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Hephaistos Donating Member (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 06:19 AM
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How we can become the majority party again?
If our goal is to build a fraud-proof majority in 2006 and beyond, some wonderful opportunities have just opened up. Bush is now a lame duck, and his wish to build a lasting legacy will conflict starkly with the desire of repug Congress-critters to keep their jobs. We are now in a position to do to them what they did to us so effectively in 1994: create powerful wedges between the radical fringe and the befuddled center.

Social Security: Atrios calls this issue a 'Gift' (here) and Josh Marshall (all over) are pointing out that congressional repugs are scared shitless about Social Security.

WSJ: Senate Republicans signaled their wariness yesterday in a private retreat on the year's legislative agenda with White House adviser Karl Rove. An attendee said the senators gave Mr. Rove "a subtle but clearly identifiable message that the GOP would go along...but they were scared to death.

Specter and several other repugs will likely not support Bush's initiative. If we can control defections from the Dem side, this issue alone could put us back in the majority for a decade. Bush's plan is a desaster from every perspective, and if we can't win on this issue, we may as well give up.

Tort Reform: Kevin Drum points out the common-sense slogan that the best way to "cut down on medical malpractice suits is to cut down on medical malpractice". Everyone should refer to tort-reform as the 'Con-Man Protection Act". George Lakoff also has some good ideas about how to frame this debate to our advantage.

My question: what other issues can we use to drive a wedge between the batshit-crazy and the moran wings of the repug party? How do we frame them?
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 06:33 AM
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1. Lack of support for our troops
Stop loss and continuous deployment of Guardsmen has a drip drip drip effect-not as splashy as SS and tort reform, but something that is effecting more and more people. Think of the guy with the Bush monkey picture in NYC. They closed down the art exhibit, but he got a HUGE play (and no one dared stop him) because he said he was auctioning off the painting and giving the money to the troops for body armor.

What we need is a Senator or two who will be willing to step up to the plate and ask where all the money is going to that is earmarked for Iraq. The fact that much is going to war profiteers instead of for needed equipment is something we need to hammer home. What can the Rethugs say if we do? That we are unpatriotic or not supporting the troops? I don't think so.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 06:33 AM
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2. We aren't going to be come the majority party again
as long as we have leaders who would rather cross-dress as Republicans. Our LEADERS are not willing to rock the boat. As long as there is no meaningful leadership, there will be no change.
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theorist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 06:36 AM
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3. Size and efficiency of the federal govt.
We should hit Bush really hard on his reckless spending. The SS debate, expanded/wasteful military spending, and tax cuts for the rich would all fall under this umbrella. I think this was Bush's weakest point during this last election, but I don't think we held on hard enough.
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Hephaistos Donating Member (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 06:53 AM
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4. Good one
I don't understand why Kerry didn't run an ad in which a repug comes into a house with a newborn baby to congratulate the parents, turns to the baby with a credit card in hand and says something like: "Lookee here... your very first credit card ... you don't mind if I keep this for a while...?" and tucks a monthly statement for a few thousand dollars under the little one's pillow. Voice-over: "the moment your baby is born, she is already $20.000 in debt. George Bush used the money to finance his giveaways to rich supporters, so they can move American jobs to low-wage countries"

Something like that...

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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 03:06 PM
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28. Great idea for a MoveOn ad right now! Get this "children's tax" out
in the open!

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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 06:55 AM
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5. Throw the same mud as the repukes
If we can't smear the opposition as bad as they smear the Democrat candidate, then there is no use trying.
Every election the Democrats come out and proclaim that we are going to have a clean campaign and usually it fairly clean, then the Repukes throw every smear they can dream up and it works.
WHY?
Because the people love to watch someone get smeared. They watch the news hungry for the story about someone getting hurt or killed, and they watch all the Reality TV they can get their remotes to channel into the living room.
Democrats are too nice!
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latteromden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 07:26 AM
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8. But we somehow need to make it work. People think REPUBLICANS are
the clean ones, and Democrats are the ones that are negative; it's ridiculous!
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bambo53 Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 07:09 AM
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6. Universal health care
and buy up CNN & MSNBC and a bunch of FM stations. Then find some really smart & progressive talking heads, feed em lots of red meat & coffee and open the doors to the New Frontier.

People are yearning for something new & exciting.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 03:45 PM
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29. Health care, yes but
saying "universal" is now code to many regular folks for "socialism" and it scares them. That word has been successfully co-opted by the right, IMHO.

We need a better phrase for basically the same thing!
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MSgt213 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 07:21 AM
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7. First we have to be a party of opposition
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bambo53 Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 07:34 AM
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10. To be a party of opposition we'll need money.
Lots & lots of money. The unions used to provide it. Now our party has to hit up Corporations for it, thus, we've become whores too.

Follow the money for the answers.


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MSgt213 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 07:44 AM
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11. Maybe if we had fought for unions they would still be there. In my
opinion we have abandon unions and they are now fighting for their own survival. If we have the guts to defend the rights of people who don't have ready access to the government like corporations and stick with them without compromised the money will come. We stand by while the republicans weakened unions, civil rights for gays and other minorities, elderly people, send jobs overseas, let companies do away with benefits for workers, abuse illegal aliens and close libraries in America and open libraries in Iraq. Then we wonder why we don't get elected?
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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 08:09 AM
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12. Amen! Worker rights, minimum wage, unions, individual liberty

We could own these issues and win again. Clinton passed Nafta which screwed us, but he got in by passing family leave act, earned income tax credit, raising minimum wage.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 07:30 AM
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9. with terry mcauliffe and dlc in the way
i think all bets are off.
i can't see how certain dems are willing to take the idea seriously of becoming a powerful machine again -- in fact one can reasonably argue that the reverse may true.
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Hephaistos Donating Member (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 09:01 AM
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15. The DLC is a problem
but not an unsolvable one. IMO, the milquetoast wing of the party is slowly starting to lose their grip. That is why they are lashing out at Dean, etc.

The solution is not to defect to the Greens but to strengthen the reform wing of the party. This is NOT a liberal vs. centrist issue, but a struggle between the entrenched power structure and the reformers.

See the continuing discussion about reform at http://www.dailykos.com .

Many here may disgree with Kos about a number of issues, but he is at the forefront of the reform issue.


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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 08:09 AM
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13. by taking on the corporations and their influence . . .
yeah, I know it likely won't happen from within the party . . . but it should . . . the whole issue of corporate governance is one that people would respond to if it were ever explained properly . . . hell, people are already upset with corporations for a whole host of things, and the Dems could score big by taking on such issues as . . .

- corporate personhood;
- corporations writing the regulations and legislation that governs their own industries;
- obscene executive compensation;
- moving company operations offshore to avoid US taxes;
- other creative tax dodges that result in most corporations paying NO taxes;
- corporate rape of the environment;
- loss of pensions and employee health care;
- the outsourcing of American jobs;
- the military/industrial complex; and
- interlocking directorates (i.e. the same people are running most of the country's major corporations).

this is what's called a populist platform (i.e. beneficial to the people, not beneficial to the corporatocracy) . . . but since the Democrats are as firmly attached to the corporate teat as are Republicans, they're not likely to do anything to upset their sponsors . . .

guess we'll have to wait for the crash and start all over again . . . just like we did after the first depression in 1929 . . .
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Hephaistos Donating Member (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 08:36 AM
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14. I tacitly agree, but...
... who is going to broadcast these issues?

A nutjob like Michael Savage can get a job at MSNBC, but do you think any Dem espousing ideas like this is going to get even a fraction of a minute to discuss them in the corporate media?

I see these issues as something that can be tackled down the line, once we are the majority again, but they appear to be a sure loser in the current media environment.

Waiting for the crash is not that appealing of an option...
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 09:29 AM
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16. excellent point . . . and my answer is . . .
I have no idea . . . and the same goes for whatever strategy we come up with . . . as long as cable and broadcast news are in the hands of -- guess who -- corporations, it's unlikely that anything we propose will be communicated to the voters . . . kinda leaves us between the proverbial rock and a hard place, don't it? . . .
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 09:33 AM
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17. It's the Media, stupid.
Democrats are demonized by Faux News, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS and FOX. Until that changes, the tide will continue against Democrats.

Where once the press could educate everyday people on the issues, these outlets are now complicit and fostering ignorance and feeding a simplistic agenda, discouraging thought process or reasoning.

Save your energy and focus it on the media.
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bambo53 Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 09:39 AM
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18. Stupid people don't read the papers,
but they buy a lot of pop corn.

Follow the money.
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Hephaistos Donating Member (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:03 AM
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19. The media loves a good fight
If we can make clever use of wedge issues, the media will cover it, because it will pit repugs against each other!

Bush is a lame duck. The media love lame-duck stories, and how the once-mighty repug message control machine has lost its punch. They will eat it up.

To get there, we need to enforce strict discipline on our side and speak with a single voice on select issues. Surely there must be some where this is possible?
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bambo53 Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:14 AM
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20. Movies, documentaries
They sell, and they make a ton of moo la.
We already do it best, we just need more powerful personalities at the front end and a more compelling message than a homosexual wish list. (we can accomplish that later)
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Hephaistos Donating Member (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:24 AM
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21. A critique of style, not substance
calling the concerns of a core constitutent minority "a homosexual wish list" is not conducive to keeping a unified message. I ask for more sensitivity, at least in this thread.

Remember, we are talking about THEIR wedges, not OURS.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 10:27 AM
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22. It will happen when the Republicans produce the next great depression
Then we will have to start all over again with the New Deal.
Except THIS time we will have no power or authority in the world and we will need to beg for every scrap we need from the rest of the planet.
We will also have no oil because China and all the rest of the countries have formed contracts with the oil-producers while we were busy bombing them or trying to overthrow them.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:15 AM
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23. A reprint with changes: how we take the next one
This is a modification of http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2666542 to reflect some suggestions made in that thread.

1. We are going to back one candidate for president from the very beginning of the election cycle. I have discussed this before and it still holds: more than one candidate in the primaries is inviting disaster. Think back to the last time there was no incumbent--the year 2000. We had a number of candidates and finally came up with Al Gore. The Republicans walked into New Hampshire knowing they were going to run Bush in November. This year, the Democrats had ten "serious" contenders (as Molly Ivins once said, "is he serious?" means "does he have any money?") and the Republicans knew they were going to run George Bush. Sometime next year, the Republicans will have chosen their next candidate. This does two things for them: it keeps the Repugs from tearing each other apart before the general-election campaign, and it allows them to spend all of their negative money working on Democrats. We, on the other hand, spend our negative money working on each other. Result: Bush got twice the mileage out of his negative money, and by the time it was all over Jesus would have come off looking like a scumbag.

We are going to choose this candidate in a smoke-filled room, no matter how loudly some of you may complain. We will do it this way if I have to buy the cigars myself. (Don't worry, I'll get some good ones.) Ever since we dispensed with the smoke-filled room, we've blown 1984, 1988, 2000 and 2004. (1980 doesn't count; when you have an incumbent, you have to run him for reelection.) The last two times we put a Democrat in office, the Republican was so damaged we could have won with Adolf Hitler on the Democratic ticket.

The particular smoke-filled room we're going to use will have 2550 Democrats in it. Each state, plus the District of Columbia, will send fifty delegates. The smoke-filled room will be in a bowling center; we will install decking over the lanes and put chairs on the decking. (Bowling centers have incredible air filtration systems--we're Democrats and half of us are allergic to smoke. They also have no windows, which will keep the freepers from peeking in.)

2. We are going to develop a very simple-to-understand program. It will contain no more than six major initiatives. We will be able to describe these initiatives in less than fifteen seconds--not completely, mind you, but well enough that a person of average intelligence can understand them using only the information contained in those fifteen-second soundbites.

3. We are going to run a campaign that does not require a website. Obviously we will have one. You can't run for dogcatcher in America today without having a website. In 2004, John Kerry had some great plans--but because of their complexity, you had to go to Kerry's website to figure out what the hell he was going to do. Apparently, the only thing the average American can do on line is eBay and look at the website for their favorite sports team.

4. Negative campaigning: Folks, if the era of civilized campaigning ever existed, it's long gone now. One of my favorite political anecdotes comes from Hunter Thompson: he related the story of Lyndon B. Johnson running against a hog farmer. Johnson was losing, and he directed his minions to start spreading word that his opponent enjoyed frequent conjugal relations with his barnyard sows. One of his minions objected: "We can't call him a pigfucker!" LBJ grinned and said "no, but let's see the sumbitch deny it."

We are going to run a negative campaign. It has been proven to work. The electorate keeps saying it doesn't like negative campaigns. If this is true, then why in HELL do these people keep voting for the guy who runs the most-negative campaign?

In 2004, we didn't have to go far to run one. Bush, being quite possibly the biggest crook ever to live in the White House, gave us all the ammunition we needed. He outed a CIA agent. He did business with BCCI, the biggest supplier of terrorist funding in the entire banking industry. His brother is an S&L crook. His father put Manuel Noriega on the CIA payroll even though he knew Noriega was a drug kingpin and a terrorist--and we had to go to war to get him out of there. Half of his administration is complicit in either Iran-Contra, arming Saddam, arming Osama or all three. The other half is up to its ass in various domestic scandals. He's allied with Enron, a corporation that gives free sledgehammers and license-plate presses as Christmas bonuses. And let's not even go into the Ballpark at Arlington. His grandfather armed fucking Hitler, fa chrissakes. The fact is that you could have started on New Year's Day 2004, publicized a new Bush scandal every single day until November 2, and still not have run out. We have argued about Bush's next job once he finally leaves office. He's going to go into show business. He will be the swamp monster in B-grade horror movies. He's so covered in slime, he won't need any makeup.

What did we do with all this free help? Not a damn thing. People, when someone hands you a gift, accept it! And Bush's corruption was like manna from heaven! We didn't have to work hard on a negative campaign against George Bush; just telling the truth about him would have done it. Did we? No, we hailed him as a strong leader in the fight against terror. Wrong move: he's a very weak leader in the War Against Adjectives. We know how bad he's fucked up the war on terror. We've got people sitting in Gitmo right now who we can't charge because they didn't do anything wrong before they were picked up, but we can't release because if we do they'll become terrorists.

5. On the other hand, we know the Republicans will do anything to run a negative campaign against us. They will make shit up if they have to--we saw that with the Swifties. We simply must have a staff on standby monitoring at least the national news channels (plus probably FR, WorldNetDaily, townhall.com and lucianne.com) for any hint of negative advertising, and we must IMMEDIATELY slap it down. Immediately means "before the big hand is pointing straight up." When they impugn the war record of our candidate, we must do two things: prove it wrong and hit them harder--and on an unrelated subject. "Dr. Louis Letson, while he may be a beloved family physician, is also a damn liar. There is no way he could clearly remember Senator Kerry's wounds because he never treated Senator Kerry's wounds. And John O'Neill, who went to Vietnam after John Kerry left, is not an expert on John Kerry's Swift boat service and he's a Nixon sympathizer anyway. But backstabbing is nothing new to President Bush; he stabbed Mr. and Mrs. John Jones of Arlington, Texas in the back when he seized their land under the principle of eminent domain to construct the Ballpark at Arlington, paying them far less than its market value. The Bush team then discovered they didn't need the Jones' land and sold it at a healthy profit." I tried to work in that Bush also raised the taxes of the citizens of Arlington to build the park, but it didn't work in that context.

6. We are going to dress our candidates and their families in tasteful, attractive yet reasonably-priced clothes, hair, accessories and makeup. A recurring theme on DU is the disaster that exists in Laura Bush's closet and on her dressing table. Serious people present themselves professionally and attractively but don't look like they fuss over themselves for hours on end. We are going to run serious people.

7. We are going to target the "flyover states." We are better for the heartland than the Republicans are. We value labor, not old money; lifetime commitment, not "trophy wives"; living within your means, not maxing out the nation's credit card on unwise purchases like preemptive wars. We are going to do this by sending popular Democratic leaders--not entertainers, but elder statesmen--into the big red blotch dividing the country and convincing the people who live there that we want better for their states than the Republicans do. Remember, there is not one "red state" that went totally for Bush this election. (In fact, Montana--a very red state--has a blue governor and a nearly-blue state house.) Also remember that Bush won this election by one of the thinnest popular-vote margins in history. The red states are not a lost cause, and by properly managing the message, we will reign supreme.

Flyover states care about three things: jobs, quality of life and freedom to do as they wish. Can they pay their bills? Can they let their new puppy run around in the yard without worrying that if he drinks out of a mud puddle he's going to die? Can they go hunting, fishing, play on the water? They want Social Security fixed, not privatized. They want affordable medications that won't kill them. (They would prefer to get them from American pharmacies, which leads me to the next question: if the United States government pays for the development of new drugs, which we do, why can't we demand that the price of the drugs which result from this development be set to cost plus 25 percent?)

8. We are going to follow the Republicans' lead and change the subject any time someone asks a question we don't want to answer. It's evasive as hell, but it works. If Tom Brokaw would have asked Bush when he stopped beating his wife, Bush would have started talking about Saddam Hussein and how the world was better off now that he's in jail--and We Would Have Let Him Get Away With It. No one seems to mind. Since it works, we're going to do it too. And when the reporter chimes in with the question we've longed to ask, "Sir, would you please answer the question I asked?" we get the ultimate retort: "George Bush did this exact thing for eight years. Now it's a problem? What's your problem? Why do you hate America?"

9. Please understand that this is in no way a repudiation of our core principles. It is how we will campaign. We will run left and govern left and bring people who claim to be on the right with us because we are correct and the right is not and we will make people understand this. (I can put more instances of "and" in a sentence but not tonight.)

10. We are going to attack the right's main campaign point: "traditional" marriage. Everyone on the right thinks gay marriage threatens traditional marriage. People on the left think divorce and infidelity threaten traditional marriage in a way gay marriage never could. Because of this, we will come up with ways to preserve traditional marriages. (Besides "not allowing Republicans to get married," that is...but do this: Think of five couples you know who have been married ten years. Think of five who have been married 25 years. And now five who have been married 50 years. Of these fifteen couples, how many are Republicans? In my case, it's only one--and both husband and wife are on their second marriages.)

If we do all of these things, no Republican will ever darken the doors of the White House again.
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Hephaistos Donating Member (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 11:59 AM
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24. completely agree about negative campaigning
and the general gist of your comments.

Marriage and fidelity is a good wedge, but it can't come from us, it has to come from the ultra-fundies, with harsh punishments for marital infidelity. The moran wing has to look at the fundie wing in disbelief and say: "whaddaya mean I can go to jail for cheating on my wife - are you people f***ing nuts?"
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 01:13 PM
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25. I was thinking of approaching the Marriage Problem on several fronts
The first is to demonstrate that Republicans are no friend of marriage, as proven by the fact that they can't seem to keep one together. The "trophy wife" concept is very thoroughly embraced by rich Republicans; rich Dems seem to keep their marriages going forever.

The second is to prove that the Rs use "gay marriage" as a smokescreen. (Delete huge screed about how little girls dream of marriage and little boys dream of being firemen, so the idea of two guys getting hitched is pretty fallacious. It happens, but the reality is more "lesbian marriage.") The Republicans are running a Rollerball administration--they use something to take people's attention off the fact that they've turned the government over to big corporations. (Watch the original Rollerball, not the one with Rebecca Romijn-Stamos.) And since they can't introduce a sport where people try to kill each other, Look At Those Two Guys Kissing!

And once we've proven that this is what the R's are really doing, we've defused marriage as a wedge issue. I mean, what the hell is a "traditional marriage"? Getting married, producing 4.3 children and staying married until you both die? That shit ain't happened in centuries. Marriage was ALWAYS about property anyway; the Christians hijacked it but Christians hijack everything anyway, so move along, nothing to see here. (The truest cinematic explanation of marriage is the Swamp Castle sequence in the Holy Grail, where the prince was being forced into a marriage with a princess he didn't love because the princess's father owned "the largest tracts of open land in England, and we need all the land we can get!")

After we return marriage to the people instead of the fundies, we can explain that...well, we never liked the idea of "gay church weddings" either no matter what the lying Republicans say but we really like the idea that people who've lived together for 20 or 30 years can make decisions about each other's healthcare and can't be forced to testify in court against each other, and that's what a civil union is all about.
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Tactical Progressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 02:33 PM
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26. The 'Bad Doctor Immunity Act'
sounds better to me.

Or maybe the 'Insurance Profit Protection Act'.
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erpowers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 02:45 PM
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27. Building a Majority Party
In my opinion we do not have to drive wedges between the different sects of the Republican party. The Democratic party has to begin to talk about some real issues and not be afarid to lose a few elections. The Democratics party needs to begin to explain it positions on certain issues. Mainly, why Democrats support higher taxes. In addition, the Democratic Party has to try to make sure that all the people who support the Democratic Party are registered to vote and know where to go to vote.On the state level the Democrats needs to use the power they have gained in order to fix the voting systems in their states. This would help in allowing everyone to be able to vote. Finally the Democratic Party must try harder to increase voter turnout among its base. In the recent election there were certain parts of the country were people who are the base of the party had a voting rate of less the 50%. If the Democratic party base had turned out at 60% in all of the states Kerry would have been elected even if corruption had been involved. Therefore it is not about wedge issues it is about the Democratic party getting its self together.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-09-05 09:41 PM
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30. Fix the election system... rebuild it from the ground up keeping what was
working from before, but be willing to change some of what wasn't, like plurality voting.
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