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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:26 PM
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Volusia County election records just got put on lockdown
Dueling lawyers, election officials gnashing teeth, Votergate.tv film crew catching it all.

Here's what happened so far:

Friday Black Box Voting investigators Andy Stephenson and Kathleen Wynne popped in to ask for some records. They were rebuffed by an elections official named Denise. Bev Harris called on the cell phone from investigations in downstate Florida, and told Volusia County Elections Supervisor Deanie Lowe that Black Box Voting would be in to pick up our Nov. 2 Freedom of Information request, or would file for a hand recount. "No, Bev, please don't do that!" she exclaimed. But this is the way it has to be, folks. We didn't back down.

Monday Bev, Andy and Kathleen came in with a film crew and asked for the FOIA request. Deanie Lowe gave it to us with a smile, but I noticed that one item, the polling place tapes, were not copies of the real ones, but instead were new printouts, done on Nov. 15, and not signed by anyone.

I asked to see the real ones, and they told us for "privacy" reasons we can't have copies of the signed ones. I insisted on at least viewing them (although refusing to give us copies of the signatures is not legally defensible, according to our attorney). They said the real ones were in the County Elections warehouse. It was quittin' time and we arranged to come back this morning to review them.

Lana Hires, an employee who gained some notoriety in a Diebold memo, where she asked for an explanation of minus 16,022 votes for Gore, so she wouldn't have to stand there "looking dumb" when the auditor came in, was particularly unhappy about seeing us in the office. She vigorously shook her head when Deanie Lowe suggested we go to the warehouse.

Kathleen Wynne and I showed up at the warehouse at 8:15 this morning. There was Lana Hires looking especially gruff, yet surprised. She ordered us out. Well, we couldn't see why because there she was, with a couple other people, handling the original poll tapes. You know, the ones with the signatures on them. We stepped out and they promptly shut the door behind us.

There was a trash bag on the porch outside the door. I looked into it and what do you know, but there were poll tapes in there. They came out and glared at us. We drove away a small bit, and then videotaped the license plates of the two vehicles marked 'City Council' member. Others came out to glare and soon all doors were slammed.

So, we went and parked behind a bus to see what they would do next. They pulled out some large pylons, which blocked the door. I decided to go look at the garbage some more. Kathleen videotaped this. A man came out and I immediately wrote a public records request for the contents of the garbage bag, which also contained ballots -- real ones, but not filled out.

A brief tug of war occurred, tearing the garbage bag open. We then looked through it, as Pete looked on. He was quite friendly.

We collected various poll tapes and other information and asked if they could copy it for us, for our public records request. "You won't be going anywhere," said Pete. "The deputy is on his way."

Yes, not one but two police cars came up and then two county elections officials, and we all stood around discussing the merits of my public records request.

They finally let us go, about the time our film crew arrived, and we all trooped off to the elections office. There, the plot thickened.

We began to compare the special printouts given to us with the signed polling tapes from election night. Lo and behold, some were missing. We also found some that didn't match. In fact, in one location, precinct 215, an African-American precinct, the votes were off by hundreds, in favor of George W. Bush and other Republicans.

Hmm. Which was right? Our polling tape, specially printed on Nov. 15, without signatures, or theirs, printed on Nov. 2, with up to 8 signatures per tape?

Well, then it became even more interesting. Lana Hires took it upon herself to box up some items from an office, which appeared to contain -- you guessed it -- polling place tapes. She took them to the back of the building and disappeared.

Then, voting integrity advocates from Volusia and Broward, decided now would be a good time to go through the trash at the elections office. Lo and behold, they found all kinds of memos and some polling place tapes, fresh from Volusia elections office.

So, we compared these with the Nov. 2 signed ones and the "special' ones from Nov. 15 given to us, unsigned, and we found several of the MISSING poll tapes. There they were: In the garbage.

So, Kathleen went to the car and got the polling place tapes we had pulled from the warehouse garbage. My my my. There were not only discrepancies, but a polling place tape that was signed by six officials.

This was a bit disturbing, since the employees there told us that bag was destined for the shredder.

By now, a county lawyer had appeared on the scene, suddenly threatening to charge us extra for the time we took looking at the real stuff they had withheld from us in our FOIA. Other lawyers appeared, phoned, people had meetings, Lana glowered at everyone, and someone shut the door in the office holding the GEMS server.

Andy then went to get the GEMS server locked down. He also got the memory cards locked down and secured, much to the dismay of Lana. They were scattered around unsecured in any way before that.

We then all agreed to convene tomorrow morning, to further audit, discuss the hand count that Black Box Voting will require of Volusia County, and of course, it is time to talk about contesting the election in Volusia.

Bev Harris
Executive Director
Black Box Voting

Together with Andy, and Kathleen.

xxxooo
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:29 PM
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1. i see dead votes
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Ima Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:35 PM
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14. Thanks for the report
I'll bet there is lots of interesting trash.
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Tace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:34 PM
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82. I See Bev Harris On The Next Silver Dollar
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loritooker Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 02:08 AM
Response to Reply #82
207. I see her on the cover of Time magazine as Woman of the Year
But that's just for starters!!!
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DUBYASCREWEDUS Donating Member (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 03:19 PM
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322. HOORAY! GO BEV, GO!
I have seen several reports where on election night Karen Hughes was telling Bush at 8:00 P.M. that he lost Ohio and to get ready to give his concession speech, yet Bush did not seem perplexed by this - like he knew something different. Has anyone else seen this?
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man4allcats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:47 PM
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379. Bush stoic?
Yes, I read it at < http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1106-30.htm >. In discussing Bush's then anticipated loss to a Kerry landslide, the article quotes an AP report which stated that "Bush took the news stoically." I remember thinking when I read it how curious it struck me that Bush might be stoic in this situation. Actually, I can't quite imagine him being stoic in any situation. Stoicism implies some degree of introspection and therefore intellect. Well, I guess I might have known. It's easy to put on a good act if you know the fix is in.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:30 PM
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2. Holy Crap Bev!
Headed for the shredder even.

I can't wait to hear the final results of this.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:30 PM
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3. Hi Bev, thanks for the update. We love you!!!
Your efforts to protect democracy are TRUE PATRIOTISM.
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lizzieforkerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:31 PM
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4. OMG!!!!
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Ducks In A Row Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:49 PM
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34. Sing it! OMG
email this to Olbermann.

Damn, email to Jon Stewart. Maybe he'll send someone down to do a "report".
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rdmccur Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:04 AM
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278. Jon Stewart
Sending it to Jon Stewart is a phenomenal idea!
Also to Keith Olbermann
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FighttheFuture Donating Member (748 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:07 PM
Response to Reply #278
346. I think Keith Olbermann is gone.. or sent to "retraining" camp...
Too bad.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 08:15 PM
Response to Reply #34
397. I sent it toOlbermann
Although, I would imagine BBV people already did.

Did you Bev?

He probably has lots of copies, but that's what delete is for.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:31 PM
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5. My my my my my. What have we here. I imagine that tonight
the gentle hum of shredders will reverberate across the "Sunshine" state.

Congratulations, rock on; we're behind you.
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jcv1 Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:32 PM
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6. Bev is an angel
OH.......................MY...........................GOD!!!!!
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:32 PM
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7. So much for the frigging fools who say we 'lost' this election. It was
FRAUD AND THEFT ALL THE WAY. Florida and Ohio.

This woman needs to be awarded some kind of medal. Maybe we should come up with one.
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Ducks In A Row Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:54 PM
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42. the freepers still won't believe it, even when the video comes out
it's fraud, and it's treason.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:43 AM
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236. I read that as "video game"! Wouldnt a BBV video game be great?
See Bev kick Lana's ass, martial arts style. BAM! KAPOW!
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:54 PM
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299. Believe it? They're behind it!
--IMM
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:38 PM
Response to Reply #7
154. I'd like to award a little something to Lana, too.
Something eight by ten for about five years.
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oldtime dfl_er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:29 AM
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272. Get Bev Harris one of those "genius grants"!!!!
anybody on the board of the MacArthur Foundation?
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theorist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:33 PM
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8. Thanks for giving them hell, Bev!
We need you out there.
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Tesibria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:34 PM
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9. all i can say is you go girl!!! (girls...and guy)..................nt
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paula777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:34 PM
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10. This SHOULD be the headlines on every paper tomorrow!!!
But probably won't
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cybildisobedience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #10
41. Seriously....
can you even imagine a more significant story?
Bev, you are amazing -- if only more people heard the truth.
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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:34 PM
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11. Bev we are behind you 1000%!!!
Kick!!!!
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:35 PM
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12. I nominate Bev for Goddess of Democracy!
do I hear a second?
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:40 PM
Response to Reply #12
20. I'll second that!
The Florida shit is really hitting the fan!
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truehawk Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:51 PM
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35. CyperWarrior Goddess- Athena Lives
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prof_science Donating Member (343 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:41 PM
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176. I third that motion...
Bev Harris is a true patriot. Years from now schoolchildren will study her works as an example of true democracy.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:35 PM
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13. Make sure you get this to Randi,
so she can get it on the air coast to coast. Should help to expedite Ohio too, if these things are out in the open.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 06:31 AM
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386. For some odd reason
Randi didn't want to let this out on the air yesterday. Perhaps she doesn't want to alert the Republicans as to what is really going on???
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Blue Gardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:36 PM
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15. Thank You!
You are an inspiration. I would have loved to have been there to see them squirm.
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machiado Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:25 AM
Response to Reply #15
233. We'll probably see it in
the Michael Moore documentary that will be made on votergate.
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:04 AM
Response to Reply #233
246. Votergate, the film, is happening right now.
Go to: www.votergate.tv

Donate, if you can. These guys are doing the job of the media.
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:38 PM
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16. And this is only the tip of the Iceberg.
I hate people trying to hide their own incompetence.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:38 PM
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17. third world chicanery
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mdb Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:39 PM
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18. Wow!
So secretive. With a lock down and such (and this after the certification). We all know they had something big to hide.
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #18
103. Welcome to DU
and yes they have something to hide...that was apparent.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:39 PM
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19. Damn, send out the dumpster divers
I bet it might not be a bad idea, for each of us to check the trash in our own counties. You never know what you might find?

You would think they would have been smart enough to use a shredder. Thank god for stupid people, I suppose?
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:07 PM
Response to Reply #19
98. Trash is like a box of chocolates...
you never know what your going to get.

Andy
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 04:08 AM
Response to Reply #98
219. And you got the one with the cherry in the middle!
;)
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LongTomH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #98
311. Actually, it's more like a jar of jalapenos!
What you did last night can burn your ass today! :evilgrin:
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:41 PM
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21. I'm a bit confused here, Bev..."tapes" I assume are rolls of paper like
what comes out of a cash register??

What kind of hardware "produces" them? And what do they 'look' like?
Something akin to a receipt from a grocery store? Sorry to be so dumb on this.. :eyes:
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:48 PM
Response to Reply #21
32. Yes, exactly like a register tape!
Only more important! :evilgrin:

You can't return the Administration without a receipt! :)
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:03 PM
Response to Reply #32
51. LOL!
Love it! :D
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CAcyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:43 PM
Response to Reply #32
88. Hello Congress? I Need To Make A Return
on my president order. The one I received is damaged. Can I send him back and get a new one?
Oh, only if I have a receipt?
Well, I'll look around for it.
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jhgatiss Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #32
129. YAY!
So what if other people are destroying similar evidence now to make this look isolated?
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:52 AM
Response to Reply #32
244. Thanks...you might not see this, been out of pocket since last nite
;-)
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:41 PM
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These dirty, treasonous scoundrels are as guilty as sin!! Fantastic work!
I kinda wish Kerry and the Dem party would show up pretty soon as reinforcements for you guys! You'd think they might find this a fairly important endeavor you guys have embarked upon here - SAVING DEMOCRACY IN AMERICA!!

:shrug:
:yourock:
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SayitAintSo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:38 PM
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85. I think they are there.... behind the scenes...shhhhhhh
shhhhhhhh.... don't tell anybody... it might get the pukes little knickers in a twist.....
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:56 PM
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92. Everybody e-mail this stuff to the Kerry people and the FL and Ohio
Democratic Parties. Conyers and his group. Anybody else?

God, would someone please get all of this stuff secure so they can't destroy anything else. We needed to do this on Nov 3rd.
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:41 PM
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22. These dirty, treasonous scoundrels are as guilty as sin!! Fantastic work!
I kinda wish Kerry and the Dem party would show up pretty soon as reinforcements for you guys! You'd think they might find this a fairly important endeavor you guys have embarked upon here - SAVING DEMOCRACY IN AMERICA!!

:shrug:
:yourock:
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:42 PM
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23. And just where the hell was Agent Mike.......
.......when we really needed him? :shrug:

When Bev Harris 'talks trash' about someone, people listen! :)

Looks like we need more fences and security cameras. :evilgrin:
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AgadorSparticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:42 PM
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24. holy cow. CYA everything. video tape everything. these people
are nasty. you guys rock!! :yourock: hang in there & thanks for all your hard work. aim for the turkies and fire away. if you need more dough, i'm up to giving some more at the end of the month. we are with you guys all the way!!
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:54 PM
Response to Reply #24
161. Video tape and make copies of the tapes.
I know they know but I'm bouncing here.

May God and all good strong things protect Bev and Andy and all who help them.

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Spera Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:43 PM
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25. Thank you Bev.
Kicking this for everyone to see.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:45 PM
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26. Bev first THANK YOU. Second can you prevent other materials from being
Edited on Tue Nov-16-04 06:46 PM by mzmolly
*shredded* before an investigation in all Florida counties??

I am shocked they are allowed to "shred" anything. Banks are required to keep docs for 7 years! Why isn't the integrity of our votes as critical?

GRR!

Your a true patriot Bev! Thanks again :)
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:09 AM
Response to Reply #26
188. Oh, they're not allowed to shred this stuff, Molly ...
It's not only WAY illegal, but the way they went about it, why good golly, mzmolly, that sounds like a criminal CONSPIRACY! But of course, that's just my THEORY about what they were up to!

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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:46 PM
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27. OK, I'll continue with my standard line. Somebody send this to Keith
Olberman and David Shuster ASAP.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:46 PM
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28. Gnashing teeth over here
DAMN this democracy is dying
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Blue Gardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:47 PM
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29. Nominated for the home page
This is good.
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Ducks In A Row Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:11 PM
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64. so did I
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:47 PM
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89. Definitely front page material!
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Mike Nelson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:47 PM
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30. BEV HARRIS & FRIENDS -- THANK YOU!
I can only imagine (with horror) the Kerry/Edwards votes that are already in shredders and fireplaces.

I look forward to your reports, Bev. You are an inspiration.
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:02 PM
Response to Reply #30
50. thank you Bev
we are very grateful for the work you do
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:48 PM
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31. AMAZING !!
for every battle you win Bev, sadly I suspect dozens more go without even being fought.
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:49 PM
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33. Fuck yeah!
That is AWESOME. What SCUMBAGS!! I hope my $25 helped. I'll contribute again ASAP. You folks are true American patriots. Strike them down with furious vengence, guardian angels of democracy.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:51 PM
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36. Wow, good job, Bev!
I wonder how many polling place tapes could have been destroyed before you, Andy, & Kathleen showed up.

It gripes me that the police showed up with election officials & they automatically assumed you were doing something wrong. They should have brought the paddy wagon & arrested those who refused to give you the information you requested.
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desi826 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:52 PM
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37. Am sending all of these posts to the DNC
as they come in.
I hope others are doing the same with the DNC, DLC, and the media. They need to know that we are not going to let go of this.
Let's not let Bev do all of the heavy lifting.
Des
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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:09 PM
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60. Ditto - I just did the same
Sent to the DNC and now sending to Olbermann and anyone else I can think of.

Thank you Bev & crew for DOING something about Shrub Inc.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:52 PM
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38. I am seriously humbled, every single voting box should have
had the same scrutiny that you have imposed on those Florida ones, I believe this is not limited to only Ohio and Florida, you are definately worthy of the praise you have recieved on this thread and I myself and many other's should be taken note to offer the same action in daring to fight for a democracy that so many of us seem to take for granted...

Thank you...
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Ducks In A Row Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:52 PM
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39. can any of these people be arrested? there has to be a felony here.
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markusd Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:53 PM
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40. Volusia? Shouldn't ALL of Florida must be contested!
Bev - You're the greatest, and we are all tremendously excited by your progress.

What worries me is that you will find that hundreds, maybe thousands, of votes were stolen for Bush in Volusia - but not nearly enough to change the state results, of course. I suspect that this crap went on all over Florida, skimming a few hundred votes here, a few thousand there, and turning a Kerry victory into a Bush rout. Based on what you have already found in Volusia, what can be done to prevent a quick cover-up of the fraud that likely took place in the rest of Florida? Anything?

I'd be very happy if you proved that there was fraud and we get a cleaner voting system for next time. I'd be happier still if we could overturn this election, and get Kerry the Electoral Votes that I believe he rightly won and will make him President.

Again, thanks for everything you're doing. You are our best hope, and we're all behind you!
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LongTomH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 02:01 PM
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312. The scary thing is......
next time, they're going to be much slicker about covering their trail! That's why we've absolutely got to blow the lid of this NOW!
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dave502d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:56 PM
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43. USAt,what a country.nice work Bev Harris,Make sure to watch your back.n/t
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The Flaming Red Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:56 PM
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44. Thank you for doing this.
You're wonderful!
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:56 PM
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45. Whose watching Lana? Lock her down please!!!!


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Liberal Mommy Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:05 PM
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54. Bev, you are a true American hero
Thank you for all you do! :pals:
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:58 PM
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46. Good Lord have mercy
That is crazy. Good luck in trying to find the truth.
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:10 PM
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62. Hey just because those security moms
at the elections office were probably rigging the election doesn't mean they should go to jail! They have mortgages ,just like our brave media, and someone has to pay for little Joeys tutoring. I'm sure they would just like to be at home tonight watching "Fearfactor". Rather than living it out!
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fwiff Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:00 PM
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47. Awright! How can they say this wasn't planned?
(except the getting caught part) :kick:
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DeepGreen Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:00 PM
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48. A Big Big Thanks from Boulder !!!!!!!
Thanks Bev !!!!!

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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:00 PM
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49. Bev, Andy, Kathleen, the Nation owes you our deepest gratitude.
Keep fighting for our democracy, PLEASE!
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:03 PM
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52. THIS IS HUGE....
:wow:
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:04 PM
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53. RICO? Is It Legal For Them To Try and Throw Away Those Tapes?
WTF is going on? Can you explain, please, the legal ramifications of throwing away and/or destroying those tapes, please? And of forging the copies that were wrong?

This is mind blowing.
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:05 PM
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55. Nominated for front page.
Think of the establishment media missing this INCREDIBLE story.

Bev and friends, you are heroes of democracy.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:59 PM
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138. media missing story
Not only will the media miss this story because they are under Georgie's thumb, but because they are just plain lazy. It seems to me they don't report stories unless it is handed to them on a silver platter.

Whatever happened to "real" journalism? This story is incredible!


Bev -- you are an amazing person!! Thanks to you and your friends...this country owes you big time!!!!!
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lawladyprof Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:05 PM
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56. But if other counties can't produce the originals
Then we are long way (all the way?) toward showing that the results were wrong--seriously off. And if discrepancy between original and new tapes and reported totals, then fraud by a preponderance of the evidence and almost surely reasonable doubt.
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Spangle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:57 PM
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181. Proves the need for a PAPER trail
Something that they do not want to admit. NO paper trail, no way to verfy anything. What is certified, is what is certifed

I call it "Fill in your own scores and forget about it."
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:06 PM
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57. Send this to Kerry's people. We need to be locking down all this stuff
everywhere in the friggin country.
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:14 PM
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67. Yeah. Kinda hard to see how the Kerry people can IGNORE THIS!!
Enough of the low profile already! It's time to fight for justice - and the SURVIVAL OF OUR DEMOCRACY, for Godsakes! That's a just a tad more important than any individual's future political career!! C'mon Dems - Bev & Co. are opening up the nasty pearl for you! The truth is fraud was rampant in this election - and still is! Make sure every vote counts indeed! LEADERSHIP!!
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rdmccur Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:41 AM
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285. Europe
Just alerted the 'votemaster' who runs www.electoral-vote.com (in the Netherlands?) to Bev Harris latest report on blackboxvoting--asked him to help spread this news to European media
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 12:14 AM
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382. I just hammered some more on media/ BOE: NC
I just will not abide this. they may come and shoot me but I cannot take this.

To: gary.bartlett@ncmail.net
Subject: Why was a Diebold employee allowed to operate Gaston voting equipment?
Cc: hammondmv@netzero.com,Trena.Parker@buncombecounty.org,don.wright@ncmail.net,cbothwell@mountainx.com,Sue_book@link.freedom.com, KINGSPINNACLE@aol.com,pfloyd@co.gaston.nc.us,tckcom@aol.com,dloftis@co.gaston.nc.us,ice@co.gaston.nc.us,jtorbett@co.gaston.nc.us,mjordan@co.gaston.nc.us,BAPPELBAUM@CHARLOTTEOBSERVER.COM

Marsha V. Hammond, PhD

It seems I just cannot shut-up, Mr. Bartlett. I am sorry to be such a plague but these voting problems have been building for years and now is the year to address the matter with great vigor.

The voting irregularities across NC are completely unacceptable. Please see: there are over 400 instances of voting irregularities in NC to date:
https://voteprotect.org/index.php?display=EIRMapState&c... .

Moreover, it now appears that a Diebold employee was allowed to maintain the voting machines in Gaston county on a voting day(s). Is this true?

Please do include all of this information along with what I have already submitted for my ';Election Protest' on November 29th. I am waiting for the letter in the mail from Buncombe county.

Can you possibly be allowing a DRE employee----with the history that Diebold has re: vote manipulation in GA; the lawsuit in CA just a week ago (2.6 million) ---to work with the voting machinery in a NC county? Relatedly, here is an excerpt from the memo below:

"For now Metamor accepts the requirement to restrict the server password to authorized staff in the jurisdiction, and that it should be the responsibility of the jurisdiction to restrict knowledge of this password. So no action is necessary in this matter, at this time..."

Moreover, re: the Diebolds and all their problems, there is the below memo. The Diebold machines are very accessible. Your voting count in Gaston county is untrustworthy, therefore.

See also (re: Diebolds):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... 203&topic_id=45003&mesg_id=46004&page

http://www.votersunite.org/electionproblems.asp?offset=...

http://cnn.aimtoday.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?&idq=/ff/sto...

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20041112-112037...

http://www.mountainx.com/news/2004/0519evote.php

http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,60563-2,00.ht...



It's hard to believe that even after this internal Diebold memo became public, Diebold is allowed to operate the machines on election day in 2004. Were the Gaston officials unaware of this?

Also interesting is the reply from Finberg. He says that Metamor (Ciber), who certifies the machines, restricts the server password to authorized staff in the jurisdiction. Diebold people are not in the jurisdiction (by this I assume Metamor restricted access to only government officials of a particular jurisdiction). I wonder if this is still the case.


http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0309/S00150.htm

__________

Reply from Ken Clark, principal engineer for Diebold Election Systems

RE: alteration of Audit Log in Access

To:
Subject: RE: alteration of Audit Log in Access
From: "Ken Clark"
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:55:02 -0700
Importance: Normal
In-reply-to:

Its a tough question, and it has a lot to do with perception. Of course everyone knows perception is reality.

Right now you can open GEMS' .mdb file with MS-Access, and alter its contents. That includes the audit log. This isn't anything new. In VTS, you can open the database with progress and do the same. The same would go for anyone else's system using whatever database they are using. Hard drives are read-write entities. You can change their contents.

Now, where the perception comes in is that its right now very *easy* to change the contents. Double click the .mdb file. Even technical wizards at Metamor (or Ciber, or whatever) can figure that one out.

It is possible to put a secret password on the .mdb file to prevent Metamor from opening it with Access. I've threatened to put a password on the .mdb before when dealers/customers/support have done stupid things with the GEMS database structure using Access. Being able to end-run the database has admittedly got people out of a bind though. Jane (I think it was Jane) did some fancy footwork on the .mdb file in Gaston recently. I know our dealers do it. King County is famous for it. That's why we've never put a password on the file before.

Note however that even if we put a password on the file, it doesn't really prove much. Someone has to know the password, else how would GEMS open it. So this technically brings us back to square one: the audit log is modifiable by that person at least (read, me). Back to perception though, if you don't bring this up you might skate through Metamor.

There might be some clever crypto techniques to make it even harder to change the log (for me, they guy with the password that is). We're talking big changes here though, and at the moment largely theoretical ones. I'd doubt that any of our competitors are that clever.

By the way, all of this is why Texas gets its sh*t in a knot over the log printer. Log printers are not read-write, so you don't have the problem. Of course if I were Texas I would be more worried about modifications to our electronic ballots than to our electron logs, but that is another story I guess.

Bottom line on Metamor is to find out what it is going to take to make them happy. You can try the old standard of the NT password gains access to the operating system, and that after that point all bets are off. You have to trust the person with the NT password at least. This is all about Florida, and we have had VTS certified in Florida under the status quo for nearly ten years.

I sense a loosing battle here though. The changes to put a password on the .mdb file are not trivial and probably not even backward compatible, but we'll do it if that is what it is going to take.

Ken

__________

Reply by Nel Finberg

from: *****NC Transfer Error Misses 12,000 Votes
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ...

Fiasco in North Carolina
(text of an AP article, no link)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ...



RE: alteration of Audit Log in Access

To:
Subject: RE: alteration of Audit Log in Access
From: "Nel Finberg"
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 14:48:16 -0700
Importance: Normal

Thanks for the response, Ken. For now Metamor accepts the requirement to restrict the server password to authorized staff in the jurisdiction, and that it should be the responsibility of the jurisdiction to restrict knowledge of this password. So no action is necessary in this matter, at this time. Nel

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4democracy Donating Member (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:08 PM
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58. You are amazing, Bev!!
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:09 PM
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59. Bev, you are truly a beacon!
You have our support 1000%

If there's anything we can do, let us know...
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republikkkon Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:25 PM
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76. THANK YOU BEV!!!!!!
:yourock:
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:10 PM
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61. Good job!
Well done!

:thumbsup:
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:08 PM
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100. You aint seen nothing yet....
trust me on this.
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:42 PM
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122. Don't tease us like that, Andy! Thanks for everything you're doing.
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T Roosevelt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:11 PM
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63. How much of this is on video?
That's critical - if they're on tape with this stuff...where's Greg Palast?

And right in my backyard - this sucks!
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:05 AM
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222. It is ALL on tape
I really love the part where the election worker takes out the trash. That ia what you would call a KODAK moment.
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Chimpanzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:47 AM
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243. Can you put it on your BBV site so we can all see
and download a copy incase it happens to go 'missing'?
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 01:38 PM
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308. If you have a tape you sould make it public ASAP
Show the nation. Show the world. These people are like the aliens in Pitch Black... they smoke and burn at the light of day.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:21 PM
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348. The film is owned by the Votergate.tv people
Except part of it which Kathleen filmed at the warehouse. Today we had a very interesting Bev vs. two Volusia lawyers meeting, but the audio on it needs cleanup since it picked up background noise.

This is not something that will come out instantly.

Bev
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masshole1979 Donating Member (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 12:04 AM
Response to Reply #348
381. make the video come out instantly
...before there's an injunction or whatever else legal chicanery they can get ahold of--or just walk in and steal it from you, to prevent you from transmitting it.

At the very least make digital copies and send them out across the world (far, far away from US jurisdiction) to people and places you can trust.

Please, please tell us you've done this.
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:12 PM
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65. huggles and thanks to Bev and Crew.
you are amazing people.
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noonriser Donating Member (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:12 PM
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66. Love you Bev!!!!!!!!!
You are my idol.

:loveya: :loveya: :loveya:
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Gelliebeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:15 PM
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68. way to go Bev
take care of yourselves down there
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:16 PM
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69. Is it FOIA or Sunshine Act?
I think this is mixed up.

Thanks for the local news. This is big.

The interesting thing is that I saw a statistical analysis poste on DU which showed that electoral fraud in Florida was more readily observable in the rural counties.


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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:28 PM
Response to Reply #69
78. Doesn't a candidate have to ask for recount?
Who will it be?
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:19 PM
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70. This is very interesting.
I find myself wondering how they plan on getting out of it. I am sure there is an army of legal pro's working on just that.

Bev, Andy and Kathleen, wonderful work! I wish I were there having some of the fun with you.

Perhaps you could print post cards depicting some of the antics there. I know would love to send them to the Repug's in my life. :)
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tilsammans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:20 PM
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71. Wow!
THANK YOU Bev, Andy, and Kathleen!

:yourock:

:loveya:
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:20 PM
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72. Bev you are a warrior
but I do worry for our safety( I hope you have your own security)

You are giving me hope again, when I was wondering where I could get anymore energy.

but really what can I(we) do. i am here in georgia and work full time.
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:22 PM
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73. I knew you were gettin' busy...you go girl!!!
W T G Bev.

Take care of yourselves. Know that you are in my prayers.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:24 PM
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74. this is UNBLELIEVABLE.....WTF is the MEDIA>>>> ?????????????
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Cadence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #74
118. I was just thinking that!
You can't even CALL them media anymore or journalists, they should all be re-labeled "talkshows" because that's about all they are. What a messed up so called democracy we are living in when private citizens have to take it upon themselves to be investigative reporters and basically do the job of the FBI all by themselves to preserve the integrity of the very system our entire form of government is built on!
Thank God for Bev Harris and the bloggers! :yourock:


Be safe Bev. Keep the camera's rolling!
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JD Lau Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 02:35 AM
Response to Reply #118
212. My sentiments exactly, Cadence!
But at least we "still" live in a country where private citizens can make some waves.

And yes...THANK YOU BEV and BBV!!!
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 06:48 AM
Response to Reply #74
387. What Media???
The Media as we wish it should be, has abandoned their Constitutional Responsibility, and is at the beck and call of the Administration...their own Propaganda Bureau.

How quickly does one forget that at the run-up to the war in Iraq, and for almost a year afterward, they were the greatest cheerleaders.....


We The People have been sold out to the highest bidder.

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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 09:54 AM
Response to Reply #387
391. Hmmm....don't know if the media has a Constitutional responsibility...
....however, the air waves are public property and they only kind of "rent" them.

Usually, when renters abuse property, they get thrown off.

This is another case of government allowing private concerns to abuse a public resource for private gain.
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Idylle Moon Dancer Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:24 PM
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75. I'm sending another $25 tomorrow
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:25 PM
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77. It's all on film for the world to see! Excellent!
These people have no shame! Bev, Andy and Kathleen, PLEASE be careful! You're dealing with the BFEE here. They don't like to lose. Be vary, very careful. :scared:

Thanks for the update!

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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:28 PM
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79. Somebody tell True Is All.
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:32 PM
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80. I wouldn't be surprised to see....
DUers dumpster diving across the country tomorrow! Great work Bev and company!
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:34 PM
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81. Why? nt
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:37 PM
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83. You rock, Bev!
Thanks for taking the time to write this for us. We are getting the real insider scoop, and I can't believe you have time to do it with all you have on your plate. Your are my hero. :yourock:
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:38 PM
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84. Volusia County is the county that refused to surrender its votes in 2000
for the recount by the media consortium. That county was eventually sued. The total number of votes which were eventually surrendered (when Volusia lost the lawsuit) did not comport with the number counted on election night. There were a lot fewer votes.

Congratulations on your tenacity. We all owe you a huge debt of gratitude.
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Rjnerd Donating Member (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:39 PM
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86. Bev, You have earned
Edited on Tue Nov-16-04 07:42 PM by Rjnerd
An official Brown Cross Dumpster Diving Instructor Certification wall plaque. Hail Eris.

It is just so apt, that some dumpster diving might just turn things against Jeb's brother...

From someone that has dumpster dived on international TV, I salute you.

(The "certificates" are quite real. A friend who has a lot to do with the domestic recyling community at MIT (He AFAIK coined the term "Shopping at Curb Depot" as a euphemism for cruising the streets on trash night) , makes them as gifts for friends. They are painted on a chunk of steel flame cut from an actual dumpster. I supply him with the slabs of dumpster. Don't worry, they are from dumpsters found in scrapyards -- Yes, they do sometimes throw away dumpsters, and crazies like me pay $0.10/lb to hack bits from them)

-dp-
Founder, The New England Rubbish Deconstruction Society; The NERDS
The first American team to appear on the TV series Junkyard Wars.



(edit to fix a few spelling gaffes)
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:51 PM
Response to Reply #86
130. From Bev, as Andy, on behalf of Kathleen
It is Kathleen who deserves the first officials such award for Black Box Voting.

I must tell you this story: Kathleen said, "these guys make me mad. So arrogant. They think they are in complete control."

And she jumps into the Diebold dumpster, grabbing Bob Urosevich's personal garbage. "Take that!" she says, pumping her arm defiantly. Kathleen is a gorgeous 52-year old from Texas who spent 20 years in New York, currently living in Cleveland. She reminds me of Holly Hunter in feisty style.

By the way, Bob Urosevich got fired after his dumpster was emptied, and he apparently admitted that he didn't know what was in it, and that they hadn't shredded crucial financial documents.

Kathleen. She absolutely rocks. Wait until you see her, you'll love her.

Bev
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:52 PM
Response to Reply #130
160. Bev, we still can't stop laughing about that.......
.......this has been one hell of a movie so far! I can't wait for the intermission! :)

Andy! Clean up your room! :evilgrin:
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 02:12 AM
Response to Reply #86
208. Yes, Hail Eris!
Wow. The NERDS. Blessed Be!
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JaneEyrez Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:48 AM
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288. Revenge of the Nerds! n/t
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Olbie Fan Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:40 PM
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87.  All I can say with jaw dropped open is ...
Get this info to Keith Olbermann and "Countdown" ASAP!! Keith's on vacation this week, but you can email him at KOlbermann@msnbc.com ...

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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:49 PM
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90. Kind of a busy day
Like Mt. Everest is kind of tall. ;)

Bev, :yourock:
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:53 PM
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91. .
so does everyone think we should be spreading this news around?
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Rjnerd Donating Member (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #91
97. Well I told my SO
And her comment was a dubious, "they couldn't be that stupid". I assured her they could, that they didn't learn from watergate to hide "consulting fees" (the paper trails to the call center jam in 2002 NH, this years $500K to Sproul for their multi-state shred out the vote effort, etc).

Acutally it could simply be arrogance, but stupidity is a much easier explanation... (of course it could be equal quantities of both, they seem to occur together quite often)

I do wonder, with this states sunshine laws, it does seem that access to a shredder should be something very tightly controlled in government offices. They should not be something easy to get access to at the election warehouse.... At least make them haul the bags over to party headquarters, where the shredded remains are clear evidence of a criminal act...
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hbouma Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:05 AM
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185. They can be that stupid and then some!
Whats more astounding is that Bev. & Co. called on FRIDAY to let them know they were coming by to check things out. So its not like she dropped by today "Oh, by the way, I'd like to see your records" while they just happened to be shredding them in the back. They've had four days to "clean up their act" and get respectable like for her arrival and they couldn't even manage that!

Hal
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:53 AM
Response to Reply #185
238. well, thanks to Kerry and Clinton for this.l
it's the only advantage of their "move along little yellow doggies" attitude, that no one is taking the election protest seriously enough so that these folks are getting lazy about covering up the evidence.

However it is shameful they are letting peasants do their work for them.
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #185
284. I was just wondering...is it possible

that the man who took out the trash after Bev and crew left, was hoping that she was watching or would come back to get it...
Perhaps, by putting the evidence out there in such a place where it could be found (instead of totally destroying it), he was performing the only act of courage of which he was capable.

Someone more devious would have burned it all instead of laying it out like a buffet for BBV (when it is apparently not trash pick-up day.)

I'm still hopeful that the pollworkers who participated in these "shenanigii" across the country are starting to feel the pinpricks of their conscience by now. I'm an optimist, I guess, but most people (not all, I know) are basically good at heart (even those hoodwinked into participating in such a conspiracy.


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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:32 PM
Response to Reply #284
350. Okay, let's set some of this straight
The warehouse is located in the backside of the backwoods in Florida, in an unmarked brown building invisible from the road or even off the road. You have to be lucky to find someone who knows where it is. We found a fire department employee who had a family member who had once been to a building near it.

When you get there, you drive through the mud and ask the construction guys, "where the heck is it" and then you go on a police training obstacle course past a chain link fence to an unmarked brown thing.

There is no way in hell they thought we'd find it, much less show up to catch them "recycling" the vote. Maybe this is the Florida version of the Green Party?

Anyway, what we saw was pure "shock and awe" when we showed up. The bag was already out there before we got there. He must have been psychic to know we were coming.

Far from being "laid out like a buffet" it involved a determined tug of war. And as for the trash pick-up day, I doubt there is one way out there.

What it was, was luck. Or divine intervention, however you want to look at it.

Smiles,

Bev and Kathleen
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Poll Ally Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #350
355. I've just got to ask
Do you think they're actually dumb enough to just toss incriminating information in the trash?

Has anyone provided you, or have you asked for an explanation? IMO, put the question in writing, send it certified return receipt requested and post the letter and the response on your website and let them know you are doing it.

It works the reverse up here Bev, sometimes trying to get any information on local or state projects (boston.com to read about the big dig, even the Globe can't get the straight story) from the ruling democratic party is like pulling teeth but keep at it. Up here they're not dumb enough to leave stuff in the trash, they either whack the guy involved or whack the documents :)

I've always found the certified letter and follow up posting on a website effective.

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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #350
356. Thank you for the clarification, Bev and Kathleen

I appreciate the work you all are doing, as does all of DU. Please be careful out there.

I look forward to seeing some video (even in the rawest form).

Cher in Colorado

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Oak2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #97
378. There is this delightful delusion that people who are up to no good often
have. They truly believe that they won't get caught. Therefore they don't tidy up absolutely everything after their misdeeds, and sometimes they even brag.

I saw this myself, in my youthful College Republican stupidity days. I was involved in some slimy things that would best not have been traced back to us. I tried to insist to my co-conspirators that we needed to be meticulous about where we copied the offending leaflets so that there wouldn't be a paper trail; that we needed to distribute them anonymously, at night; that we shouldn't keep any afterwards or throw extras out in trash that could be traced to us, etc. I won some of my points, but for the most part everyone thought I was being paranoid. It simply seemed impossible to any of them that anyone would find us out.

So one idiot, who was copying some of the leaflets at a library copy machine, was so proud of how clever we all were that he proudly announced to anyone who got anywhere near the machine exactly what he was up to. He even showed all and sundry the leaflet. Of course this ended up in the college newspaper.

His excuse for this afterward was that he was trying to start rumors to make our opponents paranoid.

We disavowed having anything to do with him and he was the only one who took the blame. But had there been a serious investigation (i.e., had it been crime rather than slime) we'd all have been nailed.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:57 PM
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93. THANK YOU......
for having the courage and tenacity and caring to see this through. There is no way to thank you enough.

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be inspired Donating Member (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:58 PM
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94. Thank you, Bev!
Wow! Thank you, Bev, for all you do. This is very disturbing, but I'm glad that at least some of this stuff is coming to light.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:59 PM
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95. Oh. My. God.
Bev, I can't thank you enough for the work you, Andy, and Kathleen are doing. Please, please, please, stay safe.
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phylny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:03 PM
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96. Thanks, God bless, KICK! n/t
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:08 PM
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99. So where do you think this is heading, Bev? Are the results FUBAR and...
...we'll never know the score? Or will we get the actual count so long as people don't commit any (more?) crimes?
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:08 PM
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101. This thread was just mentioned on Majority Report AAR
:hi:
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Tace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:08 PM
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102. Move Along... Nothing To See Here
HeHe!
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:14 PM
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104. Bev, as Andy here: Bravo to Ellen and Susan
Ellen B. of Broward County, and Susan from Volusia -- they surprised us with the results of their clever decision to dumpster dive. And I expect we'll hear more from these folks!

Susan then found a lawyer, a real estate lawyer, the only one we could get on very short notice, but she was great, gently out manuevering the pompous county lawyer, surely a James Baker accolyte.

It's okay to say the "F" wordFraud.

Bev
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Sandra_Deaniac Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:18 PM
Response to Reply #104
106. Need any dumpster divers in Brevard? :)
Edited on Tue Nov-16-04 08:18 PM by Sandra_Deaniac
I'll do it..........I'm reasonably agile and motivated.
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:58 PM
Response to Reply #106
162. Hi! I used to live in Melbourne and Palm Bay.......
....... :hi:

You might want to visit one of these addresses near you. :evilgrin:

* Titusville: Government Complex-North, 400 South Street, 1st Floor
* Merritt Island: Central Brevard Service Complex, 2575 N. Courtenay Parkway
* Viera: Government Center, 2725 Judge Fran Jamieson Way, Bldg. C
* Melbourne: South Brevard Service Complex, 1515 Sarno Road
* Palm Bay: Interchange Square, 1155 Malabar Road NE, Suite 8
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:59 PM
Response to Reply #106
164. Ah! Brevard. Yes, that would be interesting -- we already
have put in a public records request for complete hand count in Brevard. They could talk us out of this if they would just give us the records.

Bev
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Sandra_Deaniac2 Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:17 AM
Response to Reply #164
252. Tips on Brevard
Bev,

I'm posting from work---couldn't remember my password, so my login is a little different---I also couldn't send you a pm or email, because it says I didn't have enough posts to do that :(

I canvassed the city of Cocoa during the campaign.

I heard some unpleasant anecdotes specifically regarding the early voting at the Merritt Island Govt complex. The Merritt Island Govt complex was the closest location to the base Dem precincts in Cocoa, so many of our African-American friends were going there to cast their ballots early.

I suggest that as a good place to check out in Brevard, if you can!
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Sandra_Deaniac2 Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:21 AM
Response to Reply #252
253. My email addy if you want more info on Brevard
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DawnneOBTS Donating Member (374 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 02:56 PM
Response to Reply #252
399. What I heard
Hi...I was at the John Edwards rally in Cocoa, and I heard from people while we were waiting to get in to the park that they had turned African-American voters away at Merritt Island saying that they had run out of ballots. I'm serious-this is what I heard. I hope that someone who saw this complained (like this does a lot of good among the Florida good ole boys anyway). But this was the day of the rally, and it had just happened.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:30 PM
Response to Reply #104
117. the "F" word???
encouraging report! thanks.

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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:17 PM
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105. who ordered the "smoking gun?" - Your order is UP!
Oh, my, my dear Lord ---

words escape me. :wow: :wow: :wow:
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KarenS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:19 PM
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107. ThankYou !
to Bev, Andy & Kathleen.

We just need the truth!

:grouphug:
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Dolphyn Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:20 PM
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108. Thanks Bev, I just sent you a well-deserved donation! n/t
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donachiel Donating Member (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:22 PM
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109. May God bless all of you and keep you safe.
Since the election, our family has had a few more to pray for daily. Tomorrow morning, the girls prayers will include Bev, Andy and Kathleen.

Keep up the great work! You're a shining star for the rest of us.
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:23 PM
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110. Oh...my...god....
I do thank you greatly...

But I am just shocked. They are STUPID as well as criminal.

The arrogance.

I don't know the law...can they throw those away? But I know if I was committing election fraud those bags would be well guarded until they were shredded,

How many places are they already shredded in and if shredded is there a way to find the real vote?

Then I think about the signatures...doesn't anyone who signs off notice the numbers have changed...and want to do something?

Honestly I figured most precinct clerks wouldn't have any idea if counts were wrong...but it sounds like they would.

I will shut up...but I am still...shaking my head.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:24 PM
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111. it must be time...
...for DC DU-ers to go over to the Naval Observatory and start hollering for the Cheneys to "get out of John & Elizabeth's house!"
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JennC Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:24 PM
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112. How does lock down work?
Are they removed from the premises? Sealed? How do they ensure that nothing is tampered with?

It is amazing to watch this happen.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:25 PM
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113. Amazing (and horrifying)....Thank you, Bev, and everyone @BBV. n/t
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:27 PM
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114. Thanks Bev, Andy and Kathleen
You've just earned another donation from me. Keep up the good work!
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Mister K Donating Member (338 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:28 PM
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115. Let's take a look at Volusia results shall we....
http://www.volusia.org/elections/110204results.htm

Just the facts:

Registered Voters: 309,930
Absentee Votes: 43,750 (15%)
Unscanned: 19
Provisional: 621
Early Voting: 40,077 (12%)
Total Votes: 228,839 (73.8%) <- Pretty high turnout

How they voted:

Absentee: 24,780 (56.6%) Bush , 18,672 (42%) Kerry
Early Voting: 15,819 (39.4%) Bush, 24,064 (60%) Kerry
Total County: 111,859 (48.8%) Bush, 115,484 (50.47%) Kerry

Precinct 215 Results:
Registered Voters: 2364
Votes Cast: 880 (37%)
Results: 520 (59.1%) Bush, 351 (39.9%) Kerry



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rdmccur Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:26 AM
Response to Reply #115
281. your stats
These results are somewhat suspicious in and of themselves. Why such a swing toward Bush on election day?? Roughly about Bush 70,000, Kerry 73,000. Can anybody track how early voters and election day voters break out by registration? Are the absentee ballots predominantly military? This pattern was observed in NC by Ignatzmouse as well.
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Mister K Donating Member (338 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #281
305. I was wondering the same thing
Check the figures twice and made sure the columns were not switched. I found the voter turnout to be the most surprising of all.

Also, absenteeism being at 14% was pretty high too.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:29 PM
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116. Bev... do you want us to distribute news of your adventures
.. to a wider audience.

This is hilarious and a great read. Not to mention extremely incriminating. What were these people thinking? I am dying to see Lana Hires on videotape.

al
Scoop
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:55 PM
Response to Reply #116
134. We're distributing it ourselves.
We're just kicking back and relaxing for awhile before we jump into that.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:06 AM
Response to Reply #134
186. ... a well deserved kickback too.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:33 PM
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119. Hello, Michael Moore???
Your next documentary is calling you...
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:34 PM
Response to Reply #119
120. I just e-mailed this link to his news/website
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:57 PM
Response to Reply #119
136. That would be Votergate.tv
The first 30 minutes of their full length feature film is online for free at Votergate.tv.

These guys are the real deal. Russell Michaels, Simon Ardizzone, Robert Carrillo Cohen. Go download it for a taste.

Bev
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:58 AM
Response to Reply #136
291. I watched the 30 minute version and DONATED $$$
Thank you, Bev, Andy, Kathleen and all for your devotion and courage!
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Poll Ally Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:42 PM
Response to Reply #119
371. Let him finish
his documentary on the health care system...I believe the going title is "sicko". I really hope he completes the project. I think the man is two steps up from a pig, but if he can shake the trees to reform health care he'll really have accomplished something. Not even Hillary could effect change.
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Tommymac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:35 PM
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121. Bev, will you be my foster Grandma?
:loveya:
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #121
124. I am not surprised by it at all - worked Precinct 216 FL

After working in a polling location in Florida, I am not surprised by any of this business. These people will stop at nothing to win and you can take that to the bank, believe me. After that experience on Nov 2/3, I cried then I was depressed, my heart was broken, but then I joined Bev in the BBV crusade. Now, I only want justice to be served and she is spear heading it all with a little help from her friends on DU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:10 PM
Response to Reply #121
172. She's too young for ya kid!
She could be your older sister! :evilgrin:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:13 PM
Response to Reply #121
173. She's not that old!
Unless you are very very young and your mommy is writing for you.
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Hobbes199 Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:43 PM
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123. Scared and elated at the same time!
Thanks BevBV!
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mcg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:43 PM
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125. We love you Bev!
Good going, please keep it up!
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:46 PM
Response to Reply #125
126. Hurray to Bev - She is the Boss !!!!!!!!!

And she is dancing in the dark, sheath night.
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:46 PM
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127. Dumpster Divers for Truth!
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virgdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:48 PM
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128. Bev, you are an absolute angel...
This report is disturbing, but not surprising. Keep on these bastards. Their efforts to commit fraud are so apparently transparent that this almost has a keystone cops flavor to it.

The gang that couldn't count votes straight.

Thanks a million for all you have done and are still in the process of getting done.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:54 PM
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131. Thank you, Bev Harris. And welcome to my nightmare.
This kind of obstructionism is what I live with every day. Came back last night from an HOA board meeting where I was told by a board member that the Association elected them for the office and they can do anything they wanted, including criminal activities. I have it on tape for the good it will do me. They only gave me a few minutes to speak, so I let them have it. And then I came home and cried. I hate this state.

BTW, if you're going into Brevard County, you might want to see if you can get your hands on the book, "Brevard Good Ole Boys" by Glenda Carlin Busick. It's old, but never dated.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:54 PM
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132. can someone please explain "lockdown"
what does it mean that Andy got the GEMS server locked down
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:54 PM
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133. BEV You are a true NATIONAL hero!
Please get those worthless DNC people on this NOW!!!
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bain_sidhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:56 PM
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135. Has anybody sent this to Keith Olbermann yet
I don't want to inundate the man, but DAY-UM! He should see this!
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rockedthevoteinMA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 09:00 PM
Response to Reply #135
139. Thank you guys soo much!!
I am new here - but hearing what you guys have been doing is amazing! It has lifted the spirits of everyone in my family. You are an amazing bunch of people!
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:57 PM
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137. Are Bev and company getting any help at all
From the Democratic party? From any official people? It seems like they have an enormous job to do. I am really thankful for their dogged determination in the face of such outrageously bad bad people. If they can pull this off they will go down in history as the saviors of democracy!
:toast:
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Shopaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #137
140. Bump because these needs to be seen!
By everyone here at DU and beyond.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:12 PM
Response to Reply #137
143. I just used the form on the DNC website
to send them another email (with this link) and tell them if they didn't get off of their asses and cough up some of the zillions that's in the KE GELAC which was expressly intended to PROTECT OUR VOTES IN THIS KIND OF SITUATION then I would never give them a fucking nickel again.

I said it more nicely than that though. :D
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greenmutha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:03 PM
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141. Kickin it to the top!
:kick:
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:06 PM
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142. Dumpster diving the new 2004 thing!
Bev :yourock:
Andy :toast:

Kathleen The 2004 Gold Medal Winning Dumpster Diver :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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bj2110 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:13 PM
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144. Volusia Online Totals Updated 11/15 - 10:30 !!
Edited on Tue Nov-16-04 10:15 PM by bj2110
I'm assuming this is AM. Is someone trying to cover some tracks, or was this a regularly scheduled update? Precinct by precinct GEMS (I'm assuming) report PDF file available for download is time stamped 11/15 10:29.
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Ducks In A Row Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:27 PM
Response to Reply #144
146. link?
please
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Mister K Donating Member (338 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #146
149. http://www.volusia.org/elections/110204results.htm
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:07 AM
Response to Reply #149
187. WTF?
Statement of Votes Cast
General Election
SOVC For Jurisdiction Wide, All Counters, All Races
Date:11/15/04
Time:10:29:56
Page:1 of 96

http://www.volusia.org/elections/110204/GEMS%20SOVC%20R...
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bj2110 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 02:03 AM
Response to Reply #187
206. "Official" Results on State website lists 229,183 voter turnout, but...
this Volusia county .pdf file shows 229,580 "cards cast". What does that mean?
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 02:17 AM
Response to Reply #206
209. Someone didn't have enough time to take off their shoes......
.......to get an accurate count. :evilgrin:
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banana republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #187
400. I can't add
bush 520
kerry 351
blank votes 3
total 874

votes cast 880


where are my missing 6 votes??????


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Spangle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:06 PM
Response to Reply #144
169. Verified with what is reported at the state web site?
What is on the state web site is what is "certified" as sent to the state.
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nanop Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 02:18 PM
Response to Reply #144
314. Google Cache
I did a search for "http://www.volusia.org/elections/110204results.htm " on google and found the cache of the page from before the change.

There was a link on the chache page to:

"Results by precinct (pdf format)
Including provisional ballots NOTE: results do not include recounted ballots for the judicial and amendment items."

at http://volusia.org/elections/110204/GEMS110204.pdf

This older PDF file still existed. I downloaded it and mirrored it at:
http://fogwave.org/mirrored_files/FL_VELO-GEMS110204.pd...
(in case it's removed from the website)

The newer file link to from:

"Results by precinct (pdf format)
Official final results (11/15/04)"

is mirrored at http://fogwave.org/mirrored_files/FL_VELO-GEMS111504.pd...

I haven't looked for differences in the files, but the filesizes are different:

1022790 bytes for the 11/02/2004 file vs.
1022895 bytes for the 11/15/2004

http://fogwave.org/blog
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Pooka Fey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:25 PM
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145. Oh my gosh. Thank you so much Bev and BBV !!!
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YellowDoginthehouse Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:27 PM
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147. Thank you, Bev, Andy & Co!
:kick:
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Pooka Fey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:29 PM
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148. Bev, Andy and Kathleen, thank you all !!!
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savetheuniverse Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:36 PM
Response to Reply #148
152. Speechless....
:yourock: :yourock: :yourock:
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:34 PM
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150. BUSTED!
:lol:
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:35 PM
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151. Yikes! What's to stop these people from shredding all the opti-scan
ballots? JESUS -- the FBI needs to impound every piece of fucking paper connected to the 2004 election in the entire states of Florida and Ohio -- hell, in the entire country!
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:38 PM
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153. Caught redhanded!!! Great job!!!
I think we have some overly confident Republicans who should be jailed!!!
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Vote4Kerry Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:39 PM
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155. When is deadline to challenge Florida?
Anybody know if we missed deadline to officially challenge Florida over fraud?
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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:02 AM
Response to Reply #155
268. They certified on Monday. Don't know if there is any deadline to uncover f
don't think there is a deadline if fraud is uncovered.
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Pooka Fey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:40 PM
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156. Bev, Andy and Kathleen, thank you all !!! n/t
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dmac Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:58 PM
Response to Reply #156
182. Thanks to all of you . . .
you may have just saved my sanity!

THANK YOU, YHANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!!!!
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kedrys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:43 PM
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157. Go Bev Go!
Keep up the great work...and many thanks to you and your crew!
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yazsir Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:46 PM
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158. Secure other potential evidence?
Is there anything we can do to help "lockdown" other counties? The "hard evidence" is paper, right? The shredders will be smoking as this gets out.

Who can we contact? Is there any leverage we apply to help at this point? Bev & Co. are only a few people and there are certainly other places that might be equally "interesting." Demonstrating a pattern, of course, means more than one county.

Any suggestions?
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:27 AM
Response to Reply #158
259. Are there any FLA lawyers working on trying to do this via subpoena?!
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progmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:49 PM
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159. Bev, you're my hero.
I really appreciate you working so hard to protect our Democracy.

:yourock: :headbang: :yourock: :headbang: :yourock: :headbang: :yourock: :headbang:
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tbuddha Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:59 PM
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163. BEV YOU ARE A GODDESS
WE ALL LOVE YOU!!
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wovenpaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:00 PM
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165. To Bev- THANK YOU
I've been reading your posts since day 1 (lurking days) and am so impressed! You"re a true patriot!
Thank you for your passion! You"ve shown me that one person CAN make a difference
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Technowitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:01 PM
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166. Damn, this woman is my personal hero
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:01 PM
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167. I want to see this video NOW!
I don't know what we would do without Bev and the others! You guys keep up the good work....for...DEMOCRACY!
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:09 PM
Response to Reply #167
171. VOTERGATE.TV NEEDS YOUR DONATION MORE THAN WE DO
They are headed to New Hampshire next, then Ohio. But they are running on fumes, even through their film is probably the most important one in the world right now, and they are pros all the way.

If you don't believe me, download the 30 minute version.

This stuff needs to be seen to be believed, and this is the ONLY film crew that gets this story.

They were there. I hope Randi Rhodes gets Russell Michaels on. He is one of the main Real Votergate producers, and he was there for this whole thing, and more.

Bev
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:26 PM
Response to Reply #171
174. I'm sure Randi will hear about it.......
.......right gang? :evilgrin:

Remember the name is Russell Michaels from Votergate.tv
Tell 'em Bev sent ya. :)

http://www.therandirhodesshow.com/main.html

mailto:rrhodes@airamericaradio.com?subject=Bev_Harris_U... !
mailto:tawalker@airamericaradio.com?subject=Bev_Harris_... !

The Randi Rhodes Show
3 Park Ave, 40th Floor
New York, New York, 10016

or call the show LIVE at,
(866) 303 2270

:kick:
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Roxy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:54 AM
Response to Reply #174
245. I sent Randi an E-Mail about this as soon as it was posted
and posted it on her forumn
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:15 AM
Response to Reply #171
189. Cross posted your request...
.... at dKos for support for votergate.tv and sent on to a few others who may be able to help.

You are truly heroic. Thank you.

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ZeroTheHero Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:29 AM
Response to Reply #171
194. BEV - if you can read this, keep reading
Bev,

I have tried emailing BBV once before; in the hopes that you would recruit me for your diabolical purposes. That's rights!, saving Democracy. I have but one idea, which I am sure you folks have already thought of.

SUBPOENA THE PHONE RECORDS TO THE CENTRAL TABULATORS.

Anyone dialing in through a land line would leave a record at the phone company. Compare those numbers with the precinct phone numbers and look for the mismatches. This, of course, is assuming the tabulator phone #'s were dedicated.
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:19 AM
Response to Reply #194
232. That sounds like an excellent idea
Has that been done yet?
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mulderig Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:58 AM
Response to Reply #194
239. Subpoena the TCP & UDP logs...
I would get a FOIA to see the TCP (Transmission Control Protocol) & UDP (User Datagram Protocol)log files for the computer that the GEMS server resides on.

It would be possible, (as this server runs on a PC) that whilst the PC is connected to the Internet, someone could open a connection to a port on the computer without having to dial in to it.

My concern is that if you are just looking at phone records you might miss this evidence. Also make sure you get the archived logs. They should be in a folder. Many admins archive the logs on an automated basis.

Thanks again for all your hard work,

-Mary (feeling annoyed that I gave to Kerry's GELAC fund, instead of Bev's BBV)
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:37 PM
Response to Reply #239
351. Good info, can you e-mail me privately some more info about this
We got all kinds of logs, some very strange-looking to me. We're game for asking for any kind of log, then putting it out for anyone to see.

Bev
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KTM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:58 PM
Response to Reply #239
376. The what ??
I'm not sure what you are speaking of, but on your average computer there is no such thing - if there were, it would be massive.

IF there is a firewall that traffic is passing through, then some such logs may be avilable, but otherwise the only place you'll get that kind of info is the ISP, and even then you'd probably be hard pressed to find what I think you are describing.

What did you mean ?
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:59 AM
Response to Reply #171
201. Good coverage on The Brad Blog...
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 01:00 AM by understandinglife
....and specific call for support for your votergate.tv colleagues!!

Link: http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00000961.htm

Everyone is pulling for you and your team!

"It's about America" -- currently on life support and in need of immediate, heroic and sustained treatment; BBV among the first responders and doing amazing stuff!
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Rjnerd Donating Member (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 03:23 AM
Response to Reply #171
215. Bev: Do they need an extra grip in NH?
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 03:29 AM by Rjnerd
Live just a little south. Spent time on both sides of the camera, and machinery of all kinds fears me. Trained computer type, also have my own custom made dumpster diving suit... Don't have any money to spare, but do have some time to offer.

-dp-

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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:21 AM
Response to Reply #171
254. Careful about too much publicity prematurely
Bev:
I am very concerned that if there is too much publicity prematurely, other suspect counties will a get a chance to put their house in order before we get to them.
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Bushfire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #171
325. Just made my donation to Votergate
Randi just plugged them on AAR today as well. Plus Milwaukee's largest weekly alternative paper runs David Corn's story "Did Your Vote Count" which mentions www.blackboxvoting.org , and the FOIA requests filed in 3,000 counties. I emailed the editor today to encourage staying on top of the story.
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The Revolution Donating Member (497 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:02 PM
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168. Thank you for fighting!
Thanks for fighting for all of us in this thing. Fraud is looking more and more obvious each day now. I really hope you find something the media won't be able to ignore.
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4democracy Donating Member (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:09 PM
Response to Original message
170. Has this been moved from general discussion? I found this link
in another thread, but I can't find the original.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:29 PM
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175. Kick ass Bev!
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:42 PM
Response to Original message
177. Bev, Andy, and Kathleen....
...saviors of the universe!
THANK YOU SO MUCH
:hug: :loveya: :yourock:
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SheepyMcSheepster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:46 PM
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178. Thanks for the update Bev!
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CementDude Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:48 PM
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179. Bev Harris -VS- Volusia - Round 2?
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 12:03 AM by CementDude
I've been following the BBV site and was surprised this latest development hasn't been posted there (front page) yet. Regardless, I have a couple of questions upon which I hope some can shed some light:

1) I understand Bev Harris has been to Volusia after the 2000 fiasco because of a similar issue:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0310/S00211.htm

quote - ". faulty 'memory cards' in the machines caused the 16,000-vote disappearance on election night. The glitch was soon fixed,"

At the time it was Precinct 216. Now the problem seems to be "next door" in Precint 215 and may very well be blamed on a "faulty" memory card, as was the excuse in 2000. So my question is, since we're dealing with the same cast of characters over at Valusia, are we (mostly Bev) assuming that they (Volusia's BOE) didn't learn their 2000 lesson and are continuing to commit fraud? If so, why didn't Bev Harris' 2000 fraud audit produce enough evidence to convict someone?

2) To the issue of all these "polling tapes" being found in the trash, with apparently different versions or "sets" of the same data, I found this article:

http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/New ...

quote - "Post-election 2004 in Volusia County churned into its second day Thursday, with a 228,000-vote recount and concerns about possible voter fraud."

Seems Volusia already did a machine recount of *all* ballots (228,000+ ballots - all precincts) because of a disputed local election. Would this recount produce a new set of tapes? If so, how does this factor into Bev's recent account of what she found.

-- OK, another question --

3) Are Bev Harris's efforts better served at this "scene of the crime" which was a fruitless effort in 2000, or perhaps are her services more needed in Ohio where there is a more likely chance to overturn the electoral votes?

Thanks all!
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Justathought Donating Member (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:01 AM
Response to Reply #179
183. I believe Bev, Kathleen, and Andy
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 12:03 AM by Justathought
know exactly where the right place should be especially since they have found a smoking gun already. I would not suggest we question their decisions but commend them for their decisions. They are the greatest as they have proven today. :yourock:
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CementDude Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:04 AM
Response to Reply #183
184. Since we've been down this EXACT road before (In 2000)
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 12:05 AM by CementDude
...I just thought I'd ask a few questions.
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:26 AM
Response to Reply #179
192. You've misconstrued something from Bev's book.
She wasn't in Florida in 2000. She got involved in this later. The information in her book about what happened in Volusia then is good reporting, not forensic auditing.
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Critical Thinker Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:26 AM
Response to Reply #179
193. signed tapes found in the garbage
Regardless of the creation date, certainly signed tapes should never be discarded with the garbage.
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Spangle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:56 AM
Response to Reply #179
200. Such recounts don't include the whole ballot
JUST the race in question. So if they had to do a recount for one race, you will only get data on that one race.
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 01:03 AM
Response to Reply #179
203. In answer to your questions.......
.......though I can't speak for Bev, You state, "why didn't Bev Harris' 2000 fraud audit produce enough evidence to convict someone?

Answer: There were massive amounts of fraud in the 2000 election. The 'Butterfly Ballot' was illegal under Florida law when it was used. Can you tell me what happened to Teresa LaPore (a Democrat!) under the control of the Jeb Bush administration in Florida? Therein lies your answer.

Would this recount produce a new set of tapes? If so, how does this factor into Bev's recent account of what she found.

Answer: The original record of the vote count, unofficial though it may be, is a part of the "public record", and as such, any records developed by paid government employees while discharging their duties fall under records retention policy as proscribed by law. They attempted to destroy public records. Ask yourself why they would do that.

Are Bev Harris's efforts better served at this "scene of the crime" which was a fruitless effort in 2000, or perhaps are her services more needed in Ohio where there is a more likely chance to overturn the electoral votes?

Answer: This isn't about "overturning electoral votes". It's about the viability of our elections.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:39 PM
Response to Reply #203
352. Thanks, dead-on.
Love ya, Pat,

Bev
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:51 PM
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180. Kind of gives new meaning to, "It's in the bag," doesn't it?
Way to go guys!

:headbang: :headbang:


And this one's for Kathleen :toast:
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vet 65 69 Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:41 AM
Response to Reply #180
197. in volusia co. 11-2 they
posted 209,052 turnout votes a few days later they added 20.000 more to the turnout i have saved 11-2 on ms word if anyone want this, email me
after the election i sent this to a lot of people it was a kerry win in volusia co but the vote were adding up fast for bush, what if they though we wouldn't look in co. that went for dem there could be a lot of fraud in those co.
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:59 PM
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301. Other counties
This is great! Way to go team!

Now, look at this chart....Projections are derived from party registrations. These Florida counties voted on optical scan.

For instance, look at the first column -- in Clay County, Florida, Bush got 35% MORE votes than would be expected, based on party registration, and Kerry got about 10% LESS. In St. Lucie, on the other hand, registration and vote tally seem to match nicely, indicating less likelihood of tampering (if the chart is accurate).

According to this chart, Volusia was one of the optical scan counties in Florida that had a SMALLER variance between party registration and vote tally.



So, there is plenty of potential for fraud investigation in Florida, if this chart has validity. Just eyeballing it, the counties that jump out are:

Clay .. Okaloosa .. Alachua .. Escambia .. Polk .. Duval

(And, according to another study of exit polling, 90% of people say they voted in accordance with the party they identify with.) More on the chart at
http://ideamouth.com/floridacounties.htm


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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:16 AM
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190. WOWOWOWOW!!!!!!! I knew the story would be good, Bev, but this ...
Fantastic! Andy had me on standby while he was racing to Volusia to find out if you'd been taken into custody this morning. I knew the story would be interesting, but this ...

THIS IS ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY POETIC!


I am SO ready for an election contest in Volusia especially and anywhere else in that Jeb-riddled state. I hope you're keeping everything you get secure and sending copies off for safekeeping somewhere, because we all know that they'll destroy whatever originals they can and try REALLY hard to get the copies you've manage to wrest from their clutches.

Things are moving VERY fast on this end too.

Congratulations on your great work. :toast:

Hugs to Kathleen, Andy, Rob and Russell. I'm glad they're with you. Stay safe.

hedda
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prairierose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:22 AM
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191. Way to Go Bev and Andy & Kathleen !!


:hi: :bounce: :yourock:
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:30 AM
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195. Great! Kick some ass
Be careful, Florida seems to be a lawless land.
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Critical Thinker Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:32 AM
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196. Thank you Bev, Andy, Kathleen, Ellen, and Susan !
:yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock:
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KTM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:49 AM
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199. PLEASE - DONT BACK DOWN !!!
Truly, nobody else out there has the spine.. so glad you folks are doing this !!!!

:kick:
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insanity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:45 AM
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198. don't stop the fight
we are behind you 100%
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floridadem30 Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 01:01 AM
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202. Here's local media link about 13,000 votes recounted
It is not that recent but just in case you didn't have it http://www.local6.com/news/3879408/detail.html
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smiley Donating Member (602 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 01:21 AM
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204. Question this....
Doesn't this sound just a bit hokey.....especially all the one phrase praise. This sounds like a bad mystery novel...and believe me guys, I'm on your side. I would like nothing more to see this fraud revealed but this sounds like a story to keep a lot of people preoccupied from the truth.

Trust no one!!
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 01:35 AM
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205. Read before you post
Bev is legit and well known. She's been on many television and radio programs. Read her site www.blackboxvoting.org before you make assumptions.
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 02:27 AM
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211. LOL! Have you heard of Google?
Try it! :evilgrin:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=Bev+Harris

Results 1 - 10 of about 388,000 for Bev Harris. (0.10 seconds)

Black Box Voting - Bev Harris - one of the leading groups doing ...
Black Box Voting - Bev Harris - THE nonpartisan, nonprofit, 501c(3)consumer protection group for elections. ...
www.blackboxvoting.org / - 55k - Nov 15, 2004 - Cached - Similar pages

Black Box Voting: Ballot - Tampering in the 21st Century
... Site News. Important! We are NOT affiliated with Bev Harris!!! ... Bev Harris is no longer affilated with this site, David Allen, or Plan Nine Publishing. ...
www.blackboxvoting.com / - 66k - Nov 15, 2004 - Cached - Similar pages

Black Box Voting: Ballot - Tampering in the 21st Century
... Search. Topics All Topics. ...
www.blackboxvoting.com/modules. php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=8 - 20k - Cached - Similar pages
< More results from www.blackboxvoting.com >

Good News From Bev Harris
... Good News From Bev Harris This is amazing and very hopeful! Bev Harris http://www.blackboxvoting.org and Ralph Nader had a press conference in DC today. ...
www.opednews.com/harris_111104_good_news.htm - 22k - Nov 15, 2004 - Cached - Similar pages

Scoop: Inside A US Election Vote Counting Program
... By Bev Harris* * Bev Harris is the Author of the soon to be published book " Black Box Voting: Ballot Tampering In The 21st Century " http://www.blackboxvoting ...
www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0307/S00065.htm - 46k - Nov 15, 2004 - Cached - Similar pages

Scoop: Bev Harris: Diebold End-Runs Around Certification
Bev Harris: Diebold End-Runs Around Certification Wednesday, 17 September 2003, 10:22 am Article: Bev Harris. Internal Memos: Diebold ...
www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0309/S00150.htm - 51k - Nov 15, 2004 - Cached - Similar pages
< More results from www.scoop.co.nz >

Bev Harris on the Perils to Democracy by Electronic Voting - A ...
... Bev Harris on the Perils to Democracy by Electronic Voting. A BUZZFLASH INTERVIEW. What remains the greatest threat to democracy in the 2004 election? ...
www.buzzflash.com/interviews/03/12/int03323.html - 38k - Cached - Similar pages

Will the 2004 Election be Stolen With Electronic Voting Machines? ...
... An Interview with Bev Harris, Who Has Done the Groundbreaking Work on This Issue. A BUZZFLASH INTERVIEW. ... BEV HARRIS: Four reasons: ...
www.buzzflash.com/interviews/03/09/29_harris.html - 46k - Cached - Similar pages
< More results from www.buzzflash.com >

Seattle Weekly: News: Black Box Backlash by George Howland Jr.
... NEWS. March 10 - 16, 2004. Black Box Backlash Bev Harris of Renton created a firestorm with her national Internet campaign against electronic voting. ...
www.seattleweekly.com/features/ 0410/040310_news_blackbox.php - 42k - Nov 16, 2004 - Cached - Similar pages

vote fraud USA
... BEV HARRIS AND HOWARD DEAN HACK THE VOTE IN 90 SECONDS TO ILLUSTRATE HOW CHENEY ROVE BUSH DID IT. Dean: All right, Bev, show me how to do this. ...
groups.msn.com/votefraudusa/3.msnw - 24k - Nov 15, 2004 - Cached - Similar pages
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 04:09 AM
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220. Maybe you should try the Lounge first.
Welcome to DU!

Why do you feel you have to tell us you're on our side?

Have we accused you of anything?

Should we?
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Ducks In A Row Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:46 AM
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286. It's because idiot rethugs didn't think anyone would look for fraud
and they were stupid enough to throw crap away.

everyone know that law enforcement can always relie on the criminals being stupid. that rule applies doubly for rethugs stealing this election.
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loritooker Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 02:22 AM
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210. My kids WILL live in a democracy
Thank you Bev, Andy, and Kathleen. I will donate to the Votergate filmakers. I have been so worried about the country I am handing to down to my children. I have been talking with them about this election, protesting, donating...You are saving democracy for them. I am humbled -and lifted- by your work. My deepest gratitude and YOU ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!
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Kenergy Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 02:35 AM
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213. Good job! n/t
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 03:14 AM
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214. WoW!!!!!!! Way to go.
Watch your back. K?
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 03:51 AM
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217. A HUGE Thank You to Bev and crew!
You guys are absolute heroes of democracy! Stay safe and ROCK ON!! :bounce:
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 03:46 AM
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216. I got so excited, I had to take a walk, go down to the shop
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 03:52 AM by EST
and change the air compressor oil-man, oh man, oh man......
I can only add my heartfelt thanks and admiration-as well as any spare bucks, anywhere I can find 'em!
The enormous power of spirit you folks display is, indeed, both gratifying and humbling...
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regularjoe Donating Member (358 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 03:52 AM
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218. Kick
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Lil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 04:42 AM
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221. PLEASE Stay safe!!
Sending strength and light.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:05 AM
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223. Extraordinary news kick.
:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:
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NamVetsWeeLass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:25 AM
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224. Oh.my.gods.
Bev, You just rock. I mean there is no other thing I can say about it. Keep snooping, keep counting and keep insisting that they tell us WHERE OUR VOTES ARE!!!!! Thank you Bev, Honestly.
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GoBlue Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:38 AM
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225. I'm incredulous... are they really this stupid?
"There was a trash bag on the porch outside the door. I looked into it and what do you know, but there were poll tapes in there."
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:04 AM
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226. THANK YOU DEAR BEV, ANDY & KATHLEEN!
Just a note in appreciation of all that you are and all that you do! You are amongst the True Patriots!

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kristndem Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:19 AM
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227. OMFG
The worm is turning.......
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:24 AM
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228. Holy mother of Christ
You guys are incredible. They threw the tapes in the garbage! Reminds me of that election in Mexico where they found the ballots in the river.

Have you sent this to the media?

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The Minus World Donating Member (634 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:40 AM
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229. Excellent Work! It's happening so quickly...
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 06:41 AM by MagicalSpork
This is the power of individual determination - and it's aimed at the pressure-point of an unfathomably large operation set in place to undermine the common good. A classic case of simple conscience and moral rectitude winning against overwhelming evil: a liar must remember every lie he tells, in order to maintain the image of telling the truth.

My only concern is that you are staring into the jaws of a beast who is becoming quickly tired of exercising restraint and courtesy; it could just clamp down and "get the job done."

However, one thing that the Bush administration has proven they have difficulty with understanding: "If you destroy one of us, fifty more will rise to take his place."
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suziestar Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:11 AM
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230. "Morals & Values" Hard at Work in Volusa
I've been watching the Schrubs since the late 60s. So, I'm not surprised whatsoever. (Heck, I EXPECTED 9/11 and Iraq was a no-brainer.) I don't I expect them to give-up the throne, despite whatever is found.

The worse is yet to come... and it will have to - before enough people realize what needs to be done. 4 more years? They are already prepping his successor for '08. If we don't uprise asap this will go on for a lot longer than that, and as each year passes it will be harder and harder to do something about it.

We must all ACT. Please don't just sit back and read, post, simply cheer the fighters ...or p and moan.

Prepare for a very long fight.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:17 AM
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231. Lying, Cheating and Stealing
Blatant disregard for the rights of others...

All brought to you by the party that wants the Ten Commandments posted on the Courthouse. Why? So we can see all the sins they commit? Oh, that's right.

THOU SHALT NOT STEAL......unless its an election you have NO WAY of winning honestly.

THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS.....unless you have a REALLY good paper shredder.

May they all burn in hell as the traitors they are to America and everything she stands for.


REPUBLICANS ARE SCUM. Thank you, Bev, for having the integrity and courage to face these lying, thieving cowards.
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BlueOhio Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:31 AM
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234. 1st Post!
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Mister K Donating Member (338 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:33 AM
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235. Nice link
and welcome to DU!
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:45 AM
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237. Thanks, the media should be put on alert!
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:06 AM
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248. You did great
Thanks for the link. Not surprising that Volusia County downplays this. So, they thought the signed tapes were protected records, hmmm? That's why they threw them in the trash, is it? :eyes: Riiiiight.

Welcome to DU, KennyC! :hi:
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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:14 AM
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240. your great, bev! I am in Lee County if you need help!
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:32 AM
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241. Thank you thank you thank you!!!!!
I'm speechless. Our system is in such a terrible mess and no one is paying attention.

Not yet, anyway.

A scandal of epic proportions.

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liam97 Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:42 AM
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242. See what an information security profession says!
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:06 AM
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247. YOU GO GIRL!!
Bev you're WONDERFUL!! Tell everyone there you're working with how much we appreciate them!!

If anyone here knows people living outside the USA, please contact them and ask them to contact their media, specifically journalistic news programs and let them know what's going on!! Get world pressure on our media!
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 04:14 PM
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329. That link you posted crashed my computer.....
:shrug: Don't know what happened there...just got it back up.

:kick:
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:08 AM
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249. Dirty little secret!
Go Bev!
The sad thing is, that this is only the tip of the iceberg. This kind of stuff has been going on for decades and is Florida's dirty little secret. It' not the voting it's the counting!
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CupaJoe Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:10 AM
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250. Don't just thank them. Send them $$$$!
Votergate TV is the little group of people who are working with Black Box Voting to document these election irregularities (filming the evidence, accompanying the BBV team, etc.) They desperately need money in addition to your thanks. Go to their site and DONATE! <http://www.votergate.tv />
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:30 AM
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261. Yes, thank them with $$$
I just sent votergate.tv $20.04 for 2004!
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tbuddha Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:10 AM
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251. Praise Bev!
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bostonbabs Donating Member (465 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:57 AM
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266. thanks Bev,...I'm sending more money
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sherilocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:22 AM
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255. I just spoke to the local newspaper: Daytona Beach News-Journal
A reporter is there right now covering the story.
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liam97 Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:24 AM
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256. Wonderful!
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:26 AM
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257. That's great but...
I am somewhat concerned that too much media coverage prematurely may cause other suspect counties to get their house in order before we can get to them. Maybe we need to be careful?
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:32 AM
Response to Reply #257
263. eek
Good point. Eegads. We need to get this all exposed and ASAP before tracks are covered.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:08 AM
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270. Must be dutch?
Helderheid, are you by any chance dutch?
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:43 PM
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372. Geen Nederlander MAAR...
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 10:44 PM by helderheid
Nee, maar mijn maan is wel een Nederlander. ;) Ik was in Nederland met hem vanaf april 1999 tot juni 2001. :)
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 09:20 AM
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389. o je
mijn MAN, niet maan. Heheheh!
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:51 AM
Response to Reply #257
275. Why do you think Bev posted that stuff here?
She obviously knows we write the media often.
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PleadTheFirst Donating Member (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:26 AM
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258. Absolutely incredible, Bev!
FANTASTIC work! You give me hope for Democracy in America.
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:28 AM
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260. Great tenacity, Bev and Team -- we're all behind you! n/t
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:32 AM
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262. Kick nt
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mimitabby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:55 AM
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265. hey be sure to remember to donate to blackboxvoting.org!
n/t
put your money where ...
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Imalittleteapot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:49 AM
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264. Way to go BBV. kick n/t
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doubleplusgood Donating Member (810 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:58 AM
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267. Thank you, Bev !
and thanks to all the people working with you on this !
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:04 AM
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269. Shock & Awe Bev Harris Style !!
Keep up the great work Bev and troop, we all love you for it and are forever in your debt for the most courageous patriotic acts in recent history!
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:12 AM
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271. Well done! Keep on rockin!
eom
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F.Gordon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:30 AM
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273. Precinct 215? Is this a typo error?
I really hope it is...

In fact, in one location, precinct 215, an African-American precinct, the votes were off by hundreds, in favor of George W. Bush and other Republicans.

In terms of registered voters 215 is definitely a White - Republican precinct.

Precinct 215 had incredibly low voter turnout. It's also what the DNC would call a "LD" precinct. You say that the numbers "were off by hundreds"? I'd really like to know the actual numbers. Oh, and I'm assuming you are aware that 215 was broken down at the polling place as 215a and 215b? If you are looking at numbers for 215b and comparing them to the actual vote tally I can see where this might be nothing more than an honest mistake on your part.

Just asking the question and I'm hoping that you just typed in the wrong precinct number because if you didn't then it would certainly make your entire post "suspect".
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CementDude Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:48 AM
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287. In 2000, the problem was with Precinct 216
So that's a good question. I assumed 215 was another black majority precinct, because that's what Bev Harris said and also because it was next to 216.

I hope we can get an answer. There is so much back-patting noise in this thread, it's hard to follow this development.
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F.Gordon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:17 PM
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294. I wouldn't call 216 a Black Precinct. 217? Yes.
If there is hard evidence that either of these precincts had "hundreds of votes" going for Bush, then yes, there is a real problem here. But this wouldn't reconcile with the county totals.

And again, very low turnout in these precincts.

If 215 is being used as proof of "fraud" then somebody didn't do their homework.
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F.Gordon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:47 PM
Response to Reply #287
297. It's called "fact checking"
I did it in less than 5 minutes.

It certainly isn't the sexy drama that "Dueling lawyers, election officials gnashing teeth, Votergate.tv film crew catching it all"
is, but if this is how we go about finding "the truth", then I fear we are doomed to never know.......
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Poll Ally Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #287
331. You've said it
You're right, the problem is too many people looking at Bev's opinion and then jumping to conclusions. #1 she never stated how many votes were messed up, you'd think if the count was exact she could tell us exactly how many votes by precinct went for Bush, how many went for Kerry, and how many were on the original tapes. The number is somewhere as she was able to determine it was off by "hundreds."

I'm confused in reading what she says about the tapes, did she get some originals or no? If yes, how do we know she didn't toss them in the trash herself?

I'm eagerly awaiting her Tuesday update...seeing as it's now Wednesday night.

BTW, if her reasoning on saying 215 is a "black" precinct is because it's next to 216, she needs to seriously rethink her logic. Talk about a sterotype.

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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 04:50 PM
Response to Reply #331
333. I dont get it either
but i'm thick because i live here i guess. Frank Bruno would never let this crap fly in Volusia, I know that for a fact. I asked him personally about BBV, when he stopped laughing he told me Deanie is bulletproof (and I spend too much time on the internet)

BTW the 215 had Bush 520-351, according to the pdf above
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #273
328. The glad-handling certainly is obsfucating critical thinking
I would agree. Can you tell me where the 215 is, by location?
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:06 PM
Response to Reply #273
359. Thanks. Did this post without the tapes in front of me.
Also, depended on local politicos for the demographics. Looking at the tapes, they said one is African-American and one Hispanic, and pointed to others that they said were minority. However, that's pretty damn weak, isn't it?

The demographics of the districts are in question. I'm pretty sure it was precinct 215 with some unusual results. If it had two machines, that would provide a possible explanation for some of precinct 215. However, it does not explain the 25 or so other precincts with discrepancies or missing records. It certainly does not explain the several poll tapes in the garbage all of which were missing from what they produced for our public records request. It does not explain the people huddled over a table with pens and polling place tapes at the warehouse. It does not explain the signed polling place tape in the "to be shredded" black garbage bag.

You are absolutely right. We should not have included demographics and the precinct number for one of the crazy results, yet. We kicked back and posted this after a 15-hour day in the field. Good learning experience, we'll hold our breaking news for another few days in the future, to get the demographics down, or we'll just skip those details until we can independently verify them.

Touche.

And thanks,

Bev
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SomthingsGotaGive Donating Member (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #359
362. Bev ..I've been hitting refresh following you answer these people
I think you could argue with them all day and they would still think they were adding to the cause by vetting the facts to avoid looking foolish before the "Real" facts emerge or Don't.

I however am having a hard time finding anyone else reporting on 'Their' efforts to verify the vote.

Even IF you are making all of this up to squeeze a little more money out of a dead bbv franchise you have at least provided the appearance of value for money to your donors.

This IMHO is absurd but still plausible in the "unaccountable blogisphere".

The Dem's have 50 million dollars and all the donors get are cryptic emails from relatives, concessions and surrender on all fronts.

You are a hero.

If all you ever do is provide hope that there may be free and fair election again one day, you will have a place in the heart of those that went along for the journey.

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F.Gordon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:17 PM
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368. Thank you for taking the time to reply
I have no idea what is going on down there so I can only go on the information you provide here. You only mentioned 215 so I took a peek at the county info. It didn't jive.

If you believe that you have solid evidence that there are serious discrepancies in this county with regards to the vote tally, then that evidence needs to be examined from both perspectives. For example...

It does not explain the signed polling place tape in the "to be shredded" black garbage bag.

My questions would be....were these the posting tapes or the tapes provided to the county? Is the county required to retain the polling place posting tapes? In some states the polling place tapes are destroyed. I don't have the answer to these questions, but these are the types of things you should be asking.

You need to determine what is and is not benign before you reach a terminal diagnosis. If a crusty old bastard like me can poke a hole in your case in less than 5 minutes of research, how will it stand up to someone a whole lot smarter than myself?
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theredpill Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:36 AM
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274. How can I help in Florida?
I live in Florida and would like to help get the original tapes in different counties if it is possible for me to do so. I would need instructions on where to look and how to legally obtain them.

Anything I can do to help?

P.S. If this helps, I am a computer programmer and know how easy it is to alter the votes using the GEMS tabulator program. Didn't take very long, very easy to manipulate!
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MsUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:54 AM
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276. Hey Bev, has Keith O asked you to be on his show yet???
I think he should get you on for a running account of what you're doing and describe this little fracas. Be safe, and thank you so much for all you're doing.
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:58 AM
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277. Bigger than Watergate
Way to go, Bev! Here's a copy of a letter that I just sent to dozens of major media figures after seeing your post at Democrats.com earlier today:



Faked voting records, trashed originals, & a cover-up: We know have smoking guns as evidence of fraud in the 2004 presidential election.

Bev Harris of Blackboxvoting.org and her film crew have captured evidence of electoral fraud in Florida. In Volusia County, Bev showed up with Freedom of Information Requests for polling place tapes. She was given new, unsigned printouts instead of originals. The next day, she and her film crew returned and found a trash bag on the porch filled with--guess what? Poll tapes--the real ones. Alarmed election officials called the cops, but couldn't prevent Bev from cross-checked the new printouts against original signed polling tapes. Bev found multiple discrepancies--including an African-American precinct with hundreds of added votes for Bush. An employee hustled the boxful of tapes off to a back room. (Download video at www.blackboxvoting.org )

Then a voting integrity official from Broward County showed up and found mre polling tapes and memos in the election office's trash--destined for the shredder. Lawyers appeared to threaten Bev, but the Blackboxvoting crew didn't back down. Black Box Voting investigator Andy Stephenson then managed to get the Diebold "GEMS" central server and memory cards locked down! Further auditing and a hand count is planned for today in Volusia County, where serious talk of contesting the election has begun. Full story at: http://blog.democrats.com/node/690 .

Here's more dynamite: Owners and executives of Diebold and ES&S, companies that produce electronic and optical scan voting machines used nationwide, have been convicted of bribery and suborning public officials in over 12 states! Isn't ironic that convicted felons can be kicked off voter rolls, but are allowed to control the voting across America? See details at Bob Fertik's blog at the link above.

Does anything still believe that all of those Florida Democratic counties with flip-flopped exit polls and vote tallies REALLY voted overwhelmingly for Bush? How can anyone have confidence in the honesty of this system?

TV networks should run excerpts of the Blackboxvoting.org videotapes on newscasts and full-length special reports. Newspapers should run this as front page headline stories. We deserve a full and complete investigation by our national media into election results in EVERY state. The national press leaped to cover Watergate, which involved a break-in at a single Democratic headquarters. By comparison, this is vast in scale--potentially involving collusion between voting machine companies, election officials, the RNC, and for all we know, possibly even the White House. When will the national media reporters have the guts to start asking RNC officials, the Bush administration, and the GOP leaders in Congress what they know about Diebold & ES&S corruption and electoral fraud. This is a more important story than anything else, including Iraq, since it concerns the future of democracy in OUR country.





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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #277
298. Liberty Belle - fact correction IMPORTANT
Nice letter.

Please note, you have mis-transcribed the data you got.

You said "Diebold and ES&S" -

the article by Daniel Hopsicker said Sequoia and ES&S. I should note that Hopsicker in at least one instance in my research on Enron got some facts wrong -- he was early, but wrong. I love the point about felons. But, I would VERIFY what Hopsicker is saying about 12 convictions before accepting it as gospel. Certainly, I am aware of several. (I am looking forward to MORE!!!!)

Pt. I: Convicted Felons, Shadowy Financiers' Own Companies Counting Votes

November 15 2004-Venice,FL.
by Daniel Hopsicker
Mad Cow
http://www.madcowprod.com/mc6912004.html

An investigation into the surprisingly-sordid history of Americas election services industry has revealed that executives and owners of the two largest companies, E S & S and Sequoia Pacific, have been convicted of bribery and suborning public officials in more than a dozen states.

And while a felony conviction may be enough to prevent you from voting in Florida, convicted felons can take heart in the fact that the blemish on their record in no way disqualifies them from owning companies counting the votes. MORE


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mackdaddy Donating Member (177 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #298
310. Maybe Dieb*ld too is accurate
See link to an article on Wired News website "Con Job at Diebold Subsidiary" from an AP story December 17 of Last Year.

"Voter advocate Bev Harris alleged Tuesday that managers of a subsidiary of Diebold, one of the country's largest voting equipment vendors, included a cocaine trafficker, a man who conducted fraudulent stock transactions and a programmer jailed for falsifying computer records."


http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,61640,00.html

Bev has be at this a while. Gen Em!!
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:22 PM
Response to Reply #298
337. Felonious execs
Thanks. I e-mailed a correction regarding the original article, followed by the later revelation that Diebold in fact does have felons, too.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:20 AM
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279. This is THE BEST! But what are the next steps?
We know the shredders are humming all over Florida and Ohio and whereever else the fraudsters are doing a little preventive maintenance. If Volusia is proven to be a case of blatant, deliberate fraud and its count is contested successfully, what then? What can be done FOR THIS ELECTION? The country -- and the world -- may not survive another four years of the Bush thugs.

Bev and her valiant army can't do this alone. More power and coverage is desperately needed to pursue what must be done NOW. Has anyone gotten any response from the DNC? This is such a turning point, and the suspense is killing me. They won't be able to dismiss it all as tinfoilhattery now, but there's so much more that has to be done to get the truth out. Talk about a cliffhanger!

BTW, I've emailed several blogs and Keith Olbermann (again) about this break. It's great to get Bev's post and then all the helpful supplemental info and insight in the discussion thread. Thank goodness for DU!
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Roxy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:24 AM
Response to Reply #279
280. Kick n/t
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:28 AM
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282. Let's keep this crew in our prayers and thoughts, people!
May they be safe on the highways and the flyways.
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Selteri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:29 AM
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283. Very good work,
Consider possibly letting those tapes leak to those news sources we know we can trust...


Daily Show, CBC, UK Guardian.
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chiffon Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:55 AM
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289. Thanks for all you do and are doing: Bev, Andy, and Kathleen
Most sincerely,
~chiffon
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:57 AM
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290. I hope youse guys look like Greek gods and goddesses
Because if you can prove the fraud of this alleged election, I am going to raise the money to have a statue of youse erected in our local park. It's going to be patterned after the one of the flag being raised on Imo Jima.

God Bless you. We will name our children after you.
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proudbluestater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:01 PM
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292. Thanks for all you do
Be safe.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:08 PM
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293. I have a question
IS Lana Hires a Republican? In any way connected to Bush/Cheney '04 or a Democrat? Mmmm I can guess.. I would love to know though. Because people just can't believe in this "conspiracy"...it's called faithful to the your boss I believe.

There's a reason that loyalty is the number quality that is more important than any other to Bush/Cheney.
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JaneEyrez Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:23 PM
Response to Reply #293
295. Lana Hires...
according to a local politician, is just an older woman who believes she owns the elections department. She is obstructive in every way she can be to the current supervisor. I don't know what her party affiliation is.
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BobRossi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:46 PM
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296. Volusia county.....
Great work Bev.
I just PayPal'd my first donation to blackboxvoting.org.
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Poll Ally Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:56 PM
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300. Just send a public records request via certified mail
Instead of being confrontational with underpaid, overworked government officials (I'm joking of course), just put exactly what you want in writing and send it certified mail return receipt requested. They've got 10 days to fork it over, if they don't the SoS has I think 30 days to produce it.

I learned a long time ago two strokes for every poke. When you go in accusing people of things, they aren't going to be very helpful.

If what you are saying is true I hope you count all the counties. If you find more than the normal margin of error swings in each county I'd gladly contribute to the cause. I just hope you are documenting with the video camera all the "evidence" so everyone can see with their own eyes nothing was tampered with on your end. Otherwise, the other side will just claim you tampered with the results and how would anyone know?
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #300
317. Bev, Andy and their team sent out 3,000 FOIA requests.......
.......to various counties across the country over 10 days ago. I can assure you they didn't just show up unannounced accusing people
and demanding documentation of the election on the spur of the moment. :eyes:

That said, I must add that Bev is a veteran at this who knows the law, she knows what documentation must be turned over, and when it must be turned over by. When it comes to dealing with these people she is professional and no nonsense. If you attempt to stonewall her or give her something other than what she's asked for, and is legally entitled to, watch out. You would not believe the amount of unwanted exposure she can bring upon those who fail to fully cooperate with her lawful requests.

With a single request to her 'hoards of willing minions' she can turn a politicians life inside out with hundreds or even thousands of calls, faxes, letters and e-mails an hour from people who wish to let them know that we're all watching and waiting for them to do the right thing! :)

Just sign me,
ParanoidPat,
"Willing minion #950189445, Public supplier of politicians hidden contact information and general muck raker." :evilgrin:
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Citizen Jane Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 01:13 PM
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302. Bev, Andy, Kathleen...I grew up in Volusia County
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 01:13 PM by Citizen Jane
I want to thank you for your efforts as a former DeLandite.

My Dad is a college Prof at Stetson (here's his new site where he rants about the election for anyone who is interested: http://www.agrippinaminor.com/rants /).

My Mom was heavily involved in GOTV (phoning on her cell phone while visiting me up in Georgia!) as well as a poll watcher and told me some hair-raising stories.

I know for a FACT, that they would gladly provide you all with some hospitality and friendliness in delightful DeLand. Private message me if you would like some support from them, they'd be tickled to death to help the cause.

Thanks again for all your efforts!

Citizen Jane

Edited for spelling/grammar mistakes argh!
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 01:15 PM
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303. Thanks Bev!
I'm going to scrape up a donation today. Will the MSM ever pick up on this?
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lasttrip Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 01:19 PM
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304. thanx bev. glad someone's "got our back". nt
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oc2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 01:31 PM
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306. thanks Bev! this is a start, I am glad my $50 donations is being put to
good use.

Too bad I wasted money on Kerry campaign, he is sitting on 50 million bucks right now. And not a penny to uncover the truth has he spent on this election.

Shame on Kerry.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 02:28 PM
Response to Reply #306
318. Somebody is paying those Kerry lawyers in Ohio.
I think we can guess who. ;)
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pbartch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 01:34 PM
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307. I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE THIS. How come the media has not
reported it?? This is a crime.

I sent this article to media.

rrhodes@airamericaradio.com, hardball@msnbc.com, nightly@nbc.com, MTP@NBC.com, today@nbc.com, niteline@abc.com, NETAUDR@abc.com, wnn@abcnews.com, letters@msnbc.com, 2020@abc.com, am@cnn.com, cnn@cnn.com, Colmes@foxnews.com, Evening@cbsnews.com, imus@msnbc.com, Jack.Cafferty@turner.com, jconason@observer.com, wolf@cnn.com, Joe@msnbc.com, LarryKingLive@turner.com, Lateedition@cnn.com, letters@charleskrauthammer.com, liberties@nytimes.com, LouDobbs@cnn.com, Nightly@nbc.com, Norville@msnbc.com, PeterJennings@abcnews.com, Public@nytimes.com, sidney_blumenthal@yahoo.com, Ted.Koppel@abc.com, Today@nbc.com, KOlbermann@msnbc.com, jschrag@wweek.com
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tex-wyo-dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #307
309. Might have more luck....
soliciting this information to one of the local newspapers in Volusia Co. (Daytona Beach maybe?). They would probably be more likely to pick up on the story.
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Sandra_Deaniac2 Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 03:13 PM
Response to Reply #309
321. D. Beach newspaper
They already have. Daytona Beach News-Journal reported it this morning; it is also my understanding that they sent a reporter this morning to the scene o' the crime.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:50 PM
Response to Reply #307
375. Here are some suggestions to get the foreign press on this
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ignatzmouse Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 02:02 PM
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313. Damn that's GREAT WORK!
Amen, sister! THANK GOD FOR BEV HARRIS, ANDY, KATHLEEN, AND ALL OF HER CREW!

:yourock:
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pleiku52cab Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 02:23 PM
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315. thanks to bev and her people
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 02:25 PM
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316. GO BEV GO!!!!!!!!!!
Finally, proof of fraud! Absolute, concrete, undeniable!

Sometimes luck shines on good people when they least expect it.

This is a war now - a war to take back our country.

John
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Stargazer09 Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 02:48 PM
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319. Good luck!
I'll be keeping my fingers and toes crossed that more of this is exposed.

Keep up the GREAT work! :yourock:
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 03:01 PM
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320. 24 hours after Bev's post.
Are people being arrested? Are FBI agents crawling all over the place? Are the original signed tapes and the newer tapes Bev was given both secured somewhere? Has a filing being made to contest the election, as implied?

There was a meeting this morning with all the players? What was the outcome?

Andy hinted that there is more? What and when? How does this relate to the deadline for asking for a recount?

Media exposure doesn't matter much to me at this point. I'm interested in knowing what the follow up is and who is doing it. Are we getting deeper into Volusia or is it going to disappear?
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Poll Ally Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:52 PM
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358. Same Here
Is this another one of those things that gets explained or is it a real issue. There have been so many false alarms it's tough to weed through. This seems legit, but I just find it astounding they'd be dumb enough to carelessly discard tapes.

I'm betting there is a legitimate reason, I just hope either way it gets posted.
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strangemedicine Donating Member (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 03:22 PM
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323. Rock on, Bev and co!!
:toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast:
Here's to You!
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manxkat Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 03:49 PM
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324. incredible work Bev and crew
keep up the excellent work -- you are modern day heroes
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mimitabby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 03:58 PM
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326. glad she posted here!
n/t
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Hobbes199 Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 04:04 PM
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327. Kick
Any news?
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 04:34 PM
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330. Bev, Andy, Kathleen, RedEagle, ParanoidPat, Hedda_Foil!!! YOU ROCK!
:bounce: THIS IS IT!!! :bounce:

Thank you guys SOOOOOOO MUCH for all you are doing!! I got on here late today, and saw this on the front page of DU.....forwarded it to all ......

O8) Sending MANY Prayers for your continued SUCCESS and SAFETY!! O8)

:loveya: You guys have NO IDEA how much love, respect and admiration is being sent your way!! :loveya:

Keep up the good fight!! YOU are the TRUE PATRIOTS that we will tell our grandchildren about!! I wonder if Paul Revere ever knew the likes of the bush mafia, and if that's what spurred him on, as well. We won't quit fighting until we win back our Democracy!!! And with leaders like you guys, we can go confidently into this battle!

:yourock:

:kick: :kick: :kick:

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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:10 PM
Response to Reply #330
341. Thanks Loudsue, but taking back the vote is grass roots
It's up to all the people at the grass roots level that care, that have heard the message and have responded.

Honest, auditable elections, with physical evidence of voter intent, either filled out by the voter or approved by the voter.

Thanks to ALL of YOU for caring- and following through.

Elections that any normal person in this country can audit, from step #1 to the end. Nothing that we have to take on faith or put in the hands of "experts."

Democracy belongs to the people.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 04:43 PM
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332. Brad Friedman on Pacifica Radio, 5pm PST,
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lthuedk Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:27 PM
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338. Jeb says, "hi."
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lthuedk Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:36 PM
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339. Three cartoons for Bev & crew...
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:02 PM
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334. Anyone hear Mike McCurry on the Al Frankenshow today?
He basically said that the votes are not there, they looked at all the angles and that's why Kerry conceded. They are aware of all the blogs, but that he had dinner with Kerry last night and that it's time to look towards the future. Seems in contrast to Kerry's interview in which he states that there still conting votes.
I don't get it!
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:04 PM
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335. Did anyone hear Mike Mc Curry on the Al Franken Show today?
He basically said that the votes are not there, they looked at all the angles and that's why Kerry conceded. They are aware of all the blogs, but that he had dinner with Kerry last night and that it's time to look towards the future. Seems in contrast to Kerry's interview in which he states that they're still counting votes.
I don't get it!
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Poll Ally Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:45 PM
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353. EVERYTHING in Boston says it's over...radio, paper, tv
I heard Mike McCurry today, excellent PR guy. The insiders on talk radio here in Boston and Providence, the real hard core democrats really are scoffing at the blogs. It isn't because they don't think there are some votes to be found, but the recurring theme is "wake up" and realize the election process has never been, will never be, and wasn't this time, anywhere near perfect.

They are talking a lot about 2008 here, and Kerry was all over every Boston station last night and today. When asked about the recounts etc he's said the same thing. One reporter even ran the numbers in saying there are 155k votes in Ohio, even if 90% are counted and 8 out of 10 go to Kerry he still loses by 1-2%

Everybody is focusing on the 155k. Again, not to throw cold water on it but:

155,000 votes, let's same 10% more are counted this time than in 2000...90%

139,500 new votes total.

John Kerry gets 80%...which is way more than he probably will based on the counties counts. 111,600 new Kerry votes and 27,900 new Bush votes. That's still 40K plus, 1% or so. This is basically the party line in Boston, it ain't going to happen. Change the provisionals to 80% total accepted and it's closer to 2% for Bush...it just can't change the vote enough.

I posted it over and over again but nobody listens. It's been widely reported in the Boston media, including the liberal rag the Boston Globe, that Kerry equaled or exceeded their BEST case number of votes in Ohio. Unlike Florida in 2000, there aren't votes out there that they thought they had. They got what they had dreamed of, the other guys just turned out more.

I hear what people are saying and look forward to the recount, but nobody is paying any attention to the fact that here in Massachusetts Bush did 5% better in 2004 than in 2000. That's with Kerry being a 20 year Senator here....says a lot IMO.

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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:59 PM
Response to Reply #353
365. 'Politics as usual' -- nope. It's stealing people's votes.
Politics as usual, every election has problems. Let's keep the status quo (so we can take advantage of it).

The people are rising. Now we want our votes to count. No more "politics as usual."

No compromise. Clean up elections, on both sides.


Bev
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Poll Ally Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:40 PM
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370. Maybe So...
I have to say I'm very glad to see your last comment..."clean up elections, on both sides." What may have happened in Florida may have happened in PA, WI etc. It's a problem nationally that elections are run with less scrutiny than Sunday afternoon bingo!

Bev I'm just trying to put this in perspective. I agree the system should be better, but consider these numbers which are publicly available:

In 2000 after painstaking recounts:
Volusia in 2000 had originally 179,277 votes. After a deliberate hand recount they had 179,661 votes...the net error was .214%
Pinellas had more lost votes in number, but in percentage it was less.

The general theme in Florida and in other states that have done recounts is about an error rate of .15%. If that happened in Florida in 04 you are going to find about 20k votes across the State. It doesn't mean anyone cheated, it just means the FEC guidelines of 1 error in 500,000 is a total and utter joke. It doesn't surprise me that you may well have found a few hundred lost votes, but as sad as it is it's typical.

Good luck in your searches. I applaud your efforts and hope that the energy being expended doesn't diminish once everyone is comfortable with the results. With a lot of effort maybe by 2012 we can have an election system that counts every vote, everywhere.
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Poll Ally Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:47 PM
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373. Kerry money story
I should have mentioned the 11pm WBZ/CBS news up here ran the Kerry money story at the top of the hour. It was one of the lead stories where they basically make it out that there is some dissent in the party, and disgust that he left money that could have won the election in the bank. The general theme is they will find a way to make him fork it over so he's not starting off with a 15 million war chest over hillary et al in 08.

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chathamdem in NC Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:09 PM
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336. Optiscan tapes maybe?
Optical scanner machines produce a long tape like cash register. The precinct judges are supposed to run a tape before opening polls, and that tape is supposed to show zero votes in all races, to demonstrate that no cheater votes have been retallied.

Then after polls are closed, the tape is run again, and this result may be called in to county HQ. This is if counting is done at precinct, as it in my county here in NC. However, here they do not call in the result until the ballot box is opened and the rejected ballots are counted by hand and added to the total.

The absentee ballots are counted at the elections office and added in separate column, so separate tape for that.

This year, because of early voting, the totals for early votes were reported to public at same time as absentee (middle of night Nov.2/3?) and put in same column. However, not clear how many tapes this would generate. Probably 5 as we had 4 early voting sites, one machine at each, though it could have been that the ballot box part was replaced, I don't know.

I digress.

Anyway here the handcounted votes are I believe then added to the count and the whole reported.

In any event, these are the tapes that are signed, by the precinct judges and if there are extra signatures on the Volusia ones maybe these are signed as received....

It does appear that in Ohio, however, the so-called spoiled ballots are not examined or counted.
(See Greg Palast's article "Kerry Won" supposedly 92,000 plus but if they don't examine them, how know how many? (This could be info obtainable from the counter on the machine or number of voters, I really don't know.

Optiscan machines have to programmed to read the particular ballot, so gaming them is theoretically possible I guess, though it's just as easy to do it non-electronically given the secrecy of our vote counting.

But the bottom line is this, all the generated paper should have been retained, and explained.

Message to Bev Harris, don't forget to demand to look at the voter books too.


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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:38 PM
Response to Reply #336
343. Volusia-gate?
My first impression of this -- obvious criminal behaviour on the part of Volusia county elections official. I'm thinking of something that's potentially damaging to the Bush admin, like Watergate was to Nixon, "the shit has hit the fan", to use John Dean's expression.

Now it's going to be deniability and CYA and perhaps even outright perversions of the judicial system, a system that is slowing being permeated with the Republican rightwing. Remember it was the Republican-dominated US Supreme Court that decided the outcome of the 2000 election.

And how will the corporate media choose to downplay this? Ignore it as a trivial matter?!!!

When I first read this, I immediately came out of my depression from yesterday, after reading of the Iraqi POW execution by the Marines in Fallujah. Although I am not yet proud to be an American, Bev Harris is starting to help me see the light at the end of that large, dark tunnel of the Bush fascist dictatorship. I hope it all caves in and falls apart on them ASAP.

You can be confident by the actions of these thoroughly corrupt officials in Daytona that it is really the TIP OF THE ICEBERG. The Republicans will be calling in a secret army of seach-and-destroy goons to work on fixing this problem.

God, I hope this thing will snowball like Watergate.
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Lil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:25 PM
Response to Reply #336
349. Your explanation of the optical scan records was very helpful. Thanks!
I posted it here also. (I hope that's ok) :-)

http://tabletalk.salon.com/webx?14@@.773a527b/271

thread on Salon TableTable talk "THE MACHINES CHANGED EVERYTHING"

Lil
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:04 PM
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340. I rejoice at this find and thank Bev for her work
but while reading the whole item I couldn't help feeling extremely saddened that so many people in positions of authority could be so willing to destroy democracy. Without a fair vote we are not a democracy anymore than the USSR was one because they had elections every year. I cry for us.
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:29 PM
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342. Bev, I hope to god you start a widescale movement
of voter-verification activists nationwide. We need people doing this at every polling place - not to benefit any one political party or agenda, but to make sure that EVERY VOTE IS COUNTED, CORRECTLY.

Bless you for what you're doing. It's sadly overdue.
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Ferretherder Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:41 PM
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344. I can only say,...
...'Thank you, Bev Harris, from the BOTTOM OF MY HEART!!!!'

...and a hardy 'You go, Girl' to boot!
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:42 PM
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345. Many Thanks
This really lifts my day. Thanks so much for all your hard work!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 07:27 PM
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347. When/Where should we look for an update...
....on this important work you are all doing?

Thank you.
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EricBobrow Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:05 PM
Response to Reply #347
367. Bev Harris interview on Thom Hartmann show today
Bev Harris was interviewed on the Thom Hartmann radio show today. Someone at blackboxvoting.org posted a note and the link for the mp3 file for the show so everyone could hear it.

I copy here the original note and links here for easy reference. You can visit the bbv board and see the full thread:
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/dcforum/DCForumID4122/36....
It is item 21 on the page.

Although Bev doesn't share much new since her original posting from yesterday, it was reassuring to hear her voice and how she described the sequence of events, and how BBV intends to search for evidence of fraud.

Original post follows:
----------

i've listened to an hour of the show just now (it's 3 hours total) and some key points that you might want to listen to:
00:08:00 minutes - Thom Hartmann talks about Bev Harris; he's trying to get her on the phone.

00:57:30 minutes - Could Bush be tried for criminal charges in Canada? Not exactly sure, but it sure would be hilarious if the Canadians threw his butt in jail for putting America in an illegal war and invading Iraq illegally!

01:08:20 minutes - Thom gets Bev on the phone! woohoo! you all should listen.
<This is about 1/3 of the way through the mp3 file, you can drag your slider to find it. She is on for 13 minutes. To navigate easily to the start point, you can listen to it in iTunes Mac or Windows where you will see the exact time displayed. The interview ends at 1:21:43.>

download the file here:

Thom Hartmann Interview with Bev Harris

enjoy everybody!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 12:23 AM
Response to Reply #367
383. Thank you (n/t)
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:49 PM
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354. Good grief!
It's so hard to believe that something like this, and worse, is actually happening in the United States!

What would we do without your tireless efforts to bring democracy back to our country, Bev. I never thought that we would ever be in the position to have to fight to have our votes counted. It's unreal.

This is something that we have taken for granted for so long and when criminal tampering with OUR votes happens it makes me so mad I could rip their throats out.

Damn. We've got to get these Republican bastards.
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Protect The Vote Donating Member (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 08:52 PM
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357. New slogans for Diebold and ES&S
The companies Diebold and ES&S exert too much control over the American election process. One of Diebolds slogans is We wont rest. One of ES&Ss slogans is Experience. Reliability. Security. Innovation.

I think those slogans are getting stale and propose the following alternatives. I will provide them gratis to either of the Urosevich brothers (Bob at Diebold, or Todd at ES&S).

We wont rest. Until Bush wins.

We wont rest. Until Democracy cries Uncle!

Security. Traceability. Transparency. Democracy. Non-partisan. These are some of the values we find reprehensible.

We report. We decide. You can suck it.

Relax and leave the counting to us.

One persons poorly designed, poorly written, non-verifiable, easily hacked, easily manipulated vote counting software is another corrupt election officials GEMS.

Paper? We dont need no stinkin paper!

All your votes are belong to us.

Choose AND Lose.

Fuck The Vote!

Clean elections are for wussies!

Dedicated to delivering Ohios electoral votes to President Bush. Wait a minute, thats not a slogan. Thats what Diebolds CEO Wally ODell actually said!

Staunchly partisan defenders of democracy.

Audit trails are so 20th Century!

Mandates R Us.

May we guard the henhouse?

Dieboldocracy has a nice ring to it.

Privatizing the election process. Hey, its working great for the military!

The election is over, the only thing left is the counting, and well take care of the counting. Wait a minute, thats not a slogan. Thats what Republican Peter King said at the 2003 White House Bar-B-Q/Election Sance.

One for Kerry. Two for Bush. One for Kerry. Three for Bush.

Were on a mission from God.

Helping Select the Will of the People.

You want a receipt? Well, let meWhats that over there? Is that two guys kissing?!

Sorry if its too long. Im new to DU and I had something to get off my chest. I don't know how to start a new thread.

PTV




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RubyCat Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:13 PM
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360. Bev Harris is a saint
I've read some of her other posts here and on blackboxvoting.org, and my only recommendation is to cut down on the "swashbuckling" prose. An over-the-top writing style only contributes to us being marginalized as conspiracy wackos.





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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:37 PM
Response to Reply #360
363. Do you often critique saints?
Until you have done as much work as this woman has, STFU.
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RubyCat Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #363
377. No one is above criticism.
Including, you, me, and Bev Harris. I salute Bev for her wonderful work. I believe she will be one of the heroes that saves our democracy. But if the law of the land is to not criticize a fellow democrat, progressive, or other, then I'm afraid it's not much of a democracy we're fighting for...

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IceOwl Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:26 PM
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361. votergate.tv?
Every time I've seen this URL pop up, I've tried to visit it, and every time, I couldn't access it because the name doesn't resolve. What's up with this?
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GregD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:33 PM
Response to Reply #361
369. http://www.votergate.tv/
works fine here
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Poll Ally Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:52 PM
Response to Original message
364. Kerry left 15 million unspent in a tight election?
Anyone see this story today? Boston talking heads are all over it tonight. I guess it's causing quite a stink because some believe if he'd spent the money he could have won. Nobody knows why he either didn't spend it, or didn't give it to down ballot objectives.

You know, we can go round and round on the ballot and tape situation, but the more you read stories like this, the more aggravating it is. All these people worked all these hours and raised record amounts of money and apparently JK decided he wanted a nest egg...for 08. It looks and reads more and more to many in the democratic party that Kerry was his own worst enemy.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/2004-11-...
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:04 PM
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366. Good on you guys! Here's to hope. nt
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selmo7 Donating Member (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 10:49 PM
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374. Better than Nancy Drew!
listening to Hedda tell story on Mike Malloy show now.

I'm so grateful for you wonderful WOMEN!
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:48 PM
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380. Letter to Mr. Blackwell
Marsha V. Hammond, PhD: Licensed Psychologist: GA & NC
e mail: hammondmv@netzero.com


November 18, 2004



Mr. Blackwell: what was going today in Volusia county (OH), when there is a FOIA document to cause you to turn over the records?

Here is the BOE results:

http://www.volusia.org/elections/110204results.htm


Registered Voters: 309,930
Absentee Votes: 43,750 (15%)
Unscanned: 19
Provisional: 621
Early Voting: 40,077 (12%)
Total Votes: 228,839 (73.8%) <- Pretty high turnout

How they voted:

Absentee: 24,780 (56.6%) Bush , 18,672 (42%) Kerry
Early Voting: 15,819 (39.4%) Bush, 24,064 (60%) Kerry Why are there such huge discrepancies here?
Total County: 111,859 (48.8%) Bush, 115,484 (50.47%) Kerry

Precinct 215 Results:
Registered Voters: 2364
Votes Cast: 880 (37%)
Results: 520 (59.1%) Bush, 351 (39.9%) Kerry



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

And then this from Bev Harris report (Blackboxvoting):

".....By now, a county lawyer had appeared on the scene, suddenly threatening to charge us extra for the time we took looking at the real stuff they had withheld from us in our FOIA. Other lawyers appeared, phoned, people had meetings, Lana glowered at everyone, and someone shut the door in the office holding the GEMS server.

Andy then went to get the GEMS server locked down. He also got the memory cards locked down and secured, much to the dismay of Lana. They were scattered around unsecured in any way before that.

We then all agreed to convene tomorrow morning, to further audit, discuss the hand count that Black Box Voting will require of Volusia County, and of course, it is time to talk about contesting the election in Volusia.

Bev Harris
Executive Director
Black Box Voting"

Why was the GEMS Diebold server being held hostage when all we seek to understand is what the vote was, Mr. Blackwell? Please advise: the country wants to know.

I would not be so concerned except the fate of the country is bound together, each state to the other. This is a UNION of states, Mr. Blackwell.


Sincerely,

Marsha V. Hammond, PhD


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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 02:57 AM
Response to Reply #380
385. Oops, I hope you haven't sent that letter.
Ken Blackwell is the Secretary of State of Ohio.

Volusia County is in Florida. The Secretary of State there is Glenda Hood.
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Protect The Vote Donating Member (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 09:16 AM
Response to Reply #385
388. Glenda the *bad* witch
personally appointed by Jeb.

That's appointing the fox to guard the henhouse.
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moggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 02:18 AM
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384. Is this it?
We've all seen a lot of stories which may or may not point to fraud, but in this case there's really no doubt, is there? Tell me, why aren't people already under arrest because of this?
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DawnneOBTS Donating Member (374 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 09:50 AM
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390. A Message from call center volunteers and poll watchers, Precinct 603
Hi...this is Dawnne and Carol Howarth. We volunteered at call center (my mother Carol more than me-she had a lot more time) and were both poll watchers for Precinct 603 (Precinct 530 was also located at Highlands Presbyterian Church, Daytona Beach along with 603). I just have to say a few things...first, I want to thank two very good people, T.O., who was the poll clerk and also did a lot of great volunteer work/canvassing, and LaWana, a poll worker who made both me and my mother feel welcome (I did the 6AM-1:30PM shift and she came in to relieve me). Bob and Steve, our lawyers, were fantastic too. I'd love to talk to anybody who we had the pleasure of working with-we miss you all. Now for the observations/reasons why John Kerry's margin in this county had to be higher than the reported 51% to W's 49%, and also some other not-so-pleasant observations that we made that day.
We had the misfortune of having a Republican poll watcher at #603. First of all, he set himself up on top of the provisional ballot box, and I mean this literally. Second, he was handling spoiled ballots with a poll worker fully aware of this, and she said nothing. This poll worker appeared to be acquainted with him. They had repeated, whispered conversations throughout the day. Something was not right here, and I both took notes on all of this, which I still have, and also reported it to the desk (at headquarters). Another bad observation that I made was this-the alarming number of people coming in, African-American, who had requested absentee ballots and never got them. They did get to vote, with a regular ballot, but HOW ABOUT ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO REQUESTED ABSENTEE BALLOTS WHO DID NOT GET THEM AND WHO WERE UNABLE TO COME TO VOTE FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER, e.g., illness/confinement? Nobody out there can tell me that this was not an example of racial profiling. I'm sure the lovely and talented Deanie Lowe could make a decision to who she wanted to send ballots to. It's inevitable. At the cal center, we were encouraging people to use absentee ballots, so that their vote would be counted. Well, not getting an absentee ballot when one was requested or the failure to count absentee ballots which seems widespread seemed like it cheated people. And then with early voting-how do we know if those votes were counted. Come on, this is a Democratic county, I am proud to say and am happy to live here, but because of that, we know that this would be a powerful area in the Republican mind to "rip off." I haven't slept well these past two weeks at all. In both precincts were located at the church where we were, John Kerry won. In #603, he won with about 80% of the vote. In #530 he won by between 50-60%. We all see the new events taking place that were "planned" for right after the election, e.g., Fallujah. Everything that is happening is a distraction so there is no investigation. Thank you, Bev, for caring also, and standing up for what is right. Never doubt, please, never, that there is no such thing as racially profiling and discriminating. It is alive and well, I am sad to say. When I lived in New Jersey, my neighbors on one side were African-American, and on the other were Jewish (the property taxes there were just too damn expensive at 4K+ a year). Most people in NJ know what it is to live alongside others of diverse backgrounds, most-I am not saying all. The state of Florida really needs some lessons in acceptance and how to get along with others. This "rebel" mentality has got to go, all of this hate that makes people vote for dictators like W, who says that they can have assault weapons if they want. Maybe then these things wouldn't happen. The funny thing is that when my mother and I were in the bar on Beach St. in DB, watching the results come in, I was so so so afraid that John Kerry would lose New Jersey (my home state) since the Jim Mc Greevey scandal (he resigned on the 15th from the governorship-he was a nice man but he had way too many problems to be governor at all), and I felt such a great relief when it showed that NJ went Democratic. I was positive that Florida would also. I didn't have a doubt in my mind. This just couldn't have happened. It just doesn't make sense.
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 10:21 AM
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392. Kick
:kick:
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 12:26 PM
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393. kick again
:kick:
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 10:48 AM
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394. Friday KICK
:kick:
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SittingInTheMiddle Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #394
395. And one more for Jenny and the wimp...
Just an obscure reference for a kick. ;)

What's going on with this today? No news is...eery.
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 06:49 PM
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396. Good work, Bev.....
Keep at it.
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bagimin Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 09:00 PM
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398. Kick
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401. kick n/t
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