What's up with the anti-Bev Posts at BartCop Forum?

[StClone]

I know some DUers post there but this is ridiculous eatyourownitis if I've ever seen it. Have disruptors taken over?

Like this:

Bev is in this for the $$$$$
Kieth O got a lot of crap from the right wingers for even touching the story and his pay back was bevs ego.
She is a liar in my book
If she has proof of fraud then she should expose it yeasterday.
Heck as $$$$ hungrey as she is i wonder if she is getting flipped a few $$
from repukes to be our resident foil hatter


http://bartcopnation.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=2&topic_id=341451&mesg_id=341451&page=

[Bridget Burke]

1. She must be onto something.

If people are going to all that trouble to shut her up.

[ET Awful]

2. What the hell is "yeasterday?"

Is that like the day before the Monistat finally worked?

[The Backlash Cometh]

3. If there were freepers around, all they have to do is find one voice

of discontent, then amplify it.

[lapfog_1]

4. I don't know about her motivations

But Keith has a number of good points about her behavior in the
last few weeks.

1. If there is hard documented evidence of election fraud, it
is time critical that this gets out.

2. Her apparent actions at a dinner party make her look like a
raving kook instead of a serious critic of our voting procedures
and equipment.

[StClone]

16. Are these real problems

Or is it appearances.

I find reasonable arguments why she would descend on a "retirement party" or to have story promulgated to discredit her as overzealous if not down right "bizarreness". It remains that she needed to serve the documents in question at her leisure not at the sweet time of some Jeb crone.

The evidence of fraud may well be withheld or still to be accumulated before it is released to the likes of me.

I will be the first to brand her appropriately if in fact she is other than what she appears.

[m berst]

5. doesn't seem bad to me

You pulled the worst post from that thread it looks like. Some people have had concerns about Bev Harris all along, as one of the posters there describes. So nothing new, nothing surprising, and nothing that destructive that I can see.

People have some legitimate questions about Harris' work. Those questions could have easily been put to rest long ago. Instead, there are more questions now than ever. It is sad and disappointing, but the problems wouldn't go away just because no one talked about them.

[Paradise]

6. Exactly what I've been thinking! n/t

[m berst]

8. that is poison

Some excellent long term DU members with decades of credentials in the Democratic party have made some calm and rational criticisms of some of Harris' work.

I would caution people to be careful not to foster and encourage an atmosphere of suspicion and innuendo.

[m berst]

7. reverse logic

To say that anyone "must be on to something otherwise why would they be criticized" is not logical.

Just because the Republicans try to discredit everyone who attacks them, does not mean that everyone who is discredited is a serious threat to the Republicans.

This business of maligning and impugning anyone who dares to point out any flaws in any self-proclaimed investigator's work is inducing a witch hunt mentality at DU and is very destructive.

People are saying - in essence - that because they believe that Harris is the Bush administration's worst nightmare come true, that therefore anyone who criticizes Harris must be working for the Bush administration. Think about that. That thinking is the true threat, not the ctiticisms of Harris.

[The Backlash Cometh]

13. Criticize all you like. But if it defeats your purpose, was it worth it?

In this world were the Republicans can send out hit squads through organizations like the Swiftboat liars, it is critical to stand together, otherwise, they will pick us apart one by one.

Has it occurred to you that Bev's temper may have something to do with the burden she has to carry for all of us? And if she is onto something, what is it going to do to her morale once she figures out that she's out there alone?

I've been out there on the field, I even had displays of temper when I wasn't able to open people's eyes, mainly because I got swiftboated. I knew in time they would realize I was right, but now when they need me most, I couldn't care less.

[StClone]

18. Bev may work in strange ways

Because we are not around her day and night and I have yet to pick up vibes from her that give me suspicion.

[Jersey Devil]

9. Why are you asking that here instead of at Bartcop?

How about I hijack your post and bring it over to Bartcop and ask them your question for you?

[StClone]

15. Go for it!

I am not a poster there and don't intend to be. I have seen posts here concurrently there so I know there is quite a bit of crossing over.

[Fud]

10. eatyourownitis?

Point me to one falsehood there?. In case you didn't know she isn't a democrat even.

Take Faun for example he pointed out voting irregularities a year before anyone even heard of bev. Those people you call disruptors have been long time posters. Do you know any of them at all?

We were saying ages ago she would screw this up. Before you disparage fellow democrats maybe you should learn about the past first.

It will become apparant soon but it's no ones burden to edjucate you on things you know nothing about, or heard about or read about.

Bartcop and DU are on the same side you know. Otherwise this would be called bbvDU since this seems to take up alot of crap that goes on in both forums.

I'm tired of it, the admins on both forums are tired of it.

But lets make this clear...if someone like her makes up bullshit claims in public they will be rebuked.

[Trajan]

12. Failing to provide an existent tape ...

is not bullshit ...

Failing to provide a NON existent tape that is claimed to exist, IS Bullshit ...

We support Bev because she has been willing (like Faun) to go after this issue with the energy and wherewithall required ...

We would HAPPILY await Faun's investigative reports about these same issues, if such reports exist ....

We would GLADLY listen to ANY person who actually INVESTIGATES THIS ISSUE ....

TEARING them down is not our game, and is not in our interest ...

Do WE believe Bev is making all this stuff up ? ...

Chuckles ... yeah: .. Black Box Voting is ALL honest and on the level .... right ? .. Is THAT what you are saying ? ..

Most of the ANTI Bev crap is from those who wouldnt put down their TV remote to save their grannies .... let alone protect US from fraudulent voting systems ....

Like Colonel Jessup in "A Few Good Men" ...

"I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself
to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very
freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I
provide it. I'd prefer you just said thank you and went on
your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and
stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you
think you're entitled to."

[robbedvoter]

11. Or like this:

            
Mesg #341464 "That was always our concern"
Author samela    
 

 

That she would compromise the whole issue.
When Bev Harris first barreled in here with some hairbrained scheme for promoting drive-time radio political jokes and accusations about people who were going to file qui tam suits and less than credible understanding of computer issues ... and when she alienated half the board, some thought we were being rough on her for discovering things like her crass selling of Clinton cigars and her self-publication, under pseudonyms, of cheap pamphlets on how to "unembezzle" millions and how to press the "hot-button" issues of non-profit groups. In fact, it became a major argument here: whether the issue of voting fraud was more important than our feelings about an individual.
And there were a number here who said it was precisely our concern about electronic voting fraud that made us want to distance ourselves from said individual--since she had the potential to do real damage to the issue. Some even left the board over this. I hope they're happy in lala land.
Well, it's happened. Ms. Harris has compromised the efforts of many serious activists and of a lone journalist who has tried to keep this story alive. Fortunately, there are those who are doing serious and credible work who will keep Olbermann on this story. Not the least of which are the four brave Congresspersons who have issued the following important letter that will form the basis of investigations in Congress next week of voting irregularities in Ohio.
http://www.spidel.net/ohblackwellltr12204.pdf

[s-cubed]

14. Seems like typical repug smear tactics to me.

She's on to something big, so someone is feeding misinformation to Keith and to Bev and stirring up dissent here and elsewhere to distract all of us. And a lot of DUers are buying it.

[Fud]

17. Oh really?

Someone that disagrees with the allmighty bev is a repug now? What kind of pills are you taking?

I have been in sales for a while and i know how this works well. I had to sell door to door vacuum cleaners that cost 1500 each. Thats crazy for a Kirby but there were many methods to overcome objections.

First of all if the customer puts out something negative and you just ignore it and change the subject. As if you didn't hear them. Then you go in for the kill. Like a mother with a child and show them how much thier precious child is crawling around in dirt. All along you make them like you and remind them if you get one more sale you get a bonus or whatever. Then you close the deal sign the contracts and the ones with buyers remorse don't want to feel bad cause they like you and wan't you to get the bonus.

I had to quit the job because i didn't feel good about it. Shit i was selling these high end vacs to people that didn't even have carpets. At a 30% closing ratio making 300 bucks for 2 hours of work wasn't bad.

I know about promotion and sat listening to sales tapes for hours on the job. And guess what it really works. People want you to think for them without even knowing it. Before you call anyone a repub troll look at Bevs talion marketing pages first mmmkay?

[Skinner]

19. Criticizing Bev Harris does not make one a disruptor.

The sad truth is that Bev has done much to alienate her own supporters.

I'm locking this thread.