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FM Arouet666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 07:36 PM
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Alan Colmes????
Edited on Sat Nov-27-04 07:51 PM by FM Arouet666
I was called into work last night about 2:30 am and turned on the radio in a futile attempt to stay awake. To my surprise, I hear some guy claiming the the GOP was behind 9-11, Bush and Co. knew the attack was coming and allowed it to occur to capitalize on a national tragedy to justify going into Iraq.

The radio program was Alan Colmes on Fox. Personally, I have never been very impressed with him, seems weak and too submissive.

My impression is that Fox is placing Colmes in late night slots and encourages extreme views so as to paint liberals in a poor light. The marginalized token liberal of Faux News?:think:

What a great idea, get some stooge to claim to be a liberal, than give him a show and have him pander to the right or present extreme views to validate the rights opinion of liberalism. This, with the added benefit of claiming equal air time, fair and balanced.:puke:

Someone, please correct me if my assessment is wrong. I don't listen to his show and really don't have that much exposure to his politics. If my assessment is correct, how can we be more proactive in denouncing another attempt by the right to define the democratic party and liberalism.

As for extreme views, the GOP certainly has taken advantage of 9-11. Pretty convenient, yes, pretty damn convenient.:grr:

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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 07:41 PM
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1. I disagree. One radical guest does not a radical show make. NT
NT
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 07:49 PM
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4. Oh so it wasn't a Government plot.
No 9/11 wasn't a New Pearl Harbor or anything.:scared:
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Conservativesux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 07:41 PM
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2. Alan Colmes is a Cherry-Picked Sellout, with no B**lls!!!!...
He's Hannity's trained monkey.

All Fox needs is an Organ Grinder.
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cruadin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 08:24 PM
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11. I agree that Alan Colmes comes across as weak as water...
next to Hannity, which is exactly why he's the "house liberal" on Faux News.
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Lenape85 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 08:45 PM
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14. I think he voted for Bush
...but that's just me
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FM Arouet666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:42 AM
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26. Strong liberal values...
Just like that incontinent Alzheimer's nut case Zell "if I only had a brain" Miller.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:01 PM
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36. I thought O'Reilly was the organ grinder. n/t
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 07:45 PM
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3. no, Alan Colmes has alot of RWers on his show
and he's not a liberal. He said himself that he's a moderate.
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cloud75 Donating Member (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 07:56 PM
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5. if fox wants fair and balanced
they should put ganine garaphaloe sorry i don't know how to spell her name but everytime she's on sean insanity's show (radio) she is great.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 08:05 PM
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6. You mean Ganine Garafalo? If so she is one beautiful lady.
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cloud75 Donating Member (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 08:09 PM
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8.  yes her she is awesome , thanks for the spelling n/t
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 09:36 PM
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15. janeane garofalo. you're welcome :) n/t
Edited on Sat Nov-27-04 09:38 PM by NuttyFluffers
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drdtroit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:00 PM
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35. Actually Janeane Garafolo n/t
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Dimsdale Donating Member (466 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 08:06 PM
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7. Janeane Garofalo. n/t
Edited on Sat Nov-27-04 08:08 PM by Dimsdale
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cloud75 Donating Member (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 08:10 PM
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9. thanks n/t
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 08:11 PM
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10. She wouldn't do it for a few reasons. First, she hates Hannity...
and assholes like him and wouldn't want to be around them too long (i don't blame her). Also, she knows cable news is stacked against Democrats and it'll be like 3 pukes vs her in nearly every debate.
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FM Arouet666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 08:31 PM
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12. Thanks all for the spelling of JANEANE GAROFALO n/t
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 08:44 PM
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13. I dont care if Pat Paulson, was on its still fox.the shut up channel
Edited on Sat Nov-27-04 08:46 PM by orpupilofnature57
rover pooch thunk it up I'll bet.
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Lone_Wolf_Moderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 10:04 PM
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16. I like Alan Colmes. He is the token liberal on Fox,
but he is an authentic liberal. He does have the problem of being way-too-passive when dealing with the Right. He just sits there sometimes and lets Hannity walk all over him, and interrupt guests. They don't call it Hannity and Colmes for nothing.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 11:30 PM
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20. I strongly DISLIKE Alan Colmes. He is a LIAR.
Edited on Sat Nov-27-04 11:37 PM by UdoKier
He has stated on MANY occasions, when asked OFF Fox news, he has conceded that he is not a liberal, but a MODERATE. IE a center-right DINO democrat. And yet, he lets shitbag Hannity and the Fox propaganda channel refer to him as a 'liberal' which he is not, and then he doesn't even stand up for his watered-down moderate beliefs. By doing so, he his consciously lending credence to Fox's outright LIE that they are "fair and balanced".

Rupert Murdoch even points to him and Greta Van Facelift as "liberals" on Fox. Greta, whatever she is NEVER opines on politics, and Colmes' role is basically to nod in semi-agreement with Hannity's ludicrous, far-right rhetoric, then say "well, you make a GREAT point, but don't you think we could just PRIVATIZE social security rather than executing all pensioners and abolishing the program, Sean?"

I despise him for validating the unconscionable.
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Lone_Wolf_Moderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:02 AM
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23. As a moderate myself, if its true that Colmes is a moderate,
then that in itself isn't bad. You do have a point about balance though. Hannity is unabashedly far-right, and Colmes is a moderate, so there's no real balance. The fact is, neither you, nor I, nor Ted Kennedy could balance Hannity, in terms of ideology. Hannity's so far right, that you'd need someone like Noam Chomsky or Gore Vidal, to balance Hannity's far-right slant.
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FM Arouet666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:20 AM
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25. I just cannot trust him
it is not a matter of his political flavor, liberal vs. moderate. He has been chosen for the Hannity and colmes show because his presence gives a veneer of balance, while playing up negative liberal or moderate stereotypes. His sincerity is irrelevant. Whether he know it or not, he is a stooge.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:58 AM
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27. I agree with that, but what he does *IS* bad.
I agree that there is nothing wrong with being a moderate, and Colmes is that - right in between the mainstream of thought of the two parties.

But what he does is scummy, sleazy and dishonest in that he goes along with the pretense that the views he puts out are LIBERAL (when they're not) and tries to lend credence to Fox's lie that they are fair and balanced. Even CNN and MSNBC are right-wing. Fox is extreme right-wing, even though it is veiled to an extent.

He even had the nerve to title his books "Red White and Liberal".

If he called it "I'm not a traitor just 'cuz I disagree slightly with Bush", I'd respect him more.
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 06:07 AM
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28. Me too. :-) Moderation is not Colme's problem -- he's not rude enouge.
Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 06:07 AM by jamboi
A lot of what make it hard for Colmes is not Hannity's ideology which I agree is quite extreme, its his obnoxious tactics. He shouts people down, he ignores their points, talks over the top of them, is incredibly rude, while Colmes is much more polite -- if that come from being moderate then good for him. I have seen him get increasingly militant though, and he's sticking up for his position much more now than when I first saw him.
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Lone_Wolf_Moderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:09 PM
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32. He has gotten more aggressive in recent days.
He does have this tendency to let Hannity run the ship, and just sit back and be passive and relaxed. He's gotten better recently, though.
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FM Arouet666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 09:39 PM
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33. If he gets too aggressive, his days are numbered. n/t
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Lone_Wolf_Moderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 10:53 PM
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34. Indeed.
The moment he goes against Fox, he's vaporized, Orwell's 1984 style.
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 10:21 PM
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17. Who benefitted from 9-11?
Thin long and hard - whose agenda has now been thoroughly implemented. An agenda that could never have been pressed on the freedom loving Americans if it wasn't for 9-11.

You don't think these bastards are willing to sacrifice a few thousand American lives to achieve their ends? Come on! They'll poison you slowly with pollution and laugh all the way to the bank!
They've been doing that for decades!

Put nothing past these evil spawn of Satan.

Nothing.

http://www.policestate21.com/

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FM Arouet666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 10:33 PM
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18. The thought scares the Sh$# out of me
but, who can deny that the GOP has exploited 911 on many fronts. Passive inaction or active participation does not seem beyond the Neocon ideologues.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 10:33 PM
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19. That BushCo knew about 9-11, let it happen, then exploited it is extreme?
I thought it was pretty much incontrovertible fact.

"I believe the memo was titled "Bin Laden determined to strike inside the United States".

And as for exploiting it, they have milked it like crazy.

I don't know about Colmes' radio show, but he's a worthless idiot on TV.
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:01 AM
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21. I've thought that maybe we should offer Colmes some support. Afterall
it has to be awfully lonely on H & C. He seems sincere to me, though not obnoxious enough to really counter Hannity.
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FM Arouet666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 01:07 AM
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24. Or is he a stooge?
I personally don't trust anyone on Faux news. He could simply be a patsy who supports the right wing by masquerading as a liberal. ????
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:12 PM
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38. Colmes has enough whore $$$ to keep him company...
Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 11:13 PM by mitchum
so I doubt that he gets very lonely. He may not be a gutless patsy, but he certainly plays one on TV. He can go to hell.
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flying_monkeys Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 12:14 AM
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22. Colmes is not a liberal
He is a wannabe mouth-piece getting paid well to play foil to Hannity. I don't think Colmes can think his way out of a paper bag...
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 06:12 AM
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29. Colmes is a really bad actor.








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FM Arouet666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 05:19 PM
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30. Bad actor, bad hair, weak voice, tower of jello. n/t
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 05:29 PM
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31. colmes is an adequate debater, the problem is framing
every topic on hannity and colmes is designed to put him on defense. every 'hannity and colmes special investigation' is to diig up supposed dirt on democrats.

if the show were truly a left-right ebate show, colmes would get to introduce topics of discussion as much as hannity

besides, alan is a moderate and not a leftist anyway. and he's too nice for sean's pitbull demeaner.

"hannity and maher" or "hannity and rhodes"-now that would be a debate program
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 11:08 PM
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37. My little sister needs to beat the shit out of Colmes...
I despise that gutless tool
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