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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 01:54 PM
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Something that scares the hell out of me. How can we stop it ?

We are ruled by an administration that does not believe in the theory of unforseen consequences.But there is an unforseen consequence that little has been said about.

We have, with impunity (at least from outside), attacked the soveriegn nation of Iraq and occupied it, destroying entire cities and an untold but horrific number of civilians.

Until this election america was disliked, even hated, but it was bush who took the blame, not americans as individuals. Most of the world can't believe that the nation that represents itself as the model for democracy would allow itself the position wherein elections could be gamed to the point that the real numbers don't matter. So they think that the numbers were real and we really did reelect *.

Now they blame the idividual american for putting him back in the position to kill and maime civilians and continue his unwarranted invasions of soveriegn nations.

What I am truly concerned about is that this turn of events will come back to bite individual americans in the ass, and we will not be prepared in any way.

It occurs to me that the next attack on the US will not be the kind of hi tech, well coordinated massive event our gov't tries to blame on OBL. No, I think it will be many small attacks targetting people, not buildings. Imagine the terror they could spread just by eight or ten of them walking into a mall and throwing grenades into every store they passed, or simply opening up with AKs on all the shoppers.

This is the kind of thing that small cells could perpetrate with little more than a whim for planning, and almost nothing for equipment, other than a visit to the local gun shop. Hell, most everyone in this country has guns anyway, right.

Our nation has allowed itself to be in the position that the engine of the economy is the consumer buying everything the commercials convince him he must have or he's unacceptable to society. Imagine the destruction to the economy if no one went to a mall anymore because a mall in another state was attacked by terraists. How many attacks would it take before EVERYONE was too terrified to shop, and how long would it take for the economy to tank?

Now they blame us, not US. Meanwhile, our insane gov't is still working on what I consider the less likely schenario, one of nueclear devestation. And no one is talking about the small devestation of people dead and wounded all over the country. Of course the mushroom cloud gets more press than the lone nut or nuts with an AK, but what happens when that lone nut is a squad of them in NY, a squad in Houston, a squad in orlando? Oh, we'll be terrified then I think.

Let me hear your thoughts on this. Am I just having a nightmare, or does anyone think it possible?

And how do you fight this?
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 01:59 PM
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1. I understand your concern, but there are no guarantees in life...

Remember that sniper in D.C.? That basically paralyzed a city for a month, and it was basically two homeless guys with a car and a rifle. There is no absolute security, no matter how much freedom you surrender to get it.

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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 02:00 PM
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2. OBL likes to think BIG. The thugs in charge will not allow anything
to interfere with their cash flow. A real terrorist would attack real economic targets (Like Key Bridges, DAMS, Communication). Don't forget the terrorists we have to fear are in the NeoCon group. Fear the Radical Right.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 02:03 PM
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3. Well, maybe more than ever we need to prove fraud in the election.
Even if we can't dethrone our Pope George, at least the rest of the world will know that the majority of Americans didn't sanction his administration.
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 02:13 PM
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7. there ya go. That's the key
WE didn't elect that scumbag after all.

We need to let the world know that.

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 02:09 PM
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4. The Israelis have been attacked in markets for years.
They still shop.

You really underestimate the need for normalcy. Not a New Yorker? We went down into the subways even though we were scared of every package.
It took a long time before I didn't flinch from anything flying overhead. But I still went outside.

Terrorists strike? Big fucking deal. We pick up and go on. Nightmares and all.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 02:10 PM
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5. By doing what you are doing Reprobate. Talking about it.
Your concerns are valid.

Your points are insightful and show your concern and care like so many of us feel. We need to continue to talk about it, call our representatives and Senators and air our concerns, which are based upon a consistent pattern of behavior engaged in by this Administration.

I think its important and helpful to write the media outlets, and journalists and tell them what we are observing. Im sure many of them feel it as well.

We have seen increasing evidence of people involved in this Administration who are closely tied to so many destructive acts. Not to mention their promotion of fear and division has been a constant repetitive beating on the drum. Now we have the increasing OBL drum again. What are Americans to think? Americans have to become brave enough to demand the truth from an untruthful Administration.

What you are doing is what every American should be doing.

Thank you for posting.
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Comadreja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 02:11 PM
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6. They're already blaming us all
Who Are The “Barbarians”?

By Ghali Hassan

11/10/04 "ICH" -- A US army chaplain by the name of Horne told US marines massing outside Fallujah, “go bring the Iraqis freedom from oppression, rape, torture and murder ... We ask you God to bless us in that effort”. It seems chaplain Horne has forgotten that oppression, rape, torture and mass murder of innocent men, women and children his US government have wrought on the people of Iraq. How can Americans forget Abu Ghraib, and the more than 100,000 Iraqi civilian lives lost since last year's invasion? This massive atrocity is not included the massacre of Fallujah.

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What have the Iraqi people done to the Americans and their “allies”? Iraqis have been at the receiving end of perpetuated Western violence for decades.

One of the reasons Americans voted for George Bush despite the terror and systematic violence he has wrought to the Iraqi people, because he is a better killer and Americans support their government’s violence against defenceless people. Why they don’t question what their government is doing in their name? Where is the moral “voice of America” that should cry against these atrocities? While Christian leaders moralise about gay marriage and lobbying for the “right to life”, and depriving women of their choice, mass graves of innocent Iraqi women and children are planned.

The barbarians are massing on the gates of Fallujah seeking to obliterate the people and their civil society. Destroying and occupying the city of Fallujah will have no bearing on the Iraqi Resistance to US Occupation of Iraq. It will generate unity among the people and fuel more resistance against the Occupation.


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