.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 07:22 PM
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7. Don't denounce your country
If you don't like it change it. Take back the power!

OK, now you just figure out how to do that and tell the rest of us. But seriously, don't let a bad 4-8 years destroy your whole image of this country. We've done a few good things in our time.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:06 PM
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10. Damn straight.
We're the Americans, not them.
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 12:34 AM
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12. Please, please, please!
Do not renounce your U.S. citizenship. We the people are the United States, and I would never renounce my citizenship because, for me, it would be tantamount to renouncing all of the people and ideals I love.
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