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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 12:46 PM
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Anti-Choice Texan goes to China for Stem Cell treatments?
Edited on Wed Dec-01-04 12:50 PM by JanMichael
Unbelievable story.

Whatever...I just find shit like this amazingly hypocritical. It's such a bad thing, murder, crime against "god", yadda yadda yadda, that they want the coat hangers to return, but because of a wreck and some paralysis, they'll go get fetus nose cells shot into their back and everything is coooooool.

On edit: Regardless of the apparent head spinning it's still an amazing story. It'll be interesting to see the long term results.

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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 12:49 PM
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1. Damn his existance and may be roast in HELL on a spicket!
:grr:

Hypocrit!!!
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gennifer6 Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 12:49 PM
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2. typical Republican hypocrisy
its never important or right until it lands on their doorsteps.....ignorant fuckers
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jasmeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 12:50 PM
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3. Unf'nbelievable! I hope they post this in freeperville.
What a self serving dick!
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varun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 12:52 PM
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4. Republicanism, thy name is Hypocrisy
I'm sure they are the one's who abort their daughter's foetus' when the "father" was the "wrong color", or the one of those unmentionables...
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 12:58 PM
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8. I wonder how many teen abortions performed without the parents'
consent were because the parent was the "father" . . .

More likely in the Red states . . .
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 12:52 PM
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5. in laws told husband to do same for his Parkinson's
horrible Thanksgiving.. they watch Fox News 24/7 and even tho Nancy Reagan is pro stem cell.. they tell me to take him to Germany or Israel?
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 12:54 PM
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6. Hey I'd email the Chinese doctor. It's WAY cheaper and he's on a tear.
Leave it to the Chinese to trump us on this one.

Provided it's truly successful....
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 01:00 PM
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9. same in laws took daughter to Japan for abortion
that's the hypocritical mentality.

definitely looking into this guy.
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 01:11 PM
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11. They should've gone to China
Might have been used by the good daughter.

Your in-laws really suck. I'm sorry you have to put up with them in addition to the pain your husband experiences.
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jasmeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 12:55 PM
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7. Most outrageous part...
Edited on Wed Dec-01-04 12:55 PM by jasmeel
"I don't agree with abortion, but it will happen anyway. In the US, we do abortions but don't use the cells. In China, they don't just take life and destroy it - they give something back. It's like lemonade out of lemons. You take something bad and you make it good." Such reasoning requires a moral somersault, but it is one that can be done easily in China. That is enough to generate hope."

Why would it be that we don't use the cells? Anyone? Oh yeah, because of dumbshits like you.
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 01:01 PM
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10. That part caught my atttention too
I just think it is so unethical and backward thinking not to use those stem-cells from fetuses that are legally aborted. I'm speechless. In the face of success, some turn a blind eye, but will take advantage of the situation when it serves them.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 01:22 PM
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12. This story needs wide circulation!
we should be happy -- it's what we said all along: we will all benefit from stem-cell research. Maybe the cells will cure Golden of his anti-choice views (but I won't hold my breath). His story might cure many in the populace of such views.
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 01:34 PM
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13. It's his exceptionalism, you see. For him, "it is not ordained."
Like our esteemed fake president, this man feels the rules apply only to those other people. Moral somersaults INDEED.

"...Among them is Van Golden, a Christian, anti-abortion Texan who has sold his house so that he can travel to communist, atheist China and have Huang inject a million cells from the nasal area of a foetus into his spine. According to Golden's doctors, his spine was damaged beyond repair in a car crash last Christmas. The damage to his nervous system was so bad that he has been in a wheelchair and racked by spasms ever since. But Golden refused to give up, even if it meant having to compromise his values. "This is the only place that offered us any hope," he says. "Everyone else offered only to help make me sufficient in that chair. But the chair is not my destiny. It is not ordained."
...
It cannot be easy for a man of his beliefs to be in China, where the government's one-child policy is partly responsible for millions of abortions each year. But instead of shunning the system, Golden believes his only hope is to embrace it. There is nowhere else he could get foetal cells. "I wish there was another way they could do it. There are 4,000 abortions a day in the US. Partial-birth ones are murder on a most terrible level. What they are doing here is a whole lot more humane. Four thousand a day. That's a waste. Something good should come out of something bad. The people who don't believe that aren't in a wheelchair."

...Golden's Christian wife, Debbie, also sees Huang as an idealist... "I don't agree with abortion, but it will happen anyway. In the US, we do abortions but don't use the cells. In China, they don't just take life and destroy it - they give something back. It's like lemonade out of lemons. You take something bad and you make it good." Such reasoning requires a moral somersault, but it is one that can be done easily in China..."
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 01:38 PM
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14. Meanwhile, our medical technology and research heads back into
Dark Ages lead by the unholy Christo-Republican Right. A real sad vision for our children's future.
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Ducks In A Row Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 01:50 PM
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15. it's like the pro-life women who get abortions because it's different...
when it's "your inconvenience"

(not that I think any abortion is ever done for "convenience")

pro-life women make me sick with their hypocrisy, so why should a pro-life man be different when it's something he can "kill a pre-born baby" for.
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comsymp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 02:04 PM
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16. Interesting study in hypocrisy
Besides the American couple's awe-inspiring rationalizations, I think this part is my favorite:

"According to Golden's doctors, his spine was damaged beyond repair in a car crash last Christmas. The damage to his nervous system was so bad that he has been in a wheelchair and racked by spasms ever since. But Golden refused to give up, even if it meant having to compromise his values. "This is the only place that offered us any hope," he says. "Everyone else offered only to help make me sufficient in that chair. But the chair is not my destiny. It is not ordained."

... so much for "God's will"~


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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 07:10 PM
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20. You gotta love it. Where do these people come from? Hell?
n/t
I'm so sorry for people who say they are "Texans". Sick, sorry bunch of m'f's. Sorry, don't want to offend anyone.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 06:17 PM
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17. Kick...
:kick:
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 06:43 PM
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18. Kick
Edited on Wed Dec-01-04 06:48 PM by Maestro


Edit: CBS Nightly News just picked up the story. I just saw an interview with a 19 year snowboarder who is paralyzed but one day after surgery now has feeling in parts of his leg. Incredible. The story can not be ignored. God, sometimes the US is so assbackwards when it comes to medical research.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 07:24 PM
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21. Thank "god"! No, CBS!
It's just too bizarre to be missed.
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 07:05 PM
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19. Kick -nt
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:10 PM
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22. Do you know the story of the Texas Attorney General?
Sad story, really. Poor guy was out jogging, and a tree fell on him. How horrible! He was paralyzed from the waist down (I think - I know he uses a wheelchair). Anyway, he sued the owner of the property and won a large settlement. Fine, he's permanently affected. Now, what side do you think he took in the "tort reform" debate? That's right - your life is worth only $250,000 but his injury was worth millions.

Hypocrisy? Welcome to the Texas Republican Party.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:14 PM
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23. No I hadn't heard that. Have to say though, with his stance on "torts"...
...fuck him and the wheelchair he rolled in on.

I have zero sympathy for shithead hypocrites like that.
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:43 PM
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24. Exactly my feelings on the subject.
To hell with Greg Abbott and people like him. Bastards.
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scarlett1 Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:54 PM
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27. and a dead prized bull is worth more than a dead human being
True especially in states like Kansas, Texas etc. if the person dies the family will receive less than if the person lives even for a few minutes. pain and suffering is worth quite a bit, as it should be.

and the Republicans hate trial Lawyers. Hypocrites.
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 10:39 AM
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30. I didn't know that.
Edited on Thu Dec-02-04 10:40 AM by Maestro
Which AG was it? :shrug: Typical though and highly believable coming from the Texas repuke party.

Edit: Saw who it was. What an ass!
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scarlett1 Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:47 PM
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25. Hypocrite
one word: hypocrite
Just a Hypocrite who changes his tune when it effects him personally.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 08:52 PM
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26. How much you wanna bet he gets healthy and starts protesting
abortion clinics in the US again? Son of a bitch.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 09:15 PM
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28. "...because of a wreck and some paralysis..."
I find that sentiment extremely offensive, no matter who the fuck you are referring to!

A little bit of paralysis is a not so bad thing to you?

ESAD
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-01-04 09:50 PM
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29. Sorry, I understand it was crude, but the hypocrisy is more vile in my...
Edited on Wed Dec-01-04 09:53 PM by JanMichael
...opinion.

I personally agree with the methods that the Chinese doctor is using, it's important to alleviate suffering, I do not however agree with the Texan asshole which has rationalised his views due to his circumstances.

No offense was intended to those who suffer but are not total and complete hypocrites.

My sincerest apologies if I inadvertantly offended you.
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 10:42 AM
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31. He was referring to the hypocrisy!!!!!!!!!!
Lighten up!
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geomon666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 12:04 PM
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32. ...
"Everyone else offered only to help make me sufficient in that chair. But the chair is not my destiny. It is not ordained."

Oh f*** you man. F*** you and everyone like you.
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