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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 03:05 PM
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I Believe
Edited on Sat Sep-06-03 03:08 PM by WilliamPitt
On most nights, you can find me belly to the bar at Charlie’s in Harvard Square, feasting on the meatloaf special and a glass of Harpoon I.P.A. I like to take my dinner there because they have four televisions in a row above the mirror, and because the other regulars are as interesting a mob as you will find in the city. Two of the televisions will usually be showing the Red Sox game, and the other two will be tuned into CNN or MSNBC.

Jennifer, the bartending warrior-goddess who runs the ship at Charlie’s, is as news savvy as anyone can be from watching television. One of these days, on a slow night, I am going to sit down with her and fill in the gaps that linger still in her understanding of present matters within and without the United States of America. Those gaps are not her fault. She goes to the television for her information, and the television is a liar. In this, she is like many Americans. I can’t sit down with all of my fellow citizens, but I can bend Jennifer’s ear the next time things are dull. I can tell her what I believe.

I believe we were lied to about the threat posed by Iraq. The American people were bombarded on a daily basis for months with dire reports about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction being handed off to al Qaeda terrorists for deadly delivery to our shores. The threat, we were told, was so pressing that war was the only option. The threat was so pressing that George W. Bush piled hundreds of thousands of troops on the borders of Iraq before any proof of the necessity of war was presented. That proof, over six months later, still does not exist. The war was based upon a barrage of lies, a domestic version of ‘Shock and Awe’ that was monstrous and criminal and wrong.

I believe these lies were exposed by an Air Force Lt. Colonel named Karen Kwiatkowski, who worked in the Pentagon until her retirement last April. Kwiatkowski is one of many whistleblowing intelligence insiders who have come forward in the last months to expose the shoddy manner in which the Bush administration took us to war in Iraq. Kwiatkowski worked in the Office of Special Plans, the special unit formed by Defense Secretary Don Rumsfeld specifically to second-guess and manufacture ‘proof’ that Iraq was a threat. "What I saw was aberrant, pervasive and contrary to good order and discipline," Kwiatkowski wrote recently. "If one is seeking the answers to why peculiar bits of 'intelligence' found sanctity in a presidential speech, or why the post-Saddam occupation has been distinguished by confusion and false steps, one need look no further than the process inside the Office of the Secretary of Defense." She described the activities of Rumsfeld’s Office of Special Plans as, "A subversion of constitutional limits on executive power and a co-optation through deceit of a large segment of the Congress."

I believe the lies of this administration regarding this war, and the war itself, have made our country far less safe from further terrorist attacks. We were told time and again that Iraq was a nest of al Qaeda terrorist activity. We went to war, ostensibly, to put an end to this threat. No evidence of al Qaeda activity, or al Qaeda connections to Hussein’s regime, or weapons of mass destruction of any kind whatsoever, have been found. The chaos unleashed by this war, however, has been nothing more or less than a gilded invitation to Arabic terrorists like al Qaeda to flood into Iraq and make trouble. The Bush administration created, with its lies, the very situation they supposedly went to war to get rid of. This puts Americans over there, and right here, in mortal peril.

I believe the newest conservative apologia for this war is a bunch of stinking garbage. “I can’t believe you want Saddam Hussein back,” they now say. “The Iraqi people are free now, and a really bad guy is gone.” I believe that if what the Iraqi people are experiencing – terrorism, deprivation, civil war, massive death – is our definition of freedom, then I want no part of it. I believe that if our new foreign policy is going to be a “Get The Bad Guys Everywhere” program that goes to war against “Bad Guys” whether or not there is a threat against America, we as a nation will very quickly fall apart. I believe that I would be amenable to have Saddam back if I can also have back the hundreds of American soldiers who have been killed, the thousands of American soldiers who have been wounded, and the tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians who have been slaughtered and maimed. I believe, as bad as Hussein demonstrably was, that he was not worth the price we have paid, and will continue to pay.

I believe the incalculable horror of September 11th was used against the American people to justify a war that did not need to be fought. The newest poll states that some 70% of the American people believe Saddam Hussein was among those responsible for the attacks; in short, 70% of the American people believe in something that is a flat lie. Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden are blood enemies, and have been for years. Their hatred runs so deep that one would not urinate on the other if the other were on fire, because that urine would help. Never mind sharing weapons.

Why do the American people believe in this connection? They believe in this because George W. Bush and virtually every member of his administration made this rhetorical connection over and over and over again as they argued for war in Iraq. It was the most emotive argument, over and above the other lies about Iraq’s nuclear program and Niger uranium, and it motivated the American people to get in line behind war. Bush used our unchartable woe and fear against us, and his party is planning to hold their 2004 national convention next to the hole in the ground where the Towers stood. The dead are being used, and the living are being rhetorically raped, by an administration that has all the moral fiber of a hammerhead shark.

I believe the war in Iraq, and the War on Terror as a whole, is being used by this pack of ideologically extremist conservatives in the White House to destroy any ability the federal government has to provide needed services to the American people. Bush has recently gone to Congress to ask for $70 billion more for his war, over and above the billions of dollars that have already been pumped into this farce. Between the war costs, the billions being taken out of the domestic budget and fed into the Defense Department, and the tax cuts, there will be nothing left for Social Security or Medicare or a hundred other vitally necessary social services. This is by design; the boys running the show have fantasized for years about reversing the outcome of the 1932 election. Right under our noses, they are doing it. The fact that they are also purposefully terrifying the American people simultaneously means they will likely get away with this, because frightened people tend not to think clearly, and tend to trust those who are demonstrably untrustworthy.

I believe this war is costing so much because the Bush administration gave the United Nations and the international community the back of its hand in the run-up to the war, because the United Nations and the international community had the gall to believe that weapons inspections and clear reasons for war needed to be part of the matrix. We were perfectly able to go it alone, said Bush, and so we did. Now that the occupation has proven to be bloodier than the war, now that we are losing soldiers practically every day, now that a civil war is breaking out between Shia and Sunni because there is no longer anything keeping them from going for each other’s throats, now that the oil lines are getting bombed and sabotaged, now that we are hemorrhaging cash from every orifice, this administration is being forced to crab-walk back to the UN and ask for help. The fact that they have the gall to claim that they always intended to do this is merely par for the course at this point.

I believe that I was wrong. I thought that, if I lived to be 150 years old, I would not see this administration backtrack on its unilateralist course and ask for help in Iraq from the United Nations. Recall that it was Richard Perle, former chairman of the Defense Policy Board and chief architect of this war, who publicly rejoiced at the beating absorbed by the UN. In an editorial published on March 21, 2003 entitled, “Thank God For The Death Of The UN,” Perle wrote the following: “Saddam Hussein's reign of terror is about to end. He will go quickly, but not alone: in a parting irony, he will take the UN down with him.” Perle and his fellow hawks must now eat these words, and I was wrong. I never thought I would live to see the day.

I believe the Bush administration has betrayed the honor and courage and service of our soldiers. When you put on the uniform of the United States military, and when you swear the oath, you are also being made a promise. You are being promised that your blood and heart and soul and courage will not be spent to no good cause. You are being promised that your life will not be thrown away, cashiered by a battery of lies. I believe the American soldiers serving in Iraq do so for the best of reasons, and because they do as they are told. Rumsfeld recently visited Iraq to buck up the troops, requiring them to sweep the streets and pretty up the base. The boost in morale was not forthcoming. "The only thing his visit meant for us was we had to clean up a lot of mess to make the place look pretty. And he didn't even look at it anyway," said Specialist Rue Gretton. "I don't give a damn about Rumsfeld. All I give a damn about is going home." The troops know the score. Pity that so many Americans do not.

I believe that, as fantastically masturbatory the upcoming Showtime ‘docu-drama’ about Bush on 9/11 may be, it cannot come close to explaining the glaring deficiencies within the accepted mantra surrounding what happened on that day. One, only one, example: The professional golfer Payne Steward died aboard his chartered jet when the cabin suffered explosive decompression. The plane continued to fly on auto-pilot. It took the ground controllers 21 minutes to summon an F-16 fighter to come in behind the doomed jet to investigate. On September 11, there was a squadron of F-16s and a squadron of FA-18s laagered up at Andrew’s Air Force Base, which sits just 12 miles from the White House. The hijacked commercial planes were in the air, and were crashing into buildings, for almost two hours before one single fighter turned a wheel and took to the sky. Payne Stewart rated a fighter in 21 minutes. Hundreds of kidnapped civilians did not rate a fighter for almost 120 minutes, until the horror was already over. The mantra for this says, “Incompetence,” yet no one has been fired or even reprimanded. I want to know why.

I believe we as a nation are in the gravest of trouble. I believe our troubles have only just begun, and unless something is done, our troubles will come to undo this democratic experiment before too much longer. I also believe, however, in the words of Thomas Paine: “If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.”

I believe that Jennifer, behind the bar at Charlie’s, is as fine an example of an American as one can find. She works hard, and follows the news as she can. I believe that when she hears these hard truths and bitter facts, she will act upon them with the basic courage and searing outrage that is the hallmark of any American who has been lied to and used. I believe that Jennifer has the power in her hands to reverse this course, and I believe she will do it when armed with the truth. I believe the Bush administration will come to know true fear if people like Jennifer are unleashed.

I believe it is time for my dinner.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 03:10 PM
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1. EXACTLY!!!!
Rand Beers, Joe Wilson, and Karen Kwiatkowski will be a HUGE iceberg for the Bush ship.
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 03:16 PM
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2. Bravo, Mr. Pitt.
:thumbsup:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 03:18 PM
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PDittie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 03:19 PM
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4. *thud*
BoomshakalakalakaBOOM!

(See you in H-Town on the 15th.)
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 03:22 PM
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5. and I believe
you are right.
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mcaverly Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 03:25 PM
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6. As usual
You are eloquent and absolutely correct.
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Impeach Whistle Ass Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 03:26 PM
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7. In all fairness to the USAF
Probably the sole airliner they could have effectively intercepted was flight 93, the one that crashed in PA. The USAF wouldn't have shot down the airliners that crashed into the WTC, up until then, everyone thought they were simply hijacked. The flight highjacked in DC wasn't in the air very long before it crashed into the Pentagon.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 03:28 PM
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8. The two planes that hit the Towers
were in the air for an hour before they hit, with their transponders off.
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RedSock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 05:02 PM
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37. pentagon plane
excellent job as always, will. can i call you the david ortiz of essayists??

**

military heads in the pentagon knew about the plane that would eventually hit the building they were in about 1 hour before it crashed.

with fighters only 10 miles away, they had plenty of time.

more of bush on 9/11:
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/essayaninterestingday.html



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StandWatie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 03:32 PM
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9. hijacked planes always wind up with fighter escorts
I'm not a big conspiracy person but I do really, really want to know why no one was up keeping an eye on them from the minute they left course and weren't answering the tower.
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 03:33 PM
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10. It is SOP to intercept
suspected hijackings or even planes off course with no radio contact.

By the way, Mr. Pitt, thanks again for sharing!!
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 03:40 PM
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11. The smoking gun
AIRCRAFT PIRACY (HIJACKING) AND DESTRUCTION OF DERELICT
AIRBORNE OBJECTS

June 2001

http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01a.pdf

Read closely.
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 03:51 PM
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15. This one too
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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 09:16 AM
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65. With this information, one still has to prove intent.
Was this a screwup? I believe that when the finger is pointed at the responsible parties, we will hear them run the gamut of plausible deniablities. But then we have gotten wuite an earful in the past two years haven't we?

Still, we need documentation of that order to stand down.
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dofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 03:48 PM
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13. The plane hijacked out of Dulles
was airborne well over and hour before it hit the Pentagon.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 08:34 PM
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Misinformed01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 03:45 PM
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12. I believe...strongly...
that posting your location on Friday nights on the internet is stupid.

This was a good read...but, please tell me that you fabricated the location of your "usual" hangout. If you didn't, then at least try the double lobster roll instead of the meatloaf this week.

I am constantly shocked at the information DUers love to share with people that they have never met; God help me, even worse...the women who write..."I am going alone to....fill in the blank...on such and such date...."

Amazing. And very, very dumb.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 03:49 PM
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14. Feh
If someone wants to find me and do me harm, they really don't have to try very hard. I get up on very publicized stages in front of hundreds (and sometimes thousands) of people in cities all across the country. If I didn't get shot in Colorado or Arizona or Montana or freakin' Orange County, I'm not gonna get shot in Harvard Square. And if I am, there's nothing I can do about it.

I'm tired of being afraid. Let them be afraid. Let them come for me. I'll give them a face-full of meatloaf before the bullets fly.
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Misinformed01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 03:52 PM
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16. Then try the lobster roll.
I remember when you had an internet stalker...I can imagine an "in person" one would give you serious heartburn.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 04:00 PM
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18. You've never seen Charlie's
I'd eat the little blue hockey puck in the urinal before I ate the lobster.
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Misinformed01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 04:10 PM
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21. So you eat the "easy to hide stuff in" meatloaf
I wasn't trying to get into a food fight.

I just said that the personal information posted on DU never has failed to amaze me...and I think it's stupid--

But, hey...maybe you will be famous enough one day to immortalize Charlie's a la Harry's Americano.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 04:29 PM
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30. Actually
they take a lot of pride in the meatloaf; it is their signature dinner meal.
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 04:12 PM
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22. Give the would be assasins
a face full o lil blue hockey puck, not the meat loaf, waste of a good cow.
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PDittie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 04:00 PM
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17. And if anyone tries something stupid in Houston in a coupla weeks...
...then I will throw my body in front of yours.

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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 04:01 PM
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19. Not necessary
but many thanks.
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Kat 333 Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 07:38 PM
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52. FEAR
As you mentioned in this excellent read is already part of the problem. I agree this is no time to be afraid though it isn't in my basic nature to give that issue much thought - it's too paralyzing. One can just as easily choose believe that no harm will come to those that are speaking the words of truth. And if all else fails - give a listen to Tom Petty's wise words ...
You can stand me up at the gates of hell
and I won't back down
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 04:15 PM
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24. Dumb indeed telling everyone.........n/t
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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 04:10 PM
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20. One word ---- Wow.
I wish I had your ability to put my thoughts into words. Awesome. I'm glad you're on the side of truth.
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imax2268 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 04:13 PM
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23. you have done it again...
Well said Mr Pitt...!
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 04:23 PM
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25. go easy on Jennifer
judging people's level of ignorance is a tricky thing.

I worked service jobs in a college town for years, and I thought it was absolutely fantastic how willing people were to talk politics and such things. But once in a while I'd get stung by people assuming things about me based, I was convinced, solely on status differences. I realize that I have more of a chip on my shoulder than most people, but I'm still convinced that I was often right about that. I'm not a dumb guy, but a few people talked to me like I was, and even if they had good intentions it's decidedly not flattering.

Also you may miss out on an opportunity to learn something. Maybe she's a genius, and what you see as gaps in her knowlege are actually insights that you missed. :shrug:
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 04:26 PM
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26. She's sharp as a tack
We've talked politics several times, about the war etc. She has admitted that she gets her news from the TV, and that she knows there is stuff she isn't being told, but she's too busy to run it down on her own.
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 04:27 PM
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27. Of course you know
that DUers will want periodic Jennifer updates.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 04:29 PM
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29. Easy enough
:)
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 04:31 PM
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31. Kewl....n/t
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Champion Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 04:28 PM
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28. Damn fine work!
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JetJaguar Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 04:41 PM
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32. With OSP
Kwiatkowski worked in the Office of Special Plans...

It may be more appropriate to say

Kwiatkowski worked with the Office of Special Plans...

--------------------------------------------------------

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (Pennsylvania)

July 13, 2003 Sunday TWO STAR EDITION
SECTION: NATIONAL, Pg.A-6
LENGTH: 1507 words
HEADLINE: OFFICIALS HAD NO PLAN B FOR POSTWAR IRAQ
BYLINE: JONATHAN S. LANDAY AND WARREN P. STROBEL, KNIGHT RIDDER
DATELINE: WASHINGTON

...

Responsibility for preparing for post-Saddam Iraq lay with senior officials who supervised the Office of Special Plans, a highly secretive group of analysts and consultants in the Pentagon's Near East/South Asia bureau. The office was physically isolated from the rest of the bureau.

Air Force Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, who retired from the Near East bureau on July 1, said she and her colleagues were allowed little contact with the Office of Special Plans and often were told by the officials who ran it to ignore the State Department's concerns and views.

"We almost disemboweled State," Kwiatkowski said.

...



Unless working "in" the OSP was confirmed by Ms. Kwiatkowski.
She may actually find being so closely associated insulting,
from what I have read.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 04:44 PM
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33. Thanks n/t
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Coffee Coyote Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 04:54 PM
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34. I believe
THIS is the kind of essay I like to read in GD.
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TheYellowDog Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 04:55 PM
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35. Nice, Will.
Good Job. :)
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 04:57 PM
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36. Thanks. Now I don't have to lacerate you
:)
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TheYellowDog Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 05:10 PM
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39. Ughh
Meanie! lol
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Clete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 05:08 PM
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38. Good post.
It took me back to the days when I was a bartender like Jennifer and I had to get most of my news from TV because I didn't have much time to read. In those days CNN was run by Ted Turner and the broadcast news rooms weren't expected to make a profit, so we got responsible news even if it wasn't in depth.

These were the days Nixon was President and my customers and I watched the fall of the first GOP evil empire played without spin on TV. Each evening like a soap opera, the bar filled up for the next installment. By the time of Nixon's "I am not a crook speech" the bar was so packed, there was standing room only. News like Monicagate would have only made the tabloids.

My customers included professors and graduate students from a nearby university, so I had no lack of mentors to fill me in on the details. I think Jennifer would appreciate a mentor too.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 05:10 PM
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40. This is just great Will (as always)
This just really clarifies.

Is this a Truthout piece, which we are being blessed with advance publication?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 05:11 PM
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41. Yeah
Link tomorrow night.

Thanks.
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TheBigGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 05:16 PM
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42. Showtime docudrama? Huh?
On Bush on 9-11?

This sounds like a poltiical commercial...
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 05:19 PM
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44. Dig it
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TheBigGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 05:33 PM
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47. Good grief!
and it comes on around the same time as his speech.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 07:12 PM
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51. Truth is stranger than fiction n/t
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 12:21 AM
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59. Yes, but perhaps worth watching for this one line:
Apparently, while * is flying around godknowswhere that morning, he insists on going back to Washington, because "the people don't need an AWOL president!"

Almost worth TiVoing, just for that.

But alas, I'll being hanging with Governor Dean in San Jose tomorrow night... :)
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cmd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 05:19 PM
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43. I'm holding an olympic judges card - 10
We have to get you on national news, Will. Then we have to tie every American to his chair and make him listen.
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DieboldMustDie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 05:26 PM
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45. Do you mean Charlie's Kitchen on Elliot Street?
I used to be a regular there, but that was more than a decade ago :)
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 05:26 PM
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46. Yup
:)
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LostInAmerica Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 05:37 PM
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48. Fabulous as usual, Mr. Pitt
Edited on Sat Sep-06-03 05:38 PM by LostInAmerica
William Greider would certainly applaud you as he has written that the current GOP scheme is to rollback every single progressive advance of the last 100 years. I was happy to see you touched upon the right's desire to undo the presidential election of 1932.

However, I must quibble with one minor point. You call the Bush junta a "pack of ideologically extremist conservatives." Sorry, Will, but these are no conservatives. These are radicals of the most fanatical and dangerous stripe. After all, what is conservative about pre-emptive warfare, anti-environmental extremism and bankrupting the US Treasury in order to impede the government's efforts to ensure the common good?

Anyway, terrific work and if I'm ever up your way on a Friday night, the most threatening thing I'll do to you is buy you a Harpoon.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 05:39 PM
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49. Good point
Fixed, and thanks.
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SnohoDem Donating Member (915 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 06:26 PM
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50. In all fairness to hammerhead sharks
Edited on Sat Sep-06-03 06:27 PM by SnohoDem
please don't compare them to the Bush* administration. It perpetuates the myth that they (sharks) are evil.

Loved the article.



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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 09:10 PM
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54. kick
:kick:
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 09:54 PM
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55. Kick
this is too good to die an early Sat night archive death
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 12:09 AM
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56. One
last kick.
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 12:16 AM
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57. If you're still up, Will,
this is terrific.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 12:17 AM
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58. Thanks, Kitty
:)
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iangb Donating Member (444 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 12:28 AM
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60. Do you then believe...
.....that this Administration intends to allow a democratic election in '04?

It's within their powers to call it off..........do you believe that they won't?



I don't.
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diamondsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 01:13 AM
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61. Big ol' kick cause Pitt does it again!
Outta the park, Will. Was reading some of the statements Kucinich has made since all this horror came down, and maybe between you and him we can shovel the manure out of the White House, preferably before the stench chokes us all into a coma.

:kick:
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Castilleja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 01:47 AM
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62. Will, that was gorgeous
loved it...
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 07:24 AM
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63. Got to kick this one n/t
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 08:54 AM
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64. What would MURROW think?
"WE must not confuse disSENT with disLOYALTY.When the 'Loyal Opposition' dies,I think the soul of America dies with it".

E.R. Murrow, a REAL journalist & patriot
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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 09:29 AM
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66. Well done Mr. Pitt! Say, do you know the "right" people?
I wonder if in all your travels and questioning of sources do you ever come across "connected" persons who might allude to inroads of this seemingly monolithic administration?

(Below, I risk insulting your innate legal intelligence. If so, I apologize.)

The reason I ask: if we are to make more that rhetorical hay out of these connections, the circumstances, timelines, personalities and inferences then we will need a document from the inside. Whether the document be a tape recording, a signed order, a photograph, a log - these assertions will only come to fruition if there is documented evidence either directly or indirectly linking events and/or causalities.

In summation, is there or is there not a more than 70% likelihood of the emergence of a modern-day Deep Throat?

I say that to exact the justice we have been calling for since this oddyssey began, we need one now.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 10:16 AM
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67. Bravo! You're right on the money this time, Will
I too believe that the American people, once awakened to the facts, are the greatest threat to the BushCo., the Republican Party, and the whole right wing conspiracy, AND the greatest force for democracy on the planet.

Bake
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