McCurry on Franken Now Talking About Their Decision To Concede .......

[global1]

basically said the votes weren't there and they didn't want to take the country into another 2000 FL debacle.

[irancontra]

1. I'm done with Franken. The second he started talking about 2008.

[mom cat]

18. Randi is my source..along with DU. Al is selling out already.

Access is corupting.

[madison2000]

63. Al is running for Senate in Minnesota

Well maybe, in 2008. He's going to be careful.

[Chicago Democrat]

59. I think they are playing it perfectly... Having the Greens do Ohio

and Nader NH and then Florida is SMART. Not expecting anything is SMART. They are hedging their bets. Why not? What do they have to loose now?? nothing...

Let the cards fall where they may. If they central computer was hacked in Ohio, Kerry wins and comes out smelling like a rose, plus... the whole house of NeoCon cards comes crashing down forever.

There is no way that the Ohio neocons will get away with it IF THEY DID IT. Which we will find out soon.


I'm 99% sure they hacked it, aren't you? If so, they will be caught.

Let them think they won..

Let them kill more innocent Iraqis....

[yojon]

86. hate to jinx it by saying it but..

think of what would happen if Ohio turned... Well couldnt be any uglier than it is now.

[Voltaire99]

65. Me, too. Tune in to DemocracyNow.org, instead.

Rather than listening to sad Kerry apologists try to explain away Wimp Out 2004, check out this piece on what *real* advocates of fair elections are doing to see that the votes are counted:

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/17/1525203

[WestHoustonDem]

2. McCurry's a double agent

I'm done with him, and Franken

[mom cat]

21. Where in West Houston are you? I used to live there but I

escaped.

[WestHoustonDem]

29. Near I10 and Dairy Ashford

It's really not so bad. I've been finding more Democrats than I thought possible!

Where'd you escape to?

[XNASA]

40. Same here. I escaped as well.

But I lived down in Clear Lake.

[Tomee450]

64. I was surprised to learn that

McCurry's firm also worked for the RNC.

[Cleita]

79. That came to my mind too.

That he was a mole and convinced Kerry he couldn't win.

[bullimiami]

3. hey mccurry

JK said he was going to fight for every vote and he had our backs. This man told us he was a fighter.

If he said he was going to fold his tent without a fight we would have supported someone else.

WE WANT A FIGHT. WE WERE ROBBED. THIS ELECTION WAS A SHAM.

[Voltaire99]

67. He *did* fight--for corporate tax breaks and more war in Iraq.

But that's easier than facing charges that you're a sore loser, apparently. That's easier than insisting that malfeasance at the polls is a problem. Yes, easier to slink back into one's cozy sinecure.

Are you listening, DLC? Better look for new saps. We won't get fooled again.

[grasswire]

4. can someone provide more detail?

This is pretty critical info for those of us who think the end of democracy more than a "debacle."

If they didn't have the stomach for the fight they knew would come with Rove, they shouldn't have gotten into the race.

[kcwayne]

6. What he said was

that they had analyzed every county in Ohio, and came to the conclusion that there was no fraud, and there was no way to mathmatically achieve victory. Their position was that they had all these lawyers in Ohio, and the lawyers said "No foul here!", so they are advising that we fold up the tent, and let Kerry start "fighting" for us in the future.

I have had my fill of Kerry's promises to "fight". He looks like Don Knotts against Mohammed Ali. He let the Repukes roll over him on the Patriot Act, the IWR, 911 commission, Swift Boats, and now the election. The bell has rung, and Kerry was KO'd without lifting a glove.

[mom cat]

17. Go to the voter issues forum and chech it out. I too feel betrayed,

but I think we need to expose the truth, both for us and to show the rest of the world what happened.

[VegasWolf]

19. Very well said, unfortunately.

[DELUSIONAL]

38. These people are complete idiots

They do NOT realize that Democrats are in a war for their lives -- because the Christian Reconstructionists along with the bush mafia mean to eliminate/terminate & eradicate ALL liberals.

What fucking morons.

With the vote rigging mechanism in place (used in 2000 and 2002 as a trial run) -- the dems with their current clueless leadership might as well forget about any gains in 2006 and 2008 -- IN fact we might as well expect major loses.

What fucking morons -- it is almost as if these idiots were in on this coup.

[milkyway]

55. You're characterization of Kerry seems like flame-bait, but I'm afraid

it's close to the truth. I want to believe he's taking a hard look at vote fraud under the radar, but it seems unlikely.

If Kerry actually did lose the election, I think it was because voters felt that if he was hesitant to stand up and defend himself against the swift liars for truth, then the voters were hesitant of making him president in these times (I don't think that, but some voters did).

[Tomee450]

66. I couldn't agree with your more.

If Kerry runs again, he won't be getting my vote. I encouraged people to go out and vote for him. We were all shocked that he conceded so early.

[Lorien]

69. They analyzed Ohio in 12 hours?

What bullshit. It does kind of make you wonder if the DLCers were in bed with the GOP all along. Enough is enough, I'm done with them.

[wiggs]

73. McCurry's statement not genuine

Seems to me that there is a lot in McCurry's statement that doesn't ring true. First, that lawyers of any caliber would, within 12 hours of the polls closing, say that there is "no foul here" seems unlikely. Lawyers' jobs are to find foul play and we all know they can do it even where there is no foul play. Can't blame this on the lawyers.

Second, coming to the conclusion tht "there was no fraud" so quickly, and before all of the votes are in, also seems unlikely. Proof is that there are plenty of suspicious incidents and results in Ohio that have been uncovered since. Now that we know about them, we can't the lawyers cry foul now?

Third, they wanted Kerry to concede so he could start fighting for the future? He is nowhere to be seen!! When is he going to start fighting?

Fourth. Kerry had made a point in the campaign of saying that he can multi-task. Why can't he help with making sure every vote counts AND start "fighting for us in the future?" I think they are the same thing anyway.

Last. They analyzed all the counties in Ohio? There are plenty of suspicious results in Florida, New Hampshire, and other states!

I don't buy it. Either they are working behind the scenes and waiting for the right time....or, they gave up for other reasons that aren't clear yet to us.

[kcwayne]

77. McCurry and Franken were adamant that it is over and we should move on

and that all of the problems with the voting were being discredited.

So I don't think they are working on anything. I take them at their word, which is "nothing to see here, move on, and send cash"

[yojon]

87. Kerry's $45 million?

I heard on the radio last night that he has $45M leftover from the compaign. He was thinking of using it for his 'next campaign'. Few hundred of that is from me.

I kind of wish he would give it to Bev Harris or helpamericarecount.org. He said he would use it to fight. Seems a little dishonest.

[rinsd]

89. It's more like $15M

The $45M figure is from his mid october filing reports.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apus_story.asp?category=1110&slug=Democrats%20Kerry

[mom cat]

13. Go to the voting issues forum . Check the compendium.

[kcwayne]

5. McCurry is saying it is OVER, so "Get OVER it DEMS!"

He is discrediting all of the analysis put forward on the blogosphere, telling us all to go home and take off our tin foil hats.

Man, am I flummoxed. Hey DNC, take me off your friggin mail list, I will never, never, NEVER support you again. You clowns played me for a chump, and I won't forgive that.

[mom cat]

7. I feel played too. I gave this my all. That is why I am fighting for the

recount...for me and all of us who worked so hard.

[VegasWolf]

20. I'm in your corner Mom.

[mom cat]

24. Great! If you can help with the recount, DU has an buzy task force.

Go to the "Voting Issues" forum and sign up. There is a lot to be done. Just jump in and grab a task.:bounce:

[Teaser]

49. McCurry was right...the votes aren't there.

Now, I still support a recount, because every vote deserves to be counted, but shitting on McCurry is stupid. They have better numbers than we do people. If they couldn't find the votes, the votes just weren't there.

This is such a distraction from things that needed getting done to revive progressive politics. We should be advocating recounts because progressives believe in absolute certainty, in a fact based reality, not because we have some pie-in-the-sky dream that Kerry actually won this thing.

[PATRICK]

53. Right about votes, clueless beyond belief about 'fraud"

Which means they were looking for people stuffing paper ballot boxes a la 19th Century. This is a bogus, incompetent and naive pose as vote dirprotection. It is more concerned about not rocking the sunk boak lying on the bottom of the polluted swamp.. It seals the doom of black voter rights publicly harassed and thrown out right into the e-voting machines the Kerry camp seems to know NOTHING about.

MAYBE the paper records are gone, but even those aren't kosher. Nowheres did Gore or Kerry even come close to challenging the outcome as fraud. Instead they surrendered and push the standard blind media memes.

Clueless people shouldn't run campaigns against ruthless crooks and then bow out because that's the nice, smooth thing to do. And expect to run again.

If this is it, DNC, forget it. No need to tttrash individiual when their own actions have rendered them uuseless and irrelevant as a credible political entity.

[PATRICK]

58. Get over it

The exact moment Kerry began to sink his first stage of the primary campaign. Don't they ever get that feeling of deja vu, reliving their worst decisions with their worst hardened points of view?

[Voltaire99]

71. Not one more cent. Not one more vote.

Until this party has real leadership, real candidates, and real positions.

It can reinvent itself as a progressive party, or, in my view, it can go fuck itself.

[aquart]

8. But that's what we wanted: A FIGHT FOR EVERY VOTE.

[mom cat]

28. We have to lead from below...as usual. The DU task forse is on it

and would love help. Just go to the "Voter Issues" forun and look for the sign up page. We need to do this for us, just to have the truth out there.

[MuseRider]

9. At this point

I do not honestly know what to think. I can not believe that Kerry has backed out, that there is not something going on behind the scenes. It makes sense that that would be the case but the longer it goes the more afraid I am that they did give up. I know that they know how serious this is so how could they just give up? They know how much we all put into this and they have to know how this affects us plain old citizens so how could they give up? What about the rest of the world? I feel either very naive or very screwed over and can't decide what I feel from one moment to the next. If he did just give it all up without a fight I think I will never get over it enough to ever give one hoot about Kerry again. Don't know, can't say. This limbo is killer though.

[mom cat]

36. Best thing to do in limbo is stay active. If "We The People" keep

raising a ruckus, we can force the issue or at least get more solid info so we and the rest of the world sees that this was stolen. We have to force the Democrats' hands. If they still demure in the face of the proof of fraud that is accumulating, then we form a new party.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

10. Well then they shouldn't have said they would fight

Why the fuck does McCurry think we financed all those lawyers? So Repubs could make sure lines were as long as the eye would see?

[madfloridian]

11. Thom Hartmann is good.

I hate to have to stream, but at least I have an option.
Franken is planning a political run, so he has to be good.

[Borgnine]

12. Spineless wimps, all of them.

They're not concerned about the good of the country or the well-being of the world. All they're concerned about is their pathetic public image and not appearing to be "sore losers."

Everyone here knew how important 2004 was and what was at stake. We also knew what they were capable of doing in regards to BBV. Obviously the Democratic Party doesn't care. They'll just move further to the right, take more reams from Bush, and go back to their large homes with a smile.

[Old Mouse]

14. Still hoping

Just before that President Carter was on and seemed to think the elections were a "travesty"
If someone of his level and influence seems to think the results are fraudulent we should assume others of that level do as well.

[VegasWolf]

23. Doubt it. All I see is awol making jokes about turkeys and making

cabinet changes. Life is flowing like honey with no
resistance from the resistance.

[DURHAM D]

15. Mike does not get it .

He doesn't know what he doesn't know.

They looked at reported numbers, not at source info.

They want to talk about the future - we have no future. The democrats could vote overwhelming in every senate, house and presidental race but they won't be the winner.

[grumpy old fart]

30. The idiot never heard of Warren County

and the homeland security hoax...These Demoquitter idiots don't even know what's happened...

[grasswire]

16. I hope someone gets the message to Kerry..

...that his political future is dead and his legacy in the toilet because he lied to us. The base.

I'd like to see the recounts overturn the election just to see Kerry forced to realize that he really is the elected president. I guess that would be a disappointment to him. A burden.

[Niccolo_Macchiavelli]

27. Kerry and Bush were in the same team and it was not your team (nt).

One could even see it from over the ocean.

[Lorien]

76. Hi Nicccolo_Macciavelli

Welcome to DU!

Love your city, it's fountains and it's bears. :hi:

[Ctrl_Alt_Del]

22. So WE took the country into the 2000 FL debacle?

Interesting... all this time, I thought it was repuke brownshirts.

We certainly wouldn't want to challenge their authority, now, would we?

Fuck these politicos... I knew they were exactly what we didn't need after Iowa. Howard Dean would have fought for those votes, damnit.

[DS1]

26. Apparently 4 years of Bush is better than 5 days of recounts

and the ensuing mediastorm.

RIP USA

[Ctrl_Alt_Del]

50. I guess so

Can't have any speed bumps on our road to ruin.

[Borgnine]

82. You're right.

My reservations about Kerry during the primaries were just that. He was too much of a politician. A political oppurtunist who wasn't running because he was outraged at what Bush was doing to the world, but because it was his time to shine. After Iowa and New Hampshire gave us Kerry, I tried to like him. I convinced myself that he wasn't a "flip-flopper." Now that he won't fight after he said he was going to, I have to wonder if that charge was somewhat accurate.

I agree about Dean fighting. The whole reason he ran was because he wanted to take down Bush and do things right, not because it was his turn to be president. This man desperately needs to head the DNC and give the Dems some backbone.

[DS1]

25. HEY MISTER! TWENTY FIVE DOLLARS!!

/Better off Dead.

Really wants his money back /

Fuck you John Kerry - if I ever catch you riding your bike along the Charles I'm pedalling up to you and demanding my fucking money back. You gutless shit.

[KurtNYC]

48. This made my blood boil... $45 million for recounts and ??

Washington (AP) - President Bush and Sen. John Kerry finished their primary campaigns with millions of dollars in the bank that could help cover the cost of a possible recount.

Kerry had about $45 million in leftover money that he could transfer to the Democratic Party for that purpose, while Bush had $16 million that could go to the GOP, the nonpartisan Center for Public Integrity watchdog group said Monday.

http://www.wjla.com/headlines/1104/184576.html

Cut that check to Bev Harris.

[barbaraann]

31. "Stop Crying in Your Teacups"

By David Podvin

“Stop crying in your teacups. It isn’t going to change. Get over it.”

That was the response of John Kerry to a liberal who condemned the theft of the presidency by George W. Bush. If the sentiment sounds familiar, that’s because it isn’t original. Kerry borrowed his words from America’s vapid conservative posse for whom chanting the phrase “Get over it” constitutes a dazzling display of wit.

Plagiarizing witticisms from Ann Coulter is not an endearing trait for a potential Democratic presidential nominee. It is one thing for liberals who are still incensed about the stolen election to be treated contemptuously by right wing banshees – it is an entirely different matter to incur such disdain from a man who seeks to be our champion.

But it is not unusual for Kerry to parrot the Republicans or be dismissive of liberal concerns. When members of the Congressional Black Caucus approached the senator for his support in challenging the Jim Crow tactics that subverted the 2000 presidential election, he told them to go away.
...
http://www.makethemaccountable.com/podvin/more/040124_StopCrying.htm

Perhaps someone can convince me not to feel betrayed.

[emulatorloo]

35. This has been debunked a jillion times on DU, and still gets dragged out

at DU as the gospel.

Kerry quoted out of context by Podvin, and his speech was cheered by the activists there.

[PATRICK]

60. A good point

But the memory that will be out of context THIS time is that the Dems folded and shut up. So it still is a repetition of a perception disaster.

[blm]

41. Podvin took that quote out of context and it has been debunked EVERY TIME

it has been posted.

Dems taking this quote out of context is no different than Bush taking the 87 billion quote out of context.

[AmericanGreatness]

32. Kerry lost because the other guy got more votes. Plain and simple.

I, too, wish it weren't this way, but it is time to face facts and begin preparing for 2008. There are too many of our top Democrats saying this for it not to be true. They have access to way more information than any of us have. If there were ANY chance, they'd be fighting it.

[grumpy old fart]

34. Wrong

Let's face this fact, big time Demoquitters are almost as beholden to Big Business as the Rethugs. That's why they're tell us to "get over it", it's time for them to get their fat faces back in the Pork Barrel.

[RuleofLaw]

37. Its amassing

Listening to Al Franken.

All the people he have on talking about the election appears to not know a damn thing!

The last guy said the 4000 extra votes in Ohio for bush was a computer mistake!

Again, Let me know the last time your computer made a tabulation mistake!

These people are clueless.

Bill McCurry said they looked at the numbers the morning after the election and decided nothing could be done. THE MORNING AFTER!

Here at DU it has taken literally hundreds of people two weeks to show just a hint of discrepancies!

How do these people expect the grassroots to support them again when they refuse to even pretend to stand up for us.

[grumpy old fart]

42. exactly

WTF is wrong with Franken. Laughing along with this Demoquitter as he demonstrates that he hasn't a clue about the myriad of potential fraud issues....disgusting.

[Lerkfish]

46. no, wrong. They should CONTINUE to fight, even if winning is not possible

1. because they promised they would
2. because making sure votes count correctly is more important than even this election
3. because we paid money to have them fight.

[0007]

51. -

[Old Mouse]

61. There will be no real election in 2008

Bush spent half of all his term in shoring up power and making the arraignments necessary to take over the government in 2004. The republicans will get the super majority in mid-term using the same machine that gave them victory this year. That will be the end of free elections in the United States. Like it or not, DU, BBV, Randi Rhodes, Laura Flanders, Greg Palast and the Internet itself are the final front in fascist corporate America's never ending attempt to end representational government. It's going to get a lot uglier than Florida's 2000 "recount".

For many, it's too big a concept to rationally accept. We need to discern those who cannot comprehend from those who wish to block comprehension.

[CityDem]

33. McCurry is a Clinton whore

He is waiting for Hillary in 2008. And regarding JFK, he never fought for our votes and will likely kick back in the senate and enjoy the good life. He has no clue how most americans live. His campaign was a fraud and a joke and I would not vote for him again. At the first sign of adversity, he turned and ran for cover. Maybe the swiftees were right.

[grumpy old fart]

39. They're mostly all whores...

If Kerry or any of the big time Demoquitters really cared about this country, they'd stand behind the pledge to count all the votes. Nader may be right...well, of course he is, but how are we gonna reign in the outright fascism of the right when all we offer at Big Business fed Demoquitters from a little further to the right?

[global1]

43. Do You Think That Maybe Kerry Really Is a ......

Flip-Flopper and the Edwards Trial Lawyers Ran Off With All the Money?

[SammyWinstonJack]

70. No

:eyes:

[GoSolar]

44. This was a hard interview to listen to.

I expect much better from Franken and Air America.
They are really not interested in knowing the facts behind the claims of fraud. I haven't heard any serious discussion of the discrepancy of the exit polls. They are not interested in counting the votes. I don't understand their motivations.
:wtf:

[__Inanna__]

54. It is over

Face it, Niccolo_Macchiavelli's post above is dead on. They can see stuff across an ocean that we can't, because we are too emotionally wrapped up in this. Not to mention that fact that we have to go underground or to other countries for the real news.

Al Franken wants to be a senator, not an activist. What do you expect? The thing that makes me most ashamed is he's from my home state, where most people are still honest.

The heck with 'em all. This is the closest I ever got to believing that any good could come out of a politician, and I was fooled this once. NEVER again.

[GoSolar]

72. Your points are well taken

but I am not giving up yet. The votes are still being counted.

[halley]

45. DIDN'T WANT TO PUT THE

COUNTRY THRU THAT AGAIN???? WHAT ABOUT THE THINGS BUSH IS DOING TO
OUR COUNTRY??

THESE PEOPLE BLOW!

[grumpy old fart]

47. This just Damn sucks...

Al Franken has made me officially sick today. I just emailed him to let him know what I think of his kiss ass questions to the Demoquitter guests. God, it was just an awful show today.

[0007]

52. Al Franken can piss up a rope from now on. Screw him!

[belab13]

57. still like Al, but my cynicism is reaching new lows.... if the evoting

issues aren't cleared up, then why bother voting.


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[deminflorida]

56. Franken and Kerry's New Book...Crying Criers and the Tea Cups

They Cry In.

Coming to a Book Store near you.


:eyes:


Actually I'm a Computer Engineer...and Kerry sitting on all that money and not helping all those folks get to the bottom of this is insulting my intelligence.

I read the Risk Assessment documents, anyone associated with the IT industry should be shocked at the possiblities of intrusion here.

[deminflorida]

62. Let me just add, Why don't We Ask Wes Clark what the Military

outcry would be if DOD Defense Systems had these types of vulnerabilities in them. There would be Senate Armed Forces investigations up the ASS.

[sweetladybug]

68. What is wrong with you people? Do you honestly think top Democrats

(Kerry included) aren't checking shit or having investigators out looking for voting fraud. THEY CAN NOT ACCUSE ANYONE OF FRAUD UNTIL THEY HAVE THE PROOF. I still have faith at this time. I really think they are getting their ducks in a row(and they are playing it cool right now and IF and WHEN they can prove fraud all hell will break loose. GIVE THESE PEOPLE A BENEFIT OF A DOUBT!

[Tomee450]

75. I wish you were right,

but I don't think so. As far as Kerry and the rest of the Democratic Party leadership is concerned, it's over. I don't think they are doing anything behind the scenes to investigate fraud or other irregularities.

[lynx rufus]

80. The body is getting cold, the evidence has been carted away,

the crime will go unpunished

[Voltaire99]

74. The worst part of this whole sad ordeal...

...is not that Bush is still in office. Bushism wasn't go to go away simply with a Kerry election. He planned no more than tweaks to the Patriot Act, and he swore up and down that he'd fight the war in Iraq, appoint anti-choice judges, fill corporate coffers. At best he offered a small spot of shade from the blistering sun.

No, the worst result is the misused idealism. The shat-upon hopes and passions. Anyone sensible had to fear that, even if Kerry won, the cause of progressive reform would be set back by years. Now it is increasingly evident that belief in the ballot itself has further atrophied.

All it would have taken was a little effort! A little fight out of the Kerry camp. A sign that it cared about all the people who stood for hours, who weathered GOP interference, who pledged and prayed and avowed and acted. And as DemocracyNow.org reports today, the campaign is *still* sitting on $50 million in unspent funds--our money--rather than using it to contest the gamed counts.

You left us all in the lurch, John. Fighting and losing is no offense. Not fighting, however... Hide your face, you small, small man.

[lynx rufus]

81. I wish I didn't have to agree with you

We worked damn hard to elect him, too bad he didn't even bother to
show up.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

84. The worst part is the Courts. The Supreme Court and Federal Courts.

People with a far right viewpoint will be put in and will remain there for decades. THIS is what effects the everyday person more than anything. The "little" people are screwed and corporations will be running the country and getting away with much more than they are already.

[samtob]

78. Where does the money raised for post election legal

costs end up? I feel a little put-out over donating. Does anyone know where the money went? Is it in the DNC fund to spend how they see fit? Pardon my ignorance on this, do not have time to research campaign finance laws. More curious than anything.

Didn't we raise approx 9 million for this?

[grumpy old fart]

83. Emails every day from them....

asking for donations, promising that all the votes would be counted. Hate to say it, but it looks like we were had by our own people. Sure hope somebody would prove me wrong, but all I hear from the big wig Demoquitters is that it's over. Essentially saying they could give give a shit if our election system is rife with fraud, but send us more money so we can fuck you again in 2008!

[mitchum]

85. WELL, I WANT MY MONEY BACK!

[demo dutch]

88. Are Kerry and staff just pretending not to be involved

but behind the scene they've got lawyers all over this thing.

See this link interesting theory...

http://www.moderateindependent.com/v2i21election.htm