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Jack Schitt Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:31 PM
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I have a feeling that a draft may be imminent...
Here's my reasoning: click here and here.

Why else is the government so desperate to have these people enlist? If a draft is near, what country or countries are we going to attack next?

Am I reading into this too much or are my concerns justified?

Maybe I should get ready to pack my bags to Canada... :scared:...or take off my tinfoil hat. :tinfoilhat:

:shrug:
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:32 PM
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1. PACK
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ogradda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:35 PM
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2. my prayers are with you
maybe you'll meet one of my kids over there :(
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Jack Schitt Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:41 PM
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13. Don't worry about me.
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 05:45 PM by Jack Schitt
I'll be fine.

I'm worried about your kids. I hope they are alright and they come home soon. :( :hug:
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:35 PM
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3. Sorry, guys... But I really don't see how we could NOT have a draft...
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 05:36 PM by hlthe2b
That they are calling back guys who received their (final) discharge papers 10 years or more ago, is as blatant to me, at least, as initiating the draft. If they would do one thing, (which I can not believe to be legal), they clearly are both 1. desperate and 2. not worried about the consequences.
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Jack Schitt Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:37 PM
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7. Are the soldiers who were discharged 10+ years ago...
required to go back if they get called up?
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:56 PM
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25. Yes... apparently they have received notices of criminal prosecution
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 06:31 PM by hlthe2b
if they fail to appear... I believe the story was on NPR a few days ago.

Note, these are not people who inactivated and were on "inactive reserve." These were guys who had fulfilled their active duty AND research commitments AND received their honorable discharges long ago.... Unbelievable
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:29 PM
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41. Is that even legal?
How can they do that? Unless a draft were already in place, I don't see how the military can do this. These people are being forced to re-join the military against their will, is what it sounds like to me. My own son who is 32 was medically discharged in '98 due to a knee injury. He served six years and one year in the Calif. National Guard. Will they be calling him back, I wonder?
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:41 PM
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49. There's the question..... Damned if I know how they are doing it....
And several are taking it to court...
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:45 PM
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18. I said this before...
But I will side with Congressman Rangel. A draft would be a good thing, in that it would force more middle class families to send their sons and daughters, and college won't be an excuse this time. I think it could serve to turn the tide against this war.
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:36 PM
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4. RED DRAFT.
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 05:37 PM by rooboy
The only way you should be able to avoid being drafted is if you are a registered voter WITHOUT an "R" on your registration card.

If you didn't bother to vote, tough shit.
If you are a republican, off you go.

To the victor go the boils.
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mainegreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:37 PM
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5. Umm stop talking about the draft.
Its scaring me. I really don't want to have to move to switzerland. My french stinks.
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:37 PM
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8. Then speak German. n/t
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Jack Schitt Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:39 PM
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10. We have to talk about it.
Ignoring it isn't going to make the reality that the potential for a draft will go away.

But I do sympathise with you.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:01 PM
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27. HON... I don't want to scare you, but DENIAL is not just a river in Egypt!
I'd like to think we are wrong, but
1. Bush has lied about nearly every policy promise made during the 2000
campaign--why would his 2004 promises be different now that he does not have to stand for reelection.
2. the mechanisms are all in place-
3. He can't saber rattle at N. Korea, Syria and Iran --because they know how overextended we are and this is a real problem for the Bushies, both on a practical and an EGO level.
4. He has little choice, short of a miracle happening....
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:25 PM
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39. "Bush has lied about nearly every policy promise made during the 2000"
What didn't junior lie about?
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:39 PM
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48. As far as I can tell, he got his name right....
:mad:
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:37 PM
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6. no a draft is imminent
insofar as the machine can move... March 15 it should be ready to go, and June 15 was given as a date in an AP story... that died within six hours June 15 of 2004

And as to running to Canada? Sorry Canada signed an agreement with the US to return anybody who is planning to do that

I'm sorry for you, now I wish I could make the chicken shit suporters of this insanity join

As to what countries? READ the PNAC Papers the list is there
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:39 PM
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9. Pack your bags for Canada.
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 05:42 PM by DrWeird
Draft's inevitable.
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Jack Schitt Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:40 PM
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11. Maybe New Zealand will be better...
I hear they're accepting upset Kerry voters with open arms.
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kohodog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:59 PM
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Don't be too sure...
My son went to art school in NZ in 2002, and said it would be difficult to stay unless he was in school. Perhaps that has cahnged. He went to one of the anti-war protests in Aukland and said it was disturbingly more anti US than anti war.
But please keepus updated on what you hear. (he's 20) and a candidate for the draft having gotten a drft card in order to get a student loan.

But I will be willing to harbor draft dodgers in my home any day. I'm no Ann Frank, but we need to start thinking outside of the box.
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L84TEA Donating Member (668 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:40 PM
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12. Nah I think the Nazi's
will kill the entire country of Iraq off... and that will be that.
He who has the most toys always wins and unfortunately Bush currently has the most toys...even if he doesn't have the most friends.

I personally don't think their will be a draft. But HECK I never thought Shrub would be doing a 2nd term either...GO FIGURE!! America is as stupid as it looks at times!!
:cry:
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Pale_Rider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:41 PM
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14. I've been mulling over whether to volunteer ...
... for the local draft board. At least I'll make an effort to ensure that rich kids without a valid and honest justification will not get a deferment. No Cheneys!

Just a thought and perhaps a delusion.
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telamachus Donating Member (279 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:53 PM
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23. DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thanks to a post here on DU a while back my wife signed up and she was accepted.

But..there won't be a draft anytime soon because among other things, there is no money to train draft board members. There may be appropriations made next year but the full board would not be ready until late next year.
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NeoGreen Donating Member (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:10 PM
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29. I volunteered and have recieved...
...a form letter stating my application is on file.

Now I am considaring changing my political registration to Repuke in order to help ensure I have the best chance to make it on the board.

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NeoGreen Donating Member (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:15 PM
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34. dupe please delete
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 06:17 PM by DemoGreen
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Coyul Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:42 PM
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15. Unfortunately you might be(are likely tobe) correct...
....afterall you can't fight Armeggedon without plenty of fodder.

Adopt Buddhism...a philosophical, not religious institution, where conscientious objector status will help...and you might learn some things too!

D
Good luck to you!
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Jack Schitt Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:44 PM
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16. I'm already considering Buddhism.
It's the only religion that most agrees with my beliefs.

Thanks to the fundies and neo-cons (and logical thinking), Christianity isn't my thing anymore.
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megatherium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:59 PM
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47. I'm sorry Christianity isn't your thing anymore.
Some people call themselves "followers of Jesus" to distinguish themselves from these sorts of "Christians". If you read what Jesus said and did in the Gospels, you might arrive at a much different impression of what he was about than you hear from the fundies. The parable of the Good Samaritan is a fine example (Luke chapter 10:25-37).

You might look for a Quaker group or some liberal Episcopalians (or other liberal mainline denomination churches). Don't let the fundies define Christianity for you or take it away from you.

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Jack Schitt Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:24 PM
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50. It's not only that, though...
I honestly think Jesus was nothing more than today's equivalent of a rabbi or priest. If Jesus really did exist, how come there's no mention of him anywhere but the Bible?

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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:02 PM
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28. Better check the CO stipulations.... Amish and Quakers are the only ones
I can recall getting CO status....
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mainegreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:45 PM
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17. What is the upper age limit
for the draft?

And what things will disqualify you?

Anyone know?
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Jack Schitt Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:47 PM
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20. I think 35 is the upper age limit..
and some things that will disqualify you from getting drafted are: physical injury/injuries, mental problems, and MAYBE being a conscientious objector.

There may be other ways where you can get out of being drafted (college deferral isn't one of them anymore. :().
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mainegreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:48 PM
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21. 35????!!!
Holy crap. I'm screwed. I guess I better get my swiss passport in order. Cheeseland, here I come!
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Jack Schitt Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:13 PM
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31. I think it's 35, not sure though.
I'm quite positive I read that on this site earlier this month.
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:18 PM
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38. It's 34. 3rd paragraph down:
http://www.mauisfreepress.com/feature6.html


<snip>

Bills have been in Congress since January 7, 2003, known as S89 and HR163 that would make it required for women to be drafted are currently stagnant in committees. A proposal from the SSS was also sent to Pentagon officials on February 11, 2003 proposing to have the draft age limit changed from 25 to 34 years of age and to also include females into the draft.

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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:13 PM
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30. 35? I thought it was 34! Crap, I'm 35! I am not fighting this Chimp's P
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 06:16 PM by TexasChick
PNAC oil wars, no way!!!


Edited for Freeptardian-type grammar!
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:47 PM
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19. There will be draft. But it will have some other name.
And it will not be straight forward.

What will happen is bu$h & rummy will rotate the battle scarred troops back here to deal with the coming protesters.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:53 PM
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22. Look into CO status.
http://www.objector.org

Personally, I expect to get called back up myself, I'm only 41. :grr:
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:54 PM
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24. All of my 12th graders believe that they will be drafted soon.
Some of them are resigned to it, while other claim to be making escape plans. A few want to enlist.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:28 PM
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40. For those that want to enlist
If they are smart, the AF is their best bet, but the AF does not take any that are not 'bright' or have a BA
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:00 PM
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26. If there's a draft and a kid is in college,
this wouldn't disqualify him/her?
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Jack Schitt Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:14 PM
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32. Apparently...
not anymore. :(

And women will be drafted as well. :(
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:14 PM
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33. Nope! You will be able to finish out the year you are currently doing,
but that is it! College will not keep you from the draft like Vietnam!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:41 PM
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35. Can you direct me to more info on this? Thanks!
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:16 PM
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37. babylonsister, hope this helps:
http://www.mauisfreepress.com/feature6.html

http://www.educationnews.org/pending-draft-legislation....
8th paragraph down

(There will be no college deferment allowed, even for graduate students. College students drafted will be allowed to finish the current semester or quarter, except for seniors who will be allowed to finish the current year whether they graduate or not. )


==============================================================

Ideas on how to avoid the draft and info on The New World Order:
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/draftindex.shtml

==============================================================

Information about the two twin bills currently in Congress and the draft board info:
http://debs.pinko.net/pipermail/grbosypsl/2004-April/00...

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:51 PM
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46. Copied and saved; thanks kindly,
TexasChick. BTW, I too live in TX-Houston. Not a native...
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:08 PM
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36. Here's the awful truth on the draft from Dems Will Win.
Secret 6-page Proposal outlines MASSIVE SKILLS DRAFT DATABASE, 34 YRS, M/F
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Draft Exemptions in modern DRAFT law
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Why CANADA is NOT an option to avoid the DRAFT: link to Smart Border Dec.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

SSS "DESIGNING PROCEDURES" to REGISTER ALL under 35 for DRAFT - must read!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

How to Stay Out Of the Military (must read) -- from Dems Will Win
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

DRAFT Timeline -- (must read) Shows how Bush plans June 15, 2005 LOTTERY
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...




We really need to start a DRAFT FORUM on DU. Bush is bringing a draft to his second term, and we need to be prepared.





















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mainegreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:41 PM
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43. The lottery
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 07:42 PM by mainegreen
Would that still be used? I hope so, because its age based so I'm down the line a ways.

Also, what this about the 4-c dual nationality exemption? I haw 2 citizenships, so what? Is that a weird get out of draft free card or something?
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:33 PM
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42. Bush SAID there would be no draft. So did the gop congresscritters.
:evilgrin:
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bubblebuttbeauty Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:13 PM
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44. I Plan on Getting Fat
Really out of shape. I also might poke an eye out so I'm disabled. Anything to not get selected.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:28 PM
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45. College age republicans are standing in long lines at the
recruiters office. Quit worrying about a draft!
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:32 PM
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51. sad part is they will stage a LIHOP event
to scare people into support
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