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Vote4Kerry Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:49 AM
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Madsen sent me an email about fraud article..Here's what it said
Got this today from Wayne:

"Okay.. they need to concentrate on rigging and closed off/secured vote counting sites in Texas, Ohio, California, and Florida. Any irregularities concerning techies, especially Diebold, should be reported (to me or Joan's network). The Democrats are aware of more details of this story but for me, as a jorno, I can't yet name names because I have to gather more evidence and make this story libel proof. The national vote padding for Bush (the 3 million margin) happened primarily in Texas, Florida, and California.

thanks

wayne madsen"
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Ardee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:53 AM
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1. wait a hold it
I can understand Florida, but Texas was a lock for Bush and Cali the same for Kerry...what point wasting time and risking discovery in states that were not important....?
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:57 AM
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3. Padded Popular vote supports "mandate"
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:57 AM
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4. best place to pad if popular vote is as important as elecoral vote
imo
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cindyw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:59 AM
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6. Cali and Tex are the perfect place to play with the vote if you are trying
to pad the vote precisely because they are uncontested and no one would bother to contest the elections there.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:03 AM
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9. Vote padding is done where the votes are - and I guess CA was
"safe" despite the random precinct recount rule I am told they have in CA.

I wonder if that random recount rule still exists - and if so when the random recount is done - and how it is done - and how easy is it to bury the results, if need be.

Texas is ideal for vote padding - and Ohio needed it to get the win - so the game in Ohio was to do it in a way that could not be challenged - and the vote techs from Diebold removing machines and replacing machines during the day seems to be a great starting point.

I suspect the $39 million check is - as Countdown noted - proof of nothing - and a distraction.

The Techs must talk - why the games with the voting machines - and if a "just install this fix" order - they we will at least get to the likely very very small group that actually did the conspiracy to steal the election.
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Ardee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:30 AM
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11. Having read and considered
the four responses I must say that the purpose of defrauding the electorate would be to win the election. Padding the vote assumes that Bush considered the victory to be a lock, which of course it wasnt.
As we live with the dumb system requiring electoral college votes i would think that any criminal intent would focus upon winning those crucial votes. It's sort of like robbing a bank and then shoplifting in the five and dime store while escaping.....far to stupid for a Rove inspired plot.....but then, what do I know?
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:01 PM
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17. They were multi-tasking their "faith based" election goals
Subtract numbers in key, pivotal swing states to win the Electoral College.

Add numbers in areas unlikely to be put under a microscopic recount to win the popular vote.

Pray the citizens will not scrutinize too closely the state-by-state results and/or exit polls. Just pray the neo-conservative right is able to sell the results as a faith-based result. If they do, promote them to prestigous positions within the administration.
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Ardee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:17 PM
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18. If you say so, I guess
Not that I'm gullible you understand, but it just seems a more useful strategy to analyze and understand why this election was close enough to steal in the first place.....shouldnt have been considering the last four years.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:43 PM
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20. they had it in play to steal ohio and florida
Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 12:44 PM by seabeyond
florida didnt take much effort. brother bush being there and practice in 2000 and 2002. ohio on the other hand, we watched for a good month, a little more, the republicans working in many different angles to keep dems from voting, voter intimidation, not putting machines in poor areas, bad ballots, votes being given to bush, registerations being thrown away...........

they had it in to steal there too

it is an illusion to suggest voters ever had a chance to elect kerry
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Jazzgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:36 AM
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12. I don't think *shrub won in Texas by as big a margin
as they say. I think if they were going to steal votes it would be easy to do it in Texas. Dallas, Austin, San Antonio, and El Paso all went for Kerry. It would be easy to take some of those Kerry votes and "shift" them to *shrub. I had a bad feeling about that when I voted. I know too many people here who didn't vote for *shrub. Even the Crawford paper endorsed Kerry and the mayor there is a democrat! No one would think to question a *shrub win in Texas though.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:52 AM
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16. it wasnt about electorial, it was about popular vote too
it was across the nation, so many states. this is what i keep saying, being in texas, and seeing in the south votes straight ticket dems, going to dems in all races and a vote for bush in presidency. was being reported in the beginning, of the two week early voting, both texas and new mexico. was to gain the popular vote, they ciphered votes everywhere they could to get the damn mandate shit

i have wanted them to include all, not just go after ohio and florida, way bigger than that
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Cherie59 Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:55 AM
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2. this thread should be on election results and discussion
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cindyw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:57 AM
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5. Bush picked up a million extra votes on Kerry than on Gore here in Cali.
Unbelievable. That would help pad that 3 million.
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Cherie59 Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:01 AM
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7. Thanks vote for Kerry for putting this on the election results thread!
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Vote4Kerry Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:03 AM
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8. No problem
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Vote4Kerry Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:29 AM
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10. Here is Madsen's email in case you've got questions
Here is Wayne Madsen's email in case you've got questions/comments:

WMadsen777@aol.com
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Shopaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:52 AM
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13. What's this guy's background?
Anyone know?
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:55 AM
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14. Just as I said....110K votes x 31 states = 3.41 million mandate
smaller amounts in smaller states, with the bulk coming from FL,CA,TX and I would bet NJ too.. remembet the last minute "campaigning" there?? It's a "cover", so that they could add in extra votes...Just like the strategically places "stories" about *² gaining strength in CA..hogwash..but necessary to explain the "extra" votes..
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Vote4Kerry Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:22 AM
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15. Madsen just sent me second email! Please read! Asks for our help!
Here is Wayne's second email:

"Something else you could post:

This may be hard to ascertain but it is important. Did anyone working any polls as workers or monitors notice any questionable vote machine technicians who had heavy foreign accents, in particular Spanish or Eastern European-sounding (Russian, especially)? Were they asked for IDs by poll workers. Did any have trouble producing IDs?

Did anyone who worked the California recall election in 2002 notice anything similar to the above?

California 2002 may have been a testbed for 2004. A number of the planted "techies" in question may not have been US citizens but from Mexico, Brazil, Russia or Russian emigres to Israel.

This question primarily applies to polling places in Florida, Ohio, Texas and California. But if anyone in other states picked up on any of this, it is important to find out about that as well."

If you have any information about this, please send it to WMadsen777@aol.com
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Vote4Kerry Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:42 PM
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19. Correction to one of Madsen's emails (just sent to me)
Wayne wanted me to post this correction to one of his earlier emails:

"One more thing? -- could you correct a typo is my last post -- that should have read California Recall 2003 not 2002. If anyone noticed any similar problems with election techs -- as previously stated -- in the October 7, 2003 election it may be pertinent to what happened there and in other states in 2004. Especially in the Counties of Kern, Plumas, Alameda, Riverside, & Shasta.

w.m."
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