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Blue Dog Dem Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 08:30 AM
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Why do we support Clinton so?
Why do we support Clinton so? Every since we elected him our ideas have been attacked and our party has lost election after election.

Sure, we all like the guy, but damn, we are getting eaten alive since he came to be our leader.
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 08:32 AM
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1. Bullshit - he was one of the best presidents we have ever had
and would have been able to accomplish much-much more had they not gone after him from the time he first announced his was running. I hope they change the law so he can run again - I sure as hell would vote for him.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 08:33 AM
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2. he is the last dem president. We are eaten alive not BECAUSE of him
Edited on Sat Nov-20-04 08:34 AM by robbedvoter
I don't like much his recent ideas, but daym! he is the embodiment of "good old times" And if you blame him for the fascist take-over, you'll have to study more history. Clinton slowed them down for 8 years - it may turn out to be his greatest accomplishment!
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 08:36 AM
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3. Now your "question" is just silly.
Our ideas have always been attacked, long before and now after Clinton. And, until the Big Dawg marched onto the scene, we had taken quite a hefty electoral thumping too. He won two presidential elections, fair and square, in case you missed it.

He's simply the best we got, battlewounds and all. Actually, he's the best THERE is on either side.

Frankly, i must question the sincerity of your question. Trying to stir the pot a bit, eh?
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Blue Dog Dem Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:26 AM
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39. True, all ideas are attacked
but our are not just being attacked, they are LOSING.....

We have better ideas, ours are based upon FACTS, and they result in a better life for all. Our ideas are the ideas of the middle class, but instead of the right ideas being accepted, the freepers have this cool looking ship carrying poison, but it looks like a great ship, so people vote for it.

We got this shit hole of a ship carrying GOLD, but the ship looks like shit, so we lose.

Now everyone loves this old ship, they remember when she was new and pristine, and the fastest thing around, so with great nostalgia they client to it.

I say find another ship, the one we are on is sinking.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 08:36 AM
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4. We like him because of his accomplishments
Clinton-Gore Administration Accomplishments: 1993 - 2000- Memories

http://clinton3.nara.gov/WH/Accomplishments/summary.htm...

Longest Economic Expansion in U.S. History. In February 2000, the United States entered the 107th consecutive month of economic expansion -- the longest economic expansion in history.

Moving From Record Deficits to Record Surplus. In 1992, the deficit was $290 billion, a record dollar high. In 2000, we have a projected budget surplus of $167 billion -- the largest dollar surplus on record (even after adjusting for inflation) and the largest as a share of our economy since 1951. This is the first time we have had three surpluses in a row in more than a half century.

Paying Off the National Debt. We are on track to pay down $297 billion of debt over three years. In 1998 and 1999, we paid down $140 billion in debt. This year, we are on track to pay down $157 billion of debt bringing the three-year total to $297 billion. Public debt is $2.4 trillion lower in 2000 than was projected in 1993. Debt reduction brings real benefits for the American people -- a family with a home mortgage of $100,000 might expect to save roughly $2,000 per year in mortgage payments. Reduced debt also means lower interest rates and reduced payments on car loans and student loans. With the President's plan, we are now on track to eliminate the nation's publicly held debt by 2013.

Over 21 Million New Jobs. 21.2 million new jobs have been created since 1993, the most jobs ever created under a single Administration -- and more new jobs than Presidents Reagan and Bush created during their three terms. 92 percent (19.4 million) of the new jobs have been created in the private sector, the highest percentage in 50 years. Under President Clinton and Vice President Gore, the economy has added an average of 248,000 jobs per month, the highest under any President. This compares to 52,000 per month under President Bush and 167,000 per month under President Reagan.

Fastest and Longest Real Wage Growth in Over Three Decades. In the last 12 months, average hourly earnings have increased 3.7 percent -- faster than the rate of inflation. The United States has had five consecutive years of real wage growth -- the longest consecutive increase since the 1960s. Since 1993, real wages are up 6.8 percent, after declining 4.3 percent during the Reagan and Bush years.

Unemployment Is Nearly the Lowest in Three Decades. Unemployment is down from 7.5 percent in 1992 to 4.1 percent in March 2000 -- nearly the lowest unemployment rate in thirty years. The unemployment rate has fallen for seven years in a row, and has remained below 5 percent for 33 months in a row. African-American unemployment has fallen from 14.2 percent in 1992 to 7.3 percent in March 2000 -- the lowest rate on record. The unemployment rate for Hispanics has fallen from 11.6 percent in 1992 to 6.3 percent in March 2000 -- and in the last year has been at the lowest rate on record. For women the unemployment rate was 4.3 percent in March -- nearly the lowest since 1953.

Highest Homeownership Rate in History. In 1999, the homeownership rate was 66.8 percent -- the highest ever recorded. Minority homeownership rates were also the highest ever recorded.

Lowest Poverty Rate in Two Decades. The poverty rate has fallen from 15.1 percent in 1993 to 12.7 percent in 1998. That's the lowest poverty rate since 1979 and the largest five-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years (1965-1970). The African-American poverty rate has dropped from 33.1 percent in 1993 to 26.1 percent in 1998 -- the lowest level ever recorded and the largest five-year drop in African-American poverty in more than a quarter century (1967-1972). The poverty rate for Hispanics is at the lowest level since 1979, and dropped to 25.6 percent in 1998.

Largest Five-Year Drop in Child Poverty Rate Since the 60s. Under President Clinton and Vice President Gore, child poverty has declined from 22.7 percent in 1993 to 18.9 percent in 1998 -- the biggest five-year drop in nearly 30 years. The poverty rate for African-American children has fallen from 46.1 percent in 1993 to 36.7 percent in 1998 -- a level that is still too high, but is the lowest level in 20 years and the biggest five-year drop on record. The rate also fell for Hispanic children, from 36.8 percent to 34.4 percent and is now 6.5 percentage points lower than it was in 1993.

Families and Communities: Strengthening Americas Working Families

Tax Cuts for Working Families. 15 million additional working families received additional tax relief because of the Presidents expansion of the Earned Income Tax Credit. In 1998, the EITC lifted 4.3 million people out of poverty double the number lifted out of poverty by the EITC in 1993. This year, the President proposed expanding the EITC to provide tax relief to an additional 6.8 million hard-pressed working families.

Helping Parents Balance Work and Family. The Family and Medical Leave Act allows workers to take up to 12 weeks of unpaid leave to care for seriously ill family members, new born or adoptive children, or their own serious health problems without fear of losing their jobs. Nearly 91 million workers (71% of the labor force) are covered by the Family and Medical Leave Act and millions of workers have benefited from FMLA since its enactment. President Clinton has proposed expanding FMLA to allow workers to take up to 24 unpaid hours off each year for school and early childhood education activities, routine family medical care, and caring for an elderly relative.

Improved Access to Affordable, Quality Child Care and Early Childhood Programs. Under the Clinton-Gore Administration, federal funding for child care has more than doubled, helping parents pay for the care of about 1.5 million children in 1998, and the1996 welfare reform law increased child care funding by $4 billion over six years to provide child care assistance to families moving from welfare to work. Since 1993, the Clinton-Gore Administration has increased funding for the Head Start program by 90 percent, and in FY 2000, the program will serve approximately 880,000 children over 160,000 more children than in 1993.

Increased the Minimum Wage. The minimum wage has risen from $4.25 to $5.15 per hour, increasing wages for 10 million workers. The President and Vice President have called for an additional increase to $6.15.

Enacted the Workforce Investment Act. The Workforce Investment Act reformed the nations employment and training system so that it works better for today's workers. The WIA empowered individuals by giving adults more control and choice over their training or retraining and providing universal access to core labor market services; streamlined job training services by consolidating a tangle of individual programs into a simple system and creating a nationwide network of One-Stop Career Centers; enhanced accountability through tough performance standards for states, localities, and training providers; and increased flexibility so that states can innovate and experiment with new ways to train America's workers better.

Signed the Landmark Work Incentives Improvement Act. Americans with disabilities often become ineligible for Medicaid or Medicare if they work, forcing a choice between health care and employment. The Work Incentives Improvement Act keeps people with disabilities from losing their Medicare or Medicaid health coverage when they go to work. It also includes a $250 million demonstration, which the President insisted on fully funding, that allows people with disabilities who are still working and are not yet sufficiently disabled to qualify for Medicaid to buy into the program.

Signed the Adoption and Safe Families Act. The Adoption and Safe Families Act, which was based in large part on the recommendations of the Clinton-Gore Administration's Adoption 2002 report, made sweeping changes in adoption law so that thousands of children in foster care move more quickly into safe and permanent homes. In 1998, 36,000 children in foster care were adopted, up from 28,000 in 1996. This is the first significant increase in adoption since the national foster care program was established nearly 20 years ago.

Enacted the Foster Care Independence Act. Nearly 20,000 young people leave foster care each year when they reach age 18 without an adoptive family or other guardian. The Foster Care Independence Act will ensure that those young people will get the tools they need to make the most of their lives by providing them better educational opportunities, access to health care, training, housing assistance, counseling, and other services.

Putting Families First. The President and Vice President developed and implemented first-ever plan to protect our children from tobacco and end tobacco marketing targeted to young people. They also required the installation of V-chips in all new televisions, and encouraged schools to adopt school uniform policies to deter school violence and promote discipline.

Supporting Community Service. In just five years, AmeriCorps has allowed 150,000 young people to serve in their communities while earning money for college or skills training.

President's One America Initiative. President Clinton has led the nation in an effort to become One America: a place where we respect others differences and embrace the common values that unite us. The President has been actively involved in public outreach efforts to engage Americans in this historic effort, and followed up on the work of the Initiative on Race by appointing Robert B. (Ben) Johnson as Assistant to the President and Director of the new White House Office on the Presidents Initiative for One America. The office is working to ensure that we have a coordinated strategy to close the opportunity gaps that exist for minorities and the underserved in this country, and build the One America we want for all of our nations children. The Presidents FY 2001 budget includes $5 million for One America dialogues to promote and facilitate discussions on racial diversity and understanding. President Clinton has appointed the most diverse Cabinet and White House staff in history, presiding over an Administration that looks like America. Welcoming New Americans. Since 1993, the United States has welcomed 4.4 million new American citizens. Faced with this unprecedented number of applications, the Administration undertook an initiative that has significantly reduced the backlog of citizenship applications and is restoring timely processing. Furthermore, the Administrations English as a Second Language/Civics Education Initiative will provide limited English speaking adults with instruction in both English literacy and critical life skills necessary for effective citizenship and civic participation.

Providing Fairness for Legal Immigrants. The President believes that legal immigrants should have the same economic opportunity and bear the same responsibility as other members of society. In 1997 and 1998, the President fought for and succeeded in restoring disability, health and nutritional benefits for certain legal immigrants, and he will continue to press for additional restorations.

Education: Largest Investment in Education in 30 Years

Opening the Doors of College to All Americans. In 1997, President Clinton proposed and passed the HOPE Scholarships and Lifetime Learning tax credits to provide tax relief to nearly 13 million Americans each year who are struggling to pay for college. The Hope Scholarship helps make the first two years of college universally available to about 5.6 million students annually by providing a tax credit of up to $1,500 for tuition and fees for the first two years of college. The Lifetime Learning tax credit provides a 20 percent tax credit on the first $5,000 of tuition and fees for students beyond the first two years of college, or those taking classes part-time (in 2003, this increases to $10,000 of tuition and fees). In his FY01 budget, the President has proposed to expand the Lifetime Learning tax credit with a 10-year, $30 billion College Opportunity tax cut, which will give families the option of taking a tax deduction or claiming a 28 percent credit for the first $5,000 of college tuition and fees until 2002, and $10,000 thereafter.

Expanding Work Study and Pell Grants. One million students will be able to work their way through college because of the President's expansion of the Work Study Program, and nearly four million students will receive a Pell Grant of up to $3,300, the largest maximum award ever. The maximum award has increased 43 percent under the Clinton-Gore Administration. This year President Clinton proposed a $77 million increase in Work Study to continue to support one million awards, and a $200 increase in the Pell Grant maximum award, to raise it to $3,500.

Making College More Affordable. The Clinton-Gore Administration has cut student fees and interest rates on all loans, expanded repayment options including income contingent repayment, and improved service through the Direct Loan Program. Students have saved $8.7 billion since 1993 through the reduction in loan fees and interest rates.

More High-Quality Teachers with Smaller Class Sizes. The Clinton-Gore Administration won a second installment of $1.3 billion for the Presidents plan to hire an additional 100,000 well-prepared teachers to reduce class size in the early grades, when children learn to read and master the basic skills. Already, 29,000 teachers have been hired through this initiative. This year's budget provides $1.75 billion, a $450 million increase -- enough to fund nearly 49,000 teachers.

Turning Around Failing Schools. 11 million low-income students in 13,000 school districts now benefit from higher expectations and a challenging curriculum geared to higher standards through Title I-Aid to Disadvantaged Students. The FY 2000 budget provides a $134 million accountability fund to help turn around the worst performing schools and hold them accountable for results through such measures as overhauling curriculum, improving staffing, or even closing schools and reopening them as charter schools. This year, the President is proposing to double funding for this fund to turn around the nation's failing schools to ensure all children receive a quality education.
Providing Safe After-School Opportunities for 850,000 Students Each Year. The 21st Century Community Learning Centers program will provide enriching after-school and summer school opportunities for 850,000 school-age children in rural and urban communities in FY 2000. Extended learning time has not only been shown to increase achievement in reading and math, but to decrease youth violence and drug use. Funding for this program more than doubled from FY 1999 to FY 2000. For FY 2001, the President's budget calls on Congress to invest $1 billion in the 21st Century Program and to ensure that all children in failing schools have access to quality after-school and summer school opportunities. This proposal will double funding and triple the number of students served to 2.5 million.

Expanding Choice and Accountability in Public Schools. The Clinton-Gore Administration has worked to expand public school choice and support the growth of public charter schools, which have increased from one public charter school in the nation when the President was first elected to more than 1,700. More than 250,000 students nationwide are now enrolled in charter schools in 30 states and the District of Columbia. The President won $145 million in FY 2000 -- and has proposed $175 million in his FY 2001 budget -- to continue working toward his goal of establishing 3,000 quality charter schools by 2002.

Teaching Every Child to Read by the 3rd Grade. The President challenged Americans to unite to be sure that every child can read well and independently by the third grade -- 1,400 colleges and universities took up his challenge, and 26,700 college work-study students now serve as reading tutors to help every child to read well and independently by the third grade.

Expanding Access to Technology. With the Vice President's leadership, the Clinton-Gore Administration has made increasing access to technology a top priority. The President and Vice President created the Technology Literacy Challenge Fund to help connect every school to the Internet, increase the number of multimedia computers in the classroom and provide technology training for teachers. They increased overall investments in educational technology from $23 million in 1993 to $769 million in FY 2000, and tripled funding for Community Technology Centers to reach at least 120 low-income communities. Through the E-rate program, they secured low-cost connections to the Internet for schools, libraries, rural health clinics and hospitals, benefiting more than 80 percent of America's public schools. They also increased investment in education research to ensure all children benefit from educational technology. In 1999, 95 percent of public schools were connected to the Internet -- up from just 35 percent in 1994.

Supporting Local Education Reform Efforts. The President signed the Education Flexibility Partnership Act of 1999 (Ed-Flex) into law in April 1999, giving all states greater flexibility in the use of federal education funds in exchange for greater accountability for helping all students reach high academic standards.

Establishing the GEAR-UP Mentoring Program for Middle School Children. President Clinton and Vice President Gore created and expanded GEAR-UP, a nationwide mentoring initiative, to help over 750,000 low-income middle school children finish school and prepare for college. The President's FY 2001 budget would expand services to 1.4 million students.

Providing Early Education to Nearly 900,000 Children with Head Start. The President and Vice President have expanded Head Start funding by 90 percent since 1993. Head Start will reach approximately 880,000 low-income children in FY 2000 and, with the President's proposed increase for the program, will be on the way to reaching the President's goal of serving 1 million children and their families by the year 2002. The Administration also created Early Head Start, bringing Head Start's successful comprehensive services to families with children ages zero to three, and set high quality standards for both programs.

Crime and Drugs: Lowest Crime Rates in 25 Years

Lowest Overall Crime Rate in 25 Years. Under the Clinton-Gore Administration, America has experienced the longest continuous drop in crime on record. Violent crime rate fell 7 percent in 1998 and 27 percent since 1993. The murder rate is down more than 25 percent since 1993, its lowest point since 1967. The overall crime rate is the lowest in 25 years.

Putting 100,000 More Police on the Streets. In 1999, ahead of schedule and under budget, the Clinton-Gore Administration met its commitment to fund an additional 100,000 police officers for our communities. As a part of the COPS Program, the President announced new grants to increase community policing in high-crime and underserved neighborhoods. To help keep crime at record lows, the President won funding for the first installment toward his goal to hire up to 50,000 more officers by 2005. This year, the Clinton-Gore budget includes over $1 billion to continue the successful COPS initiative to hire more officers, hire new community prosecutors, give police the tools they need to fight crime, and to fund community-wide crime fighting efforts.

More Than Half a Million Felons, Fugitives and Domestic Abusers Denied Guns. Since the President signed the Brady Bill into law, more than 500,000 felons, fugitives and domestic abusers have been prevented from purchasing guns. And the historic 1994 Crime Bill banned 19 of the deadliest assault weapons and their copies, keeping assault weapons off our streets. The homicide rate dropped 7 percent in 1998 almost entirely due to a decrease in homicides committed with guns. Since 1993, there has been a more than 35 percent drop in gun-related crime and a 57 percent decrease in juvenile gun homicide offenders.

Giving Police the Tools They Need to Fight Crime. President Clinton won $230 million in FY 2000 to provide law enforcement with the latest crime-fighting and crime-solving technology. This funding will help make crime mapping technology -- which enables police agencies to track crime hot spots and target their resources to where they are most needed -- more widely available, to improve compatibility among law enforcement communications systems, and aid development and expansion of innovative tools to help law enforcement fight crime.

Developed Comprehensive Anti-Drug Strategy Including a $195 Million National Youth Anti-Drug Media Campaign. The President appointed Barry McCaffrey, a four-star general, to lead the Clinton-Gore Administration's anti-drug strategy as the nations Drug Czar. Illicit drug use among young people age 12-17 declined from 1997 to 1998, and the average age of first-time use went up. Overall drug use is down since its peak in the 1970's, drug-related murders have fallen by 40 percent since 1992, and youth drug use is on the decline for the third straight year.

National Campaign Against Youth Violence. In August 1999, President Clinton announced the formation of an independent, national campaign to address the problem of youth violence. The Campaign plans to launch anti-violence activities including a major media campaign, concerts, town hall meetings, in- and after-school programs. The Campaign will also highlight effective youth violence initiatives in cities across the country.

Fighting Hate Crimes. The President enacted the Hate Crimes Sentencing Enhancement Act in 1994. He held the historic White House Conference on Hate Crimes, where he called for passage of the Hate Crimes Prevention Act -- bipartisan legislation which would strengthen hate crimes laws and make it clear that America will not tolerate acts of violence based on race, color, gender, national origin, religion, sexual orientation or disability.

Protecting Children from Sex Offenders. President Clinton signed Megans Law and the Jacob Wetterling Crimes Against Children and Sexually Violent Offender Registration Act, requiring states to set up sex offender registration systems and require community notification when sex offenders are released from prison.

Welfare Reform and Community Empowerment: Moving Millions of Americans from Welfare to Work

Lowest Number of People on Welfare Since 1969 as More Recipients Go to Work. President Clinton has kept his promise to reform the welfare system and move more Americans from welfare to work. The number of Americans on welfare is at its lowest level since 1969 as record numbers of people move from welfare to work. Since January 1993, the welfare rolls have fallen by more than half, from 14.1 million to 6.9 million. More than 1.3 million welfare recipients went to work in 1998 alone, and the percentage of adults still on welfare who were working reached 27 percent in 1998, compared to just 7 percent in 1992 -- nearly a fourfold increase. Through the Welfare to Work Partnership launched by the President, 12,000 businesses have hired 650,000 former welfare recipients since 1997.

Creating New Tools to Help Families Move from Welfare to Work. The 1997 Balanced Budget Act signed by President Clinton included $3 billion to move long-term welfare recipients and low-income non-custodial fathers into jobs. The Presidents Access to Jobs initiative helps communities design innovative transportation solutions, such as van services, to help former welfare recipients and other low-income workers get to work. President Clinton has secured 110,000 new housing vouchers in the last two years to help welfare recipients and hard-pressed working families move closer to job opportunities, and this year he is proposing $690 million for 120,000 new housing vouchers. And the Welfare-to-Work Tax Credit provides tax incentives to encourage businesses to hire long-term welfare recipients.

Nearly Doubled Child Support Collections. President Clinton signed into law the toughest child support crackdown in history. Federal and state child support programs broke new records in 1999, collecting $15.5 billion -- nearly double the amount collected in 1992. The number of paternities established rose to nearly 1.5 million in 1998 more than triple the number from 516,000 in 1992. The number of child support cases with collections rose 59 percent, from 2.8 million 1992 to 4.5 million in 1998.

Breaking the Cycle of Dependency. The teen birth rate has fallen seven years in a row, by 18 percent from 1991 to 1998. The teen pregnancy rate is now the lowest rate on record.

Child Abuse Declines for Five Years in a Row. In a trend which began five years ago, the number of children abused and neglected has decreased approximately 11 percent from a record 1,018,692 in 1993. While this represents progress, President Clinton and Vice President Gore continue to work to protect the health and well-being of America's children, and ending child abuse.

Expanded Investment in Urban and Rural Areas. The Clinton-Gore Administration created 31 rural and urban Empowerment Zones and more than 100 Enterprise Communities that have created new jobs, new opportunities and stronger communities.

Encouraging Investment in Underserved Communities with the New Markets Initiative. President Clinton's New Markets Initiative is helping to bring economic development and renewal to communities that have not benefited from the soaring economy. The President's New Markets Tour of underserved communities generated nearly $1 billion in private sector investment commitments. On his second New Markets trip, the President highlighted the role that universities, professional sports franchises, and agricultural cooperatives can play in bringing jobs and economic development to underserved communities. During the trip the President announced partnerships worth a total of nearly $200 million of dollars to underserved communities.

Providing Incentives to Save. President Clinton signed legislation creating Individual Development Accounts, providing incentives for low-income families to save for a first home, higher education, or to start a new business, a key part of his 1992 community empowerment agenda. In FY 1999, $10 million was awarded to establish savings accounts for over 10,000 low-income workers in 40 communities, and an additional $10 million will be awarded in FY 2000. The Presidents budget provides $25 million for IDAs in FY 2001 and proposes to allow low-income working families to use IDAs to save for a car that will allow them to get or keep a job.

Health Care: Increasing Access and Improving the Nation's Health

Enacted Most Comprehensive Medicare Reforms in History. In the 1997 Balanced Budget, the Clinton-Gore Administration protected, modernized and extended the life of the Medicare Trust Fund while offering new options for patient choice and preventive care. New preventive benefits passed include coverage of annual mammograms, coverage of screening tests for both colorectal and cervical cancer, and a diabetes self-management benefit. The President proposed a plan to reform and modernize Medicares benefits, including an optional prescription drug benefit that is affordable and available to all beneficiaries. The President has also proposed a reserve fund to help Medicare beneficiaries with extremely high prescription drug costs.

Extending the Life of the Medicare Trust Fund. When President Clinton and Vice President Gore took office, Medicare was expected to run out of money in 1999. Now, the life of the Trust Fund has been extended until 2023. Medicare is now in the soundest shape it has been since 1975.

Enacted Single Largest Investment in Health Care for Children since 1965. The five year, $24 billion State Childrens Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) will provide health care coverage for up to five million children. Two million children have already been enrolled, and in October 1999 President Clinton announced new outreach initiatives to enroll millions more uninsured, eligible children. Last year, the President launched a nationwide Insure Kids Now campaign that will bring together major TV and radio networks, healthcare organizations, religious groups and other community-based organizations to help enroll more children in the Children's Health Insurance Program, with the goal of enrolling 5 million of the estimated 10 million children eligible for health insurance under CHIP within 5 years. This year, the budget includes several of Vice President Gore's proposals to accelerate enrollment of children in CHIP. The President is also proposing a new FamilyCare program, which would give States the option to cover parents in the same plan as their children.

Passed Meaningful Health Insurance Reform. The President signed into law the Kennedy-Kassebaum Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, which helps individuals keep health insurance when they change jobs, guarantees renewability of coverage, and ensures access to health insurance for small businesses. As many as 25 million people will benefit from this law. The bill also eliminated the discriminatory tax treatment the of the approximately 10 million Americans who are self-employed; strengthened efforts to combat health care fraud, waste and abuse by creating a stable source of funding; and provided consumer protections and tax incentives for private long-term care insurance.

Enacted Historic Comprehensive FDA Reform that Expedited the Review and Approval of New Drug Products. The President signed into law the 1997 FDA Modernization Act that includes important measures to modernize and streamline the regulation of biological products; increase patient access to experimental drugs and medical devices; and accelerate review of important new medications. This reform builds on the administrative initiatives implemented under the Vice Presidents reinventing government effort which have led U.S. drug approvals to be as fast or faster than any other industrialized nation. Average drug approval times have dropped since the beginning of the Administration from almost three years to just over one year.

Signed Mental Health Parity Provisions into Law. To help eliminate discrimination against individuals with mental illnesses, the President signed into law mental health parity provisions to prohibit health plans from establishing separate lifetime and annual limits for mental health coverage. In 1999, the White House held the landmark, first-ever Conference on Mental Health and released the Surgeon Generals first Report on Mental Health. This year, the President's budget includes an investment of $100 million for mental health services, an increase of 16 percent over last years funding level and a 90 percent increase since 1993.

Signed Legislation to End Drive-Through Deliveries. President Clinton signed into law common sense legislation that requires health plans to allow new mothers to remain in the hospital for at least 48 hours following most normal deliveries and 96 hours after a Cesarean section.

Extended Strong, Enforceable Patient Protections for Millions of Americans. Leading by example, the President directed all federal agencies to ensure that their employees and beneficiaries have the benefits and rights guaranteed under the proposed Patients Bill of Rights. 85 million Americans covered by federal health plans have the security of knowing they will have fair access to health care thanks to the President's work. The President and Vice President have called for passage of the bipartisan Patients Bill of Rights Act, to ensure that all Americans have essential protections, such as guaranteed access to needed health care specialists; access to emergency room services when and where the need arises; continuity of care protections to assure patient care if a patients health care provider is dropped; access to a timely internal and independent external appeals process with a medical necessity standard; assurance that doctors and patients can openly discuss treatment options; and an enforcement mechanism that ensures recourse for patients who have been harmed as a result of health plan actions.

Fighting Medicare Fraud and Waste. Since 1993, the Clinton-Gore Administration has assigned more federal prosecutors and FBI agents to fight health care fraud than ever before. As a result, convictions have gone up a full 410 percent, saving more than $50 billion in health care claims. The Balanced Budget Act gave an array of new weapons in our fight to keep scam artists and fly-by-night health care out of Medicare and Medicaid.

Released Strong New Protections for the Privacy of Electronic Medical Records. The Clinton-Gore Administration released a new regulation to protect the privacy of electronic medical records held by health plans, health care clearinghouses, and health care providers. This rule would limit the use and release of private health information without consent; restrict the disclosure of protected health information to the minimum amount of information necessary; establish new requirements for disclosure of information to researchers and others seeking access to health records; and establish new administrative and criminal sanctions for the improper use or disclosure of private information.

Implementing Comprehensive Nursing Home Quality Initiative. The Clinton-Gore Administration has issued the toughest nursing home regulations in the history of the Medicare and Medicaid programs, including increased monitoring of nursing homes to ensure that they are in compliance; requiring states to crack down on nursing homes that repeatedly violate health and safety requirements; and changing the inspection process to increase the focus on preventing bedsores, malnutrition and resident abuse. Won $43.5 million increase in FY 2000 to fund more rigorous inspections of nursing facilities and improved federal oversight and enforcement of nursing home quality.

Ensuring Safe Food for Americas Families. President Clinton created the Presidents Council on Food Safety to develop a comprehensive food safety strategic plan for federal agencies. The Clinton-Gore Administration has implemented a new science-based inspection system -- Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Points -- and reduced the prevalence of salmonella in raw meat and poultry by as much as 50 percent. The Administration formed national computer network of public health laboratories, called PulseNet, to help rapidly identify and stop outbreaks of foodborne illness by performing DNA "fingerprinting" on foodborne pathogens. The President signed the Food Quality Protection Act, which included special safeguards for kids and strengthened laws governing pesticides and food safety. The Administration also issued new rules to prevent foodborne illness caused by pathogens such as E. coli.

Raised Child Immunization Rates to All Time High. Childhood immunization coverage rates in 1998 were the highest ever recorded. 90 percent of toddlers in 1996, 1997 and 1998 received the most critical doses of each of the routinely recommended vaccines, surpassing the Presidents 1993 goal. Because childhood vaccination levels in the United States are at an all-time high, disease and death from diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, measles, mumps, rubella and Hib are at or near record lows. There was only one reported case of diphtheria, 100 reported cases of measles, and no reported cases of wild poliovirus for 1998.

Issued Regulation that Drug Companies Provide Adequate Testing for Children. President Clinton directed an important Food and Drug Administration regulation requiring manufacturers to do studies on pediatric populations for new prescription drugs -- and those currently on the market -- to ensure that prescription drugs have been adequately tested for the unique needs of children.

New Efforts to Help Consumers Understand Important Information on Over the Counter Drug Labels. The President unveiled a historic new FDA regulation that, for the first time, requires over-the-counter drug products to use a new product label with larger print and clearer language, making it easier for consumers to understand product warnings and comply with dosage guidance. The new regulation provides Americans with essential information about their medications in a user friendly way and takes a critical first step towards preventing the tens of thousands of unnecessary hospitalizations caused by misuse of over-the-counter medications each year.

Promoting Reproductive Health. The Clinton-Gore Administration has taken strong steps to protect a womans right to choose and to promote safe reproductive health services for women. The President has provided contraceptive coverage to more than a million women covered by federal health plans; provided family planning services to low income women through the Medicaid program; stood up against attempts to prohibit the FDA from approving RU-486; and continues to fight restrictions on international family planning.

Environment: Growing the Economy And Improving the Environment

Preserving Our National Treasures. The Clinton-Gore Administration has protected tens of millions of acres, from the red rock canyons of Utah to the Florida Everglades. The Administration reached agreements to protect Yellowstone from mining and save the ancient redwoods of Californias Headwaters Forest. In the FY 2000 budget, the President and Vice President won $651 million (a 42 percent increase) for Lands Legacy, a historic initiative to strengthen federal efforts to preserve national treasures and provides communities with new resources to protect local green spaces. This year, the President's budget includes a record $1.4 billion for Lands Legacy -- a 93 percent increase and the largest one-year investment ever requested for conserving Americas lands.

Created Four New National Monuments. The Clinton-Gore Administration has created four new national monuments: Grand Staircase-Escalante, protecting spectacular red rock canyonlands in Utah; Grand Canyon-Parashant, protecting deep canyons, mountains and buttes on the north rim of the Grand Canyon; Agua Fria, protecting extensive prehistoric ruins in Arizona; the California Coastal monument, protecting thousands of islands, rocks and reefs along the California coast. The Administration also expanded Pinnacles National Monument in California to better protect the area's unusual rock formations.

Preserving Our National Forests. The President directed the National Forest Service to develop and propose regulations to provide long-term protection for 40 million acres of roadless areas within national forests and ensure that future generations will be able to enjoy the pristine wilderness. The proposed regulations would ban road building in these areas and could also prohibit logging or other activities that harm their unique ecological value.

Accelerating Toxic Cleanups and Brownfields Redevelopment. The Clinton-Gore Administration has completed clean up at 525 Superfund sites, more than three times as many as completed in the previous twelve years. Clean up of more than 91 percent of all sites is either completed or in progress. The Administration has leveraged nearly $1 billion in private sector investment for brownfields redevelopment.

Keeping Our Drinking Water Safe. The President proposed and signed legislation to strengthen the Safe Drinking Water Act to ensure that our families have healthy, clean tap water. The Clinton-Gore Administration has required Americas 55,000 water utilities to provide regular reports to their customers on the quality of their drinking water. The Administration also proposed new rule to reduce dirty runoff and strengthen protections for 20,000 rivers, lakes and other waterways too polluted for swimming and fishing. Ninety-one percent of Americas tap water from community drinking water systems now meets all federal standards.

Clearing the Air of Unhealthy Pollution. The President and Vice President have adopted the toughest standards ever on soot and smog. They proposed significant reductions in tailpipe emissions from cars, light trucks and SUVs, and launched long-term effort to restore pristine skies over our national parks and wilderness areas. Since 1993, the number of Americans living in communities that meet federal air quality standards has grown by 43 million.

Reducing the Threat of Global Warming. The Clinton-Gore Administration negotiated an international treaty to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in an environmentally strong and economically sound way. The President and Vice President secured $1.1 billion in FY 2000 for research and development of energy efficiency and clean energy technologies, and set a goal of tripling U.S. use of bio-energy and bio-products by 2010. The President issued an Executive Order directing agencies to dramatically improve energy efficiency in federal buildings, saving taxpayers over $750 million a year when fully implemented.

Science and Technology: A Strong Research and Development Agenda

Unprecedented Investment in Biomedical Research. Two years ago, the President called for an increase of almost 50 percent over 5 years in the National Institutes of Health (NIH) budget as part of his Research for America Fund. Since that time, the NIH budget has increased by over $4.3 billion and with the funding proposed by the President this year, the Administration will be one year ahead of schedule in reaching the 50 percent goal. As a result, NIH now supports the highest levels of research ever on nearly all types of disease and health conditions, making new breakthroughs possible in vaccine development and use, the treatment of chronic disease, and prevention and treatment of diseases such as diabetes, osteoporosis, heart disease, cancer, and neurological diseases like Alzheimers and Parkinsons.

Supporting University Research, Training the Next Generation of Scientists and Engineers. The FY00 budget contained a 6.6 percent increase in the National Science Foundation research budget to support science and engineering research across all fields and disciplines. This includes $126 million for the Administration's "Information Technology for the 21st Century" initiative.

Ensuring U.S. Leadership in Space Science and Exploration. The Clinton-Gore Administration won increased investment of $13.65 billion for NASA in FY 2000. This investment offers the potential of new scientific breakthroughs through an aggressive robotic series of exploration missions into the solar system, as well as enhancing our ability to monitor important changes in the earth's climate systems, and strengthening aviation safety for the traveling public.

Strengthening the Economy and National Security with Information Technology. The Administration continued our investment to help ensure that America leads the world in information technologies that predict tornadoes, design life-saving drugs, and make air travel safer and more efficient, and maintain our nuclear weapons stockpile without nuclear testing.

Changing the Way Government Does Business: Doing More for Less

Eliminating Red Tape. 16,000 pages of Federal regulations have been eliminated by President Clinton and Vice President Gore as part of the Vice Presidents National Performance Review.

Smallest Government Workforce Since the 1960's. There are 375,000 fewer employees in the Federal government workforce than in 1993 -- giving us the smallest Federal workforce since the Kennedy Administration.

Lowest Government Spending Since 1974. At 18.7 percent, Federal Government spending as a share of the Gross Domestic Product is at its lowest level since 1974.

Increasing Participation in Our Democracy with the Motor Voter Law. President Clinton signed the National Voter Registration Act during his first year in office -- making voting easier for millions more Americans, and leading to the registration of more than 28 million new voters.

Foreign Policy: Worlds Strongest Force for Peace, Freedom and Prosperity

Promoting Peace and Strengthening Democracy


Ended a decade of repression and reversed ethnic cleansing in Kosovo by leading the NATO alliance to victory in a 79-day air war against Serb forces, forcing their withdrawal and ushering in international peacekeepers.

Advancing the Middle East peace process by brokering peace agreements between Israel and its neighbors; negotiating the Wye River Accords; and supporting the launch of final settlement negotiations between the Israelis and Palestinians.

Restarted Israel-Syria track of Middle East peace process by holding first high-level meeting between the two former adversaries in Washington after months of behind-the-scenes Presidential diplomacy, and following that meeting with formal talks in January.

Brokered the Good Friday Peace Accord in Northern Ireland, ending decades of bloodshed.

Building a self-sustaining peace in Bosnia by leading diplomatic efforts to end civil war and foster multi-ethnic democracy.

Restored democracy in Haiti, ending military dictatorship and stopping refugee flows.

Supporting transition to democracy in Nigeria and mediating peace efforts in Sierra Leone and Ethiopia-Eritrea.

Ended violence and protected democracy in East Timor by leading diplomatic efforts and supporting international peacekeeping mission.

Helped settle Peru-Ecuador border dispute and end civil war in Guatemala.

Pressing for human rights and religious freedom worldwide, including in China, Burma, Sudan.

Pressing for human rights, core labor standards, religious freedom, and the elimination of child labor worldwide.
Combating New Threats

Protecting Americans from weapons of mass destruction by reducing Russian nuclear arsenals, easing nuclear tensions between India and Pakistan and ratifying the Chemical Weapons Convention.

Combating terrorism by developing a national counterterrorism strategy and striking terrorist targets in Afghanistan and Sudan.

Reducing North Korea threat through deterrence, diplomacy, and non-proliferation.

Containing Saddam Hussein through diplomacy, economic sanctions and military force.

Addressing new threats by protecting Americas critical infrastructure from cyber-terrorism and biological and chemical weapons.

Developing limited national missile defense to protect against attacks from rogue states while preserving nuclear stability with Russia.

Improving military readiness through increased defense spending, with the first long-term sustained increase in defense funding in 15 years
Strengthening Alliances and Building Partnerships

Fulfilling vision of an undivided, democratic and peaceful Europe by enlarging NATO, integrating Southeast Europe, and reaching out to Russia.

Building more constructive relationship with China through engagement and frank dialogue on human rights, security and trade.

Deepening security alliances with Japan and South Korea.

Secured landmark agreement to develop secure oil and gas pipelines from the Caspian Sea to the Mediterranean Sea, strengthening ties in the region and ensuring Americans have access to vital resources.

Expanding trade and strengthening democracy in Asia and Latin America through APEC and the Summit of the Americas.

Building partnerships with Africa and pushing for passage of the African Growth and Opportunity Act.
Expanding Prosperity


Opening markets for U.S. exports abroad and creating American jobs through NAFTA, GATT and more than 270 other free and fair trade agreements.

Integrating China into the world economy through landmark trade agreement that opens markets to U.S. exports, slashes Chinese tariffs, and protects American workers from dumping.

Established World Trade Organization to reduce tariffs, settle trade disputes, and enforce rules.

Prevented Asian financial crisis from undermining Americas prosperity by promoting sound monetary policies, urging banking reforms and fighting corruption.

Stimulating worldwide growth through support for the IMF and G-8 global economic strategy.

Saved Mexico from currency crisis by providing financial relief.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 08:39 AM
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5. I voted for him twice. Didn't like him then, less so now.
He gave the DLC free rein and a false reputation for producing winners by moving the party to the right.

His "successful" presidency had more to do with luck and a good economy than anything that he did.

At best, he was "not as bad" as his opponents would have been.
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 08:46 AM
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12. In a perfect world, what would the DEM platform look like?
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:03 AM
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21. A lot like the Green Platform.
But, that wouldn't be "electable" like the Dem platform was. Whoops, I guess the "electable" Dem platform wasn't.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 08:48 AM
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:01 AM
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20. Presidents have very little to do with "the economy".
Clinton was lucky to have been around for the "high tech bubble" that burst at the end of his administration. And, yes, had BushI and Dole won they would likely have been just as lucky.

The lackluster economy we've had under Bush-the-dumber, has been to a lot of things that were brewing under Clinton, i.e. the bursting of the high-tech bubble, the rise in oil prices, the collapse of the airlines and predatory nature of capitalism. So, combined with his borrow-and-spend policies, a lot of the "lackluster" economy is due to the bad luck of assuming office when the economy was on a downcurve.

As for your cute ending comments I'll save them in my "Adolescent Attempts at Discourse" folder.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:07 AM
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25. Nice try. When all GOP-ers voted against Clinton's stimulus package
they ALL predicted he'd ruin the country.
Now W transformed a surplus to a deficit in a few months really and you still peddle the tired freeper BS about "presidents have nothing to do with the economy?"
Just wait until the international hatred of US coupled with the BFEE corruption and thefts renders us poorer than the poorest! We are well on our way.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:21 AM
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36. Apples and oranges.
Bush didn't transform a surplus to a deficit, the republican congress did, with the help of the "moderate" Democrats who signed on to it without a whimper. The congress controls the money, not the president.

As to the International hatred coupled with the corruption of the capitalists that control the government ruining the economy, I certainly agree.

But, then, I'm a socialist who thinks that capitalism, by it's very nature is corrupt.

As to the "freeper" comments, I'm sure you can do better if you try.
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HuskiesHowls Donating Member (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:18 AM
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31. The administration has a lot to do with the economy
Democrats have traditionally supported small business, and high tech endeavors. Small businesses are where new jobs come from. Republicans have traditionally supported large industries: remember Eisenhower warned of the military-industrial complex.

Prior to the 2000 election, I heard a talk show on NPR predicting that if Bush were elected, the economy would go to hell...simply because of this difference.

You want to remember, the "high tech bubble" didn't really burst until the election was in question, and it looked like Bush would win.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:19 AM
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:44 AM
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47. The president can only effect the economy by suggestion.
Government spending is decided by the congress. The president can only suggest a budget and spending. The congress has introduce the bills for that spending.

How the "people feel" has an impact. How the capitalists "feel" has a helluva lot more impact. How they shuffle the money around and lobby for their interests has a lot more to do with economy than whether the people like the prez. Wall Street isn't exactly weeping over the Repugs success.

If you're basing your judgement of "good" or "bad" presidents solely on the state of the economy, then can we assume that Eisenhower was a "good" president? Kennedy mediocre? LBJ bad? Nixon good? Reagan good? Carter bad? Bush I, bad? Clinton good? Bush II bad?

The economy of this country is headed for collapse, not becuase of Bush, but because our economy is dependent on the rest of the world. Which has grown weary of being ripped off and exploited.

The majority of the American people still delude themselves into believing that we can force the rest of the world to provide them with cheap oil, cheap labor, cheap resources, to sustain both our greed and the military force to keep them doing so.

Clinton supported NAFTA, the WTO, the IMF, and all the other corporate entities and tools. The fat cats control the economy not the president.

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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:25 AM
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65. The same contradiction exists:
Clinton has no effect on the economy, but he supported NAFTA, which put the economy on the road to ruin.

The rest of your post is little more than psuedo-leftist babble, and is as devoid of logic and reasoning as your first few.

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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:20 AM
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35. I must have been in that bubble for over 25 years
I never had a problem getting a job. Then when Clinton became president, I incorporated and went independent. The phone rang off the hook. My last contract was in 2001.
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Blue Dog Dem Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:07 AM
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55. What do you do? I might be able to help
no promises, but if I can I will
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 12:56 PM
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91. Mainframe everything
system design - database design - analysis - conversions (mostly bank) - project management - all the oldies but goodies - all the good tech oldies too - I was always "hands-on" - IMS DB/DC systems - DB2 - Cobol - all of them.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 08:41 AM
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6. Symbolically
he represents the most recent period of peace (aside from Kosovo & Bosnia) and prosperity. He is a curious, intellectual man who can explain dauntingly complex situations with great clarity.

He also represents a time when the country's most serious preoccupation was a consensual sexual dalliance. We are nostalgic for our concerns being that trivial and inconsequential.

What has happenned to Democrats since Clinton is hardly the result of his actions. It was a gradual takeover of the three branches of government, the media, and the voting procedures that had been implemented incrementally over time ever since Nixon resigned.

He has the allure of a tragic hero, who gained the highest office in the land and was largely stymied by gridlock in Congress and spurious accusations.

I didn't even vote for him. Don't flame me, I'm in a staunchly Democratic state and voted third party.

I definately see why people love him. Especially compared to *.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 08:45 AM
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10. Clinton didnt create Bosnia and the horrors there.
I dont know if it was the best or the right way to deal with it but it was a horror already, a genocide in progress.

He made the decision and did it because he thought it was the right thing to do, for him ; the human thing to do, where was the profit? the catch? there was none, thats proves his motives.

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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:26 AM
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40. I agree with you he did not create those situations.
Edited on Sat Nov-20-04 09:30 AM by stellanoir
And according to Wes Clark, he put experienced people in charge of nation building after the conflicts subsided. Unlike * who put people in Iraq with no experience whatsoever from the Heritage Foundation whose primary agenda was padding their resumees.

The level of incompetance of * is truly astonishing. "Shock and Awe" indeed.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 08:41 AM
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7. Dont blame it on Clinton.
Its the inevitable attack of a dying breed. Monsters who know they are going extinct trying to chew up everything and make their mark before it happens.

It is unstoppable that this country is evolving toward the same large majority liberal mindset that Europe has. The whole world is heading that way. These fascist, totalitarian fossils are standing in the way of progress.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 08:43 AM
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8. Perhaps because he easily won the presidency twice?
Our "ideas" have been attacked pretty consistently since Reagan made "liberal" a bad word in the '84 campaign with Mondale.

As far as losing "election after election", Clinton won the presidency twice. Gore won in 2000, but was denied the White House by the Supreme Court. Kerry's loss certainly isn't Clinton's fault. I challenge you to prove otherwise.

Your claim is rather silly and is quite ignorant of reality.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 08:45 AM
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11. about that "winning" thing: Gore, Kerry won too. Pass it on!
Edited on Sat Nov-20-04 08:47 AM by robbedvoter
Not to take anything away from the big dog, but the Diebolding of the elections was not in place yet. But, yeah, he's the last one allowed to take office - and sometimes he'll get credit for the strength he displayed standing up to the neocons&assorted fascists.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 08:50 AM
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15. True. We'll never know the extent of the systematic disenfranchisement
of voters in this election. The potential numbers are simply staggering.

I think Clinton's margin was great enough in each election that it would have been nearly impossible to steal enough voters to swing to Bush or Dole.
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Blue Dog Dem Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:00 AM
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51. Friend, we lost, time to admit it
Bottom line, our leaders did not take office, and they are not going to.

Our senior leader was also voted out, our canidate was voted out.

We have GOT to acknowledge the facts before we can address the.

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Blue Dog Dem Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 08:59 AM
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19. Facts
Republicans took the house, and now have the house, senate, Presidency, and govenors offices, and have strengthened their hold in every election.

I do not like it, but it is what it is. I do not blame Clinton, I blame us for electing leaders who lead to this. If it is not our leaders, it is US, if it is not US, it is our IDEAS, and I know better than that.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 11:43 AM
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89. "I do not blame Clinton"
Yet, that's exactly what you're doing with this post.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 08:44 AM
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9. He's intelligent, reasonable, sane, and can speak
without an earpiece. The republicans would have basically done the same thing to anyone that was put forward.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 08:47 AM
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 08:58 AM
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18. Indeed!
What crap...

PB
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:04 AM
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:17 AM
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30. I suspect you wont be here long
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:30 AM
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:37 AM
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44. LMAO
Like I said,I suspect you wont be here long :crazy:

or maybe shut the hell up.

Or maybe not :P
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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:40 AM
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45. We got your number
Thanks for the donation.

now get lost, loser
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:09 AM
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Blue Dog Dem Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:19 AM
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34. WTF is that supposed to mean?
try and explain, sounds like to me anyone who is unwilling to accept being a loser is not welcome here.

Back up and take a breath, I am doing the same....

Look, we are losing, our ideas are being left behind. We are losing elections in the house, senate, and governorships, until we accept that means we are being rejected, we get more of the same.

I will not accept that our ideas are being rejected, so it has to be something else. The most obvious answer is our leaders, so that opens up a question, is it our leaders, or something else.

If someone has an idea on how to WIN please bring it forward, if you can not accept being part of discussion that ask hard questions, maybe you should wait till someone else figures it out.

Bottom line, losing sucks, I am not used to it, do not want to be part of it, and THERE IS NO REASON WE HAVE TO LOSE, we can win again, but not until we focus back on the fundamentals, and get off this hero worship of leaders who led us to failure.
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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:31 AM
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43. What 'fundamentals' are YOU talking about
Take your fundamentals where they are more appreciated -

oh, and take your 'willingness to be a loser' with you, maybe it will catch on

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Blue Dog Dem Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:50 AM
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49. Do you know?
The Democratic Party exist to balance the economic effects of Capitalism with the social needs of a society.

Capitalism leads to an unacceptable collection of wealth with to few people, one of the major causes of the great depression. Also, we exist to support certain projects which benefit all mankind, but the economic cost are such that the free market can not support it (like dams, roads, bridges, military, regulation of air lines, power distribution, phone service, and per our discussion, possibly health care).

We are a party of the middle class, of working families, of the people who make the ship go, but do not necessarily direct its course.

We are the party of those who are not seen, but are critical to the success of the whole.

We are the party that believes we are one giant unit, we should help one another, our neighbor, and those who sometimes need direction.

We are NOT the party that pushes a lose social agenda, most of our supporters are strong family values folks, as Americans we respect integrity, character, and honor.

See, 20 years ago morals, pro-military, character, family values, these were common values, common ideas, no one could run on these issues, but now morality is a issue we get beat up by. I think that is wrong, we actually have DEEDS to support our words, we take these ideas and put them into ACTION. WE are the party of morals, character, honor, the people who help the less fortunate, who stop to help a child. We should OWN the morality, character, and honor brand, some how we lost it.

You and I, We want the same things, but I want them to ACTUALLY happen, not be something we just talk about. Results matter, and they can not be faked, Vince Lombardi taught us that.

And yes, a lot of days I feel like I have to choose between my ideas, which are and have always been DEMOCRAT, and my party, which I think has lost its direction. I want the Democrat Party to redirect itself to the Democratic IDEAS.

America will gladly accept our ideas and our agenda, if we go back to our core values, and we LIVE them, not just TALK them.
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Blue Dog Dem Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:20 AM
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61. Where did I get it from? I WROTE IT
Get a clus, read it twice, maybe you will understand
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 08:51 AM
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16. WRONG......I would vote for him again in a heartbeat.
A president who cares about people. What a concept.
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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 08:52 AM
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17. Bullshit ! seconded
Your reasoning process is faulty.

The ideas of the democratic party have not come under attack due to Clinton.

Duh

If you feel "eaten alive" maybe you should crawl into the belly of the BushBeast along with other Reichwing supporters
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Blue Dog Dem Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:05 AM
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23. See link
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:10 AM
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:18 AM
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32. Linking to one's own insults!
To freakin lazy to even retype them :silly:
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hiphopnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:05 AM
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24. YEAAAAH!
More Clinton Bashing! Mods, can we have a "Clinton Bashing" Group? It'd be busy for sure, as evidenced from threads like this and others.

Get a damn clue.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:16 AM
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29. Why do all your posts call for people to abandon everything
they fight for?

If you want to be a Republican, please do so. You certainly aren't a Democrat.
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Blue Dog Dem Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:21 AM
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37. I do suggest we abandon EVERYTHING but our ideas
the ship carrying our ideas is sinking....

It is time to sacrafice our ideas and become freepers, or get a new ship....

All I hear anyone say is why the ship we have is still in good shape...

As we see it sinking and carrying our ideas to the bottom of the ocean.....


America is the loser if we let our ideas go down with the sinking ship
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hiphopnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:23 AM
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38. jesus
that is the most ridiculous claptrap i've read on these boards in a long time. thanks for the laugh. have fun the next four years. do you really think you're fooling anyone?
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:27 AM
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41. Tell you what, we'll help you leave the ship, you can walk the plank
We'll do what sailors have done for centuries, patch the ship, replace the mast and rudder, and continue navigating to our destination.
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greenohio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:05 AM
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54. Blue Dog Dem...you a DLCer?
Weren't the Blue Dogs the ones who worked with Reagan?
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Blue Dog Dem Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:18 AM
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60. Generally I am middle left
I am NOT strong leftist, which is why we see the hate pointed at me here.

Yal, many of my position worked with reagan, mondale was unacceptable, as was kerry.

I know that pisses off the extreme leftist, but it is true.

I feel like if we shed the extremist of our party we would easily win a 2:1 ratio from others in the middle. I think this is what Clinton did in 92, he silenced the extremist in our party, drew from the middle, got elected, then turned into an immoral ass. Of course we supported him through re-election, and then supported Gore, but I think Clinton's MORALS we so bad they hurt our message, and I think he basically gave up on our ideas the moment it would have cost him some political capital.

Botomline - Had clinton not been screwing around with Monica Gore would have been elected, and president today. Clinton's morals cost us the 2000 election, and that cost us the 2004 election.

All Clinton had to do was keep his pants on, sure we like the guy, but like your favorite dog that is super well trained, but every time he sees your child he tries to rip your child's face off, you have to put the dog down. I think we never rejected Clinton's ACTIONS, and he never seemed to atone for them.

Again, I liked Clinton, voted for him twice, gave money for him, voted for Gore, and for Kerry, but here we are. Time to reconsider some basic issues.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:24 AM
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Blue Dog Dem Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:29 AM
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67. Do yo think Clinton's morals cost us ANY votes in 2000?
I mean like .001% maybe?

Look, you may hate me for saying this, but everyone I know is pretty a-political, meaning they look at the guy, not the party.

Do you think it possible that even a few, a small few, were sensitive enough that Clinton's morals caused them to switch? Just a few, not many, maybe a few hundred in FL, a few hundred in other really close states.....

Do you think the morals of the man mean ANYTHING? Especially in a SUPER close election?

Come on, use your head.
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greenohio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:36 AM
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70. You don't like Clinton because of Monica...
boy I guess everybody has different reasons. We lost congress BEFORE Monica dude. Reagan landslides were BEFORE Monica. Clinton is not the source of ills. I guess everybody hates a winner.
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Blue Dog Dem Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:46 AM
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72. Reagan hit us when we were down
So what do you recommend? Die silently? Or try something different?

I like the try something different angle.
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greenohio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:55 AM
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76. I think we should try something different....
Kerry and Gore did not run like Clinton. Clinton ran for the center and won. Kerry and Gore both were worried about their left flank and focused on their base...and didn't become president. To win, we need to follow the Clinton model. If you like him, quit bashin him.
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Blue Dog Dem Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:50 AM
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75. By the way, I DO like Clinton
I like him alot, and think he has UNBELIEVABLE talent, but reality is what it is....

.01% was all it would have taken in 2000.


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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 12:32 PM
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90. Oh you like Clinton a lot?

You likened Clinton to a:

"dog that is super well trained, but every time he sees your child he tries to rip your child's face off"

Yeah, sounds like you like him.

You sincerity is in serious question here






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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:40 AM
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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:50 AM
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48. We have been screwed since 1968. Clinton figured out a way
to overcome massive right wing media spin and the general bashing of Democrats to get elected. Then despite a republican congress he managed to get a lot of things done that helped the little guy. Plus he outdid the Republicans on 2 of their core issues of the day, he got rid of the deficit and reduced crime.

I would have liked to see Clinton pursue even more liberal stuff, but it just wasn't possible. Gays in the military and healthcare were getting him nowhere. But that was the beauty of Clinton. If he got lemons he made lemonade. The art of the possible. I can tell you if he had been beaten those 2 terms that our economy would still be in shambles.

The 2 things Clinton did that hurt our party was he passed free trade, which alienated a lot of good union voters and he passed AWB and Brady which cost the Dems the house. If those 2 thing hadn't of passed I believe that his tenure would have had even more success.
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Blue Dog Dem Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:55 AM
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50. Ah, a voice of reason
So what do we do now, how do we find candidates who do not offend the right on moral issues, but strongly support our social and economic agenda?

My suggestion is to first acknowledge we have stumbled, and learn from it.

I am open to suggestion from people who are determined to stop losing.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:12 AM
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Blue Dog Dem Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:20 AM
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62. How do you lose a donation?
please explain
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greenohio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:04 AM
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53. Uhh, we lost election after election BEFORE Clinton
Apparently some view winning only MN and DC as the good ol days when we stood for something.
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greenohio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:07 AM
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56. Yeah, all of our losses during the last 25 years are Clintons fault.
Give me a fricken break. Apparently you only want to win MN and DC. Or do you long for the Reagan days like the rest of the Blue Dog Dems.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:08 AM
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57. THIS IS THE NEW GOP TALKING POINT - freeper offerings
Bartcopers noted the mighty wuritzer is steaming with it:
http://bartcopnation.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&f...
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:12 AM
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58. Bada boom
Busted.
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Blue Dog Dem Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:23 AM
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63. Okay, PLEASE tell me what cause it, and what do we do to change it
No retoric, no bull shit, no justification of anything....

What steps do YOU suggest we take to stop losing elections?

I made my suggestions, most seem to disagree, so lets see if those who shoot everyone with an idea down have any of thier own...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:35 AM
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Blue Dog Dem Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:43 AM
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71. So are you are republican?
Edited on Sat Nov-20-04 10:43 AM by Blue Dog Dem
Yal, I posted WE LOST, cause have the fking idiots here act like they have a winning plan they are defending, in fact, they are defending a LOSING plan.

Why is it so fking hard for people who keep getting shit on to understand when someone says get out from under the ass!

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Blue Dog Dem Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:48 AM
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74. I will take that to mean "I AM A CLUELESS FKING IDIOT"
Seeing as you think all is going well and Kerry will be taking office as well as a Democratic House, Senate and Govenorship starting early next year.

It is okay, every thing is golden, here take your meds again, everything it just fine.....
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:26 AM
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66. Because he was the most liberal person running in 92 and he won.
and then he won again in 96.
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:35 AM
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68. "we" don't.
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greenohio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:46 AM
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73. Where were all these people yesterday...
when I was fending off the hate Clinton craze. Clinton was a winner.
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Blue Dog Dem Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 11:03 AM
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78. Balanced view of client is not bashing
Looking at both sides does not make me a freeper...

Or does it?
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greenohio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 11:10 AM
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82. Blaming him for the loss of the Dems
is a bunch of bs.
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:57 AM
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77. Hey listen up: I don't like Clinton either
Now, can we just disagree, or do you have to label me a freeper, tell me to fuck off, say "you don't think I'll be around here very long, etc.?

Sometimes this place absolutely amazes me. You know, I didn't approve of Clinton's presidency on the whole either, because while he was a brilliant man, I disagreed with many of his corporatist, moderately conservative actions. Does that make me a freeper, or does it just make me a human being freely capable of disagreeing with some of the rest of you?
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Blue Dog Dem Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 11:05 AM
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79. thanks - n/t
n/t
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 11:10 AM
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81. I claimed he wouldn't be around long
Not because of his claiming Clinton is the reason for the Dems ills,but because of stuff like this;

You are SAD, and to willing to accept failure

WE ARE LOSING, if you can not accept that then get the fuck out of the way of those of us who plan on DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

you and your condescending, piece of shit attitude

if you can not become a winner shut the fuck up

make a donation, or maybe shut the hell up.


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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 11:17 AM
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85. Nothing I haven't heard from you and many others many times.
Perhaps not the "we are losing" comment, but most of the rest of it sounds pretty much on par with the majority of posts around here.

I've certainly heard the "make a donation or shut the hell up" comment numerous times.

We have plenty of people on this thread telling him to shut the fuck up too, so he seems to fit right in. :eyes:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 11:20 AM
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87. And I've alerted on them as well
Please point out any thread where I have told someone to shut the fuck up,or to donate or shut up.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 11:28 AM
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88. Um...there's a difference between a constructive critique of the party's
direction and a thinly-veiled, freeper-like, right-wing-talking-point laden slam against the past decade of the Democratic Party's history.

You obviously were not satisfied with Clinton's centrism, triangulation, moderation, whatever. You are absolutely not alone on this board. Others here herald all that Bill stood for and accomplished, without acknowledging any criticism. But those sorts of intra-family squabbles that are expected, and, in fact, we should welcome.

What this poseur poster is offering 'aint that. He deserves the shit he's receiving.
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carolinalady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 11:06 AM
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80. He did so many things right --that the Repubs had to resort to
the lowest of lows to discredit him. He is a superstar and what a contrast to the current sitting Pres. We will never have to stoop so low with George--he screws way too many things up!
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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 11:17 AM
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86. He did many things right, and many things very wrong.
That is why I have such ambivalence about him.

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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 11:14 AM
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83. Because he was one of the best
Edited on Sat Nov-20-04 11:16 AM by Jawja
Presidents of the 20th Century, if not in the history of the country.

He was well respected abroad and active in working on peace agreements. He balanced the budget. He erased a deficit. He didn't abuse the military. He recognized terrorism as the biggest threat and thwarted a couple of major attacks.

He wasn't the first President to be involved with some hanky-panky and won't be the last. The GOP used this to bring him down; in fact, this was unheard of in Kennedy's day.

His impeachment was a circus which eventually caused great harm to our unity as a nation and our security from foreign threats. The GOP tried to make him a lame duck by keeping him on the defensive for 8 years - the witch hunt in search of a crime - ANYTHING.

And dispicably, the GOP is still using him to blame their failures on.

William Jefferson Clinton was the people's President, as he represents the American dream: coming from the "other side of the tracks" in a small Southern town from a broken family with real challenges and went on to become a grad of Yale and a Rhodes Scholar and a student at Oxford.

The well-heeled GOP hated him for it and still do. In other words: "how DARE the son of a drunk from nowhere Arkansas come along and dethrone a wealthy and powerful family from Connecticut - and in the process, make a HELL of a better Commander in Chief than both Father and Son??"
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 11:17 AM
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84. Do you really think it's "Clinton"? The right-wing radical movements
Edited on Sat Nov-20-04 11:27 AM by Cat Atomic
would've villified anyone that blocked them from power. They would've denounced Jesus Christ himself if he were a member of the opposition party.

I've never been a Clinton fan. He took a corporatist stance on the issues that really mattered (NAFTA, Welfare Reform, Telecommunications Act), but even I have to admit he was infinitely better than Bush Jr., who's both malicious and incompetent.

But seriously- why don't you try this one out on a more fascist-friendly board? I'm sure they'll eat it up.
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 01:23 PM
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92. Supporting Clinton
I don't speak for anyone else. But I can tell you why I supported President Clinton when he was in office:

1. He supported affirmative action

2. Not only did he appoint African-Americans to great positions, but he appointed African-Americans who actually cared about lifting their own community. When Alexis Herman was Labor Secretary, she frequently when on the radio, to places like the Tom Joyner morning show, to talk to African-Americans about the state of black employment.

3. Clinton cares about living by the Biblical principle of doing the most for the least among us.

4. In 1993, when he was making his way to DC for his inaugural, he was asked on CBS if there was any issue on which he would NOT compromise. He said yes: the issue of race. He'd never compromise on race.
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 01:48 PM
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93. Clinton has done nothing helpful since leaving office
And unlike Carter seems to be comfortable with the outcomes of Bush foreign policy.



"I have repeatedly defended President Bush against the left on Iraq, even though I think he should have waited until the U.N. inspections were over,"


Pressed on whether the Iraq war was worth the cost to the United States, Clinton said he would not have undertaken the war until after U.N. chief weapons inspector Hans Blix "finished his job."


"I want it to have been worth it, even though I didn't agree with the timing of the attack," Clinton said.


http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/
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94. I'm locking this thread
Reason:

Flamebait
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